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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:01 pm

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    Real deal. From the 80´s or so.

    I'll meet your fishing-line grenade, with my bayonet grenade. Wink
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:24 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    I'll meet your fishing-line grenade, with my bayonet grenade. Wink
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    What could possible be the point of this?
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:43 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    I'll meet your fishing-line grenade, with my bayonet grenade. Wink
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    What could possible be the point of this?

    Silent kill achievement Cool
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:58 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:
    What could possible be the point of this?

    What's the point? The bayonet obviously. Wink
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:08 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Silent kill achievement Cool

    So is it one of the gas containment based silent weapons like those silencerless silent pistols with a captive piston in the cartridge, this thing possibly storing the pressurised gas in the "grenade"?

    But why a knife blade and not a dart?
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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:35 am

    Because it is assholes using software to create bullshit.

    The Soviets had silent grenade launchers... ironically the only firearm launched bayonettes I ever heard of was the SA80 which had an over the muzzle bayonette design that sometimes had problems with its catch and was launched from the weapon when the weapon was fired.


    This is a 30mm grenade launcher with a silenced cartridge that launches the grenade... a bit like their silent 82mm mortar.

    https://modernfirearms.net/en/grenade-launchers/russia-grenade-launchers/bs-1-tishina-eng/

    It replaced the earlier Device D 30mm grenade launcher based on a single shot pistol with a suppressed firing cartridge:

    https://modernfirearms.net/en/grenade-launchers/russia-grenade-launchers/izdelie-d-eng/

    This was replaced by the Device DM which has a five shot magazine of propelling rounds but the muzzle loaded 30mm grenade is the same... so you loaded the projecting charge using the bolt action, then muzzle load the 30mm grenade... pull the trigger to launch the grenade silently then operate the bolt to reload a new propelling charge and then muzzle load a fresh grenade to fire.

    https://modernfirearms.net/en/grenade-launchers/russia-grenade-launchers/izdelie-dm-eng/

    Will likely move the fishing rod and bayonette grenade launcher posts to the talking bollocks thread... likely created by westerners jealous that the Soviet underbarrel grenade system is superior to the US piece of crap M203 in almost every regard.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:44 am

    7.62x39mm 6P68 KORD Assault Rifle at the 1:42 mark.

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:29 pm

    AKV-521 under the cartridge .366 TCM

    Any citizen of the Russian Federation can buy it without 5 years of experience in the possession of weapons-it is enough to pass the standard licensing procedure.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:54 am

    So after 5 years you could buy a normal rifle upper in a normal rifle calibre with a fully rifled barrel that is a fully functional rifle.

    Do they have the weapon in a shotgun calibre... like a 410 calibre shotgun calibre?

    Not that we could have anything like that here now.... cry
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    Post  calripson Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:23 pm

    GarryB wrote:So after 5 years you could buy a normal rifle upper in a normal rifle calibre with a fully rifled barrel that is a fully functional rifle.

    Do they have the weapon in a shotgun calibre... like a 410 calibre shotgun calibre?

    Not that we could have anything like that here now....   cry

    You can legally own a fully automatic .50 caliber machine gun in 41 states if you have the money.
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    Post  kvs Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:58 pm

    calripson wrote:
    GarryB wrote:So after 5 years you could buy a normal rifle upper in a normal rifle calibre with a fully rifled barrel that is a fully functional rifle.

    Do they have the weapon in a shotgun calibre... like a 410 calibre shotgun calibre?

    Not that we could have anything like that here now....   cry

    You can legally own a fully automatic .50 caliber machine gun in 41 states if you have the money.

    The new D. Party order will fix that soon.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:13 am

    They used to advertise cheap Chinese AKs and M14 knockoffs in farming magazines in the 1980s... but every once in a while some dickhead does something stupid with a gun and they just tighten the laws.

    No amount if changing the laws has stopped such idiots, and no amount will... to run amok is an old Malayan word that means to go crazy and to run through the village... normally your own and kill people at random... usually with a knife because the word is thousands of years old and predates firearms.

    The news media always used to call them run amok killers but then they stopped when they realise the origins suggest that even a total ban on guns wont stop it... guns are used because they are easy, but cars and trucks and bombs and just fire or poison could all be effectively used to get "a good total".

    What they need to do is create a computer game set in some country in the future where guns are largely banned like the US of A and have monsters or aliens killing the general population and the people playing the game can't use guns because guns are bad...

    Funny that the road death toll never results in demands for banning cars or special licences to drive where only professionals are allow to drive a car... I mean you need a very comprehensive licence procedure for a plane, but for a boat or a car it is easy.

    Recently a family was coming back in to shore near where I live and there is a sand bar that is rather dangerous at certain tide levels, and the guy tried to use speed to get over it... flipped the boat. Two of his three children died... no one demanded licences for owning and operating a boat... no one suggested boats should be banned... if you choose to use it as a weapon anything can be such a thing.
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    Post  calripson Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:17 pm

    kvs wrote:
    calripson wrote:
    GarryB wrote:So after 5 years you could buy a normal rifle upper in a normal rifle calibre with a fully rifled barrel that is a fully functional rifle.

    Do they have the weapon in a shotgun calibre... like a 410 calibre shotgun calibre?

    Not that we could have anything like that here now....   cry

    You can legally own a fully automatic .50 caliber machine gun in 41 states if you have the money.

    The new D. Party order will fix that soon.


    Actually, they never really address Class III weapons. Probably that is because there has only been 1 murder committed with a registered machine gun in America since 1933 and that was by a cop in Ohio. I was also told back in 1994 with the original assault weapons ban that Senator Schumer used to go to a gun range to fire full auto machine guns for fun. Seems there is a different standard for the peasants than for the leaders.

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    Post  George1 Wed Jun 02, 2021 4:24 pm

    Russia will supply abroad a batch of 9-mm small-sized machine guns SR-3M "Whirlwind"

    https://en.topwar.ru/183439-rossija-postavit-za-rubezh-partiju-9-mm-malogabaritnyh-avtomatov-sr-3m-vihr.html

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:00 pm

    AEK-971 submachine gun with upgraded magazine and installed display unit for counting remaining ammunition. 
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:35 am

    PhSt wrote:

    Just watched this again and noticed something rather interesting.

    If you go into the settings you can slow down the replay speed... to the lowest speed of 0.25 and slow it down as far as possible and watch the round penetrating the ballistics gel at about the 3rd and 4th second into the video there is a flash of light and later on where the flash of light appeared inside the gel along the path of the penetrating bullet the gel looks black and scorched...

    AEK-971 submachine gun with upgraded magazine and installed display unit for counting remaining ammunition.

    Interesting... Sotnik? (Ratnik III)?

    I would think it would eventually become a wireless thing projecting remaining ammo in your visor...
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:11 am

    No, AEK-971 it's a competitor to the AK-74. The modified version of the AEK-971 is called the A-545 and is supplied in small quantities to special forces. This submachine gun has a balanced automation, so it is more accurate than the AK-12, but has less reliability
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:19 am

    Their supersoldier programmes are not linked to any one rifle maker.

    The balanced recoil design improves accuracy for burst and full auto fire but often makes little difference with single aimed shots normally.

    Kalashnikov has the AK-107 with that sort of balanced recoil system but think it is too complicated to be useful in a standard general issue weapon.

    The ancestor of the AEK from Kovrov competed with the AK-74 in the 1970s and lost, and competed again in the 1990s and lost to the An-94 system too.

    Personally I like the bullpup ADS the best, but have not had the chance to fire any of them... Sad

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:13 am

    In my opinion, one of the most unusual Russian submachine guns is the ASH-12. This is a melee assault rifle with a huge caliber bullet (12, 7x55 mm)
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:37 am

    When 9x39mm is not enough.... Smile

    Very cool.

    I wonder if they are going to keep using the 9x39mm AS and VSS or updated equivalents or if they will switch to this calibre for recon troops?

    The performance of the 9x39mm seems to be rather good for what it is, perhaps only change it for some ops where the extra performance is needed.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:36 am

    GarryB wrote:When 9x39mm is not enough.... Smile

    Very cool.

    I wonder if they are going to keep using the 9x39mm AS and VSS or updated equivalents or if they will switch to this calibre for recon troops?

    The performance of the 9x39mm seems to be rather good for what it is, perhaps only change it for some ops where the extra performance is needed.

    This stuff is for CT teams and such storming fortified buildings, when they know they'll have to punch through some armored terrorists, walls and so on

    It's a niche weapon that won't be used often, there's no question of replacing the VSS or such with it.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:47 pm


    Yeah

    This one for dealing with assholes who remembered to put on kevlar before getting high on meth

    Specific conditions required
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:36 am

    Probably effective on white helmets too though... Smile

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