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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:38 pm

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201801081060595102-russia-drone-attack-hmeimim/

    Massive drone attack stoped. Russia EW systems took control of 6 drones while Pantsirs destroyed 7 of them.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:18 pm

    Isos wrote:https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201801081060595102-russia-drone-attack-hmeimim/

    Massive drone attack stoped. Russia EW systems took control of 6 drones while Pantsirs destroyed 7 of them.

    Wonder which one they are thinking of? In the area of across the seas.
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    Russian defense Ministry said, the engineering solutions used to attack Hmeymim and Tartus could be obtained by the Syrian rebels "only from one country with high technological capability"

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:13 pm

    Russia says the US was behind those drone attacks in Russian base.

    So the US killed two Russian soldiers in Syria.

    Will there be a retaliation?

    No.
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    Post  LaVictoireEstLaVie Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:05 am

    In face of continued US aggression and provocations in the Middle East, Europe and elsewhere, what will Russia and the rest of the world do to confront this aggressor ?

    Will they sit idly by and let the US continue to do what it wants without consequences or will Russia and its allies finally act to confront , oppose, defy and necessarily defeat the aggressor?
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:34 am

    LaVictoireEstLaVie wrote:In face of continued US aggression and provocations in the Middle East, Europe and elsewhere, what will Russia and the rest of the world do to confront this aggressor ?

    Will they sit idly by and let the US continue to do what it wants without consequences or will Russia and its allies finally act to confront , oppose, defy and necessarily defeat the aggressor?
    Hello, welcome to this thread, interesting is your lack of posts since you have been on the site and your lack of introduction in the Welcome thread as per Forum rules.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:36 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Russia says the US was behind those drone attacks in Russian base.

    So the US killed two Russian soldiers in Syria.

    Will there be a retaliation?

    No.
    Perhaps you could give us a source for that claim. Actually a couple of claims there.

    Have you activated another alias?
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:55 am

    LaVictoireEstLaVie wrote:In face of continued US aggression and provocations in the Middle East, Europe and elsewhere, what will Russia and the rest of the world do to confront this aggressor ?

    Will they sit idly by and let the US continue to do what it wants without consequences or will Russia and its allies finally act to confront , oppose, defy and necessarily defeat the aggressor?

    Russia will do smart thing and will look after their own interests and security and let Middle East, Europe and rest of the world look after themselves.

    If someone has issues with USA aggression then they should deal with it themselves.

    Russia has it's own stuff to do, days of USSR charity services are long gone, not that anyone ever shown any gratitude for it... (And why should they? Sheep are meant to be sheared)
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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:09 am

    Probe the defenses with different approaches until you find a weakness you can exploit repetitively and make life hell + increase the cost. It's a no brainier. Not to mention great info for foreign eyes on a technical/tactical aspect. Thus when such interest intersect, cooperation is well, mutually beneficial and should be pursued....thus we have what we see.
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    Post  Isos Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:26 pm

    https://twitter.com/123_Skandinavia/status/948944828888383489

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    Su-24 damaged by mortar fire some weeks ago.
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:33 pm

    Old news. Plus it was "supposed" with no further proof either.
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    Post  Isos Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:44 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Old news. Plus it was "supposed" with no further proof either.


    Just saw it now. Didn't know you talked about it on the forum. Picture look like real however.
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    Post  ZoA Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:29 pm

    IMHO that does not look like mortar fire damage to me at all. Direct mortar hit even with 82 mm would do far more damage then seen in the picture, and indirect hit would look as large number of shrapnel holes. Pictures show only one apparently very small hole.

    Honesty I think horizontal stabiliser is some sort of collision damage, while hole in the side could be either small arms fire damage or stray fragment damage. In both cases they seem completely repairable. So far it seems original report of 7 aircraft destroyed is complete fiction. At worst it looks like 2 planes damaged, one in collision and one form fragments, and that's assuming those are picture are from Syria, not some random post soviet damaged equipment that could have happened anywhere during long service of Su-24.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:51 am

    Russia says the US was behind those drone attacks in Russian base.

    So the US killed two Russian soldiers in Syria.

    And how many Americans have been killed in Syria by Russian attacks or Russian supported attacks by Syrian forces?

    If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen...
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    Post  Cyberspec Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:32 am

    From the Syria War thread

    ATLASCUB wrote:More on the airbase attack by Putin:

    https://www.rt.com/news/415641-putin-syria-base-attack-turkey/

    Militant UAV's that Attacked the Khmeimim Air Base / Hmeimim Air Base have been transferred to #Moscow #Russia
    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/951638233196236800

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    Post  calm Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:08 am

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:15 pm

    '
    And their 15 seconds of fame are up...

    Russian MoD: Militant Group That Attacked Base in Syria Liquidated (VIDEOS)


    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201801121060708674-russia-base-attackers-destroyed-drones/

    ........."During the final stage of the operation, a group of Russian Special Operations Forces established the location of the subversive group of militants near the western border of the Idlib province. Upon the terrorists' arrival at the facility where they were preparing to board to a minibus, the entire sabotage group was destroyed by a Krasnopol high-precision artillery shell," the Russian military said in a statement......



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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:23 am

    Thats a very nice textbook case of how Russia has used aerial drones in the Syria campaign.  Instead of the US approach of fielding weaponised platforms, Russia uses them as recon assets to provide targeting to PGMs and artillery.

    Smart stuff!  russia

    BTW the 2nd hit was said to be the drone workshop where foreign specialists integrated high-tech systems into apparently home-grown amateur drones. Its hilarious that pro-Jihadi media "experts" discount foreign assistance and really think that local amateurs using off-the shelf electronics can build a small fleet of weaponised drones to fly the best part of 100kms in a loose formation and using a pre-prepared flight plan in an attempt to evade detection.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:20 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Thats a very nice textbook case of how Russia has used aerial drones in the Syria campaign.  Instead of the US approach of fielding weaponised platforms, Russia uses them as recon assets to provide targeting to PGMs and artillery.

    Smart stuff!  russia

    BTW the 2nd hit was said to be the drone workshop where foreign specialists integrated high-tech systems into apparently home-grown amateur drones.  Its hilarious that pro-Jihadi media "experts" discount foreign assistance and really think that local amateurs using off-the shelf electronics can build a small fleet of weaponised drones to fly the best part of 100kms in a loose formation and using a pre-prepared flight plan in an attempt to evade detection.

    The fail is in the average media consumer sap that thinks this drivel is plausible. Hey, I can build my own cruise missile too with off the shelf components!

    Then we have the schizophrenic response to Russian cruise missiles hitting targets 5000 km from launch point. There is shock and surprise.

    Really? Goat f*ckers can build them from off the shelf components with some tinkering, but Russia can't? There is no objective punditry ever presented
    in the NATO MSM. It is all low-grade propaganda BS.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:53 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Thats a very nice textbook case of how Russia has used aerial drones in the Syria campaign.  Instead of the US approach of fielding weaponised platforms, Russia uses them as recon assets to provide targeting to PGMs and artillery.

    Smart stuff!  russia

    BTW the 2nd hit was said to be the drone workshop where foreign specialists integrated high-tech systems into apparently home-grown amateur drones.  Its hilarious that pro-Jihadi media "experts" discount foreign assistance and really think that local amateurs using off-the shelf electronics can build a small fleet of weaponised drones to fly the best part of 100kms in a loose formation and using a pre-prepared flight plan in an attempt to evade detection.

    No way so swarm management,  embedded programming,  real time sat navigation, ballistic calculations are not taught in London/Paris mosquees? 

    Krasnopol hits on assembly shop? ugh those CIA operatives were a payback for 2 Russians?


    BTW Krasnopols IMHO also because Russian base is 24/7 surveiled by US, any take off might mean call back to operatives in assembly shop. Same with cruise missiles. But Krasnopol is a howitzer shot...
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:00 am

    Yes, no warning possible really... in fact you only know it is a krasnopol shot for the last 3-4 seconds or so when the laser is turned on.

    Soviet and Russian laser guided weapons don't use continuous laser marking like the western weapons do... generally a direct fire weapon has 1 second of lasing of the target before impact while indirect fire laser guided rounds have about 3 seconds of target marking so the rounds still have to be aimed at the target, but the target gets rather less warning of the attack.

    Unlike its US equivalent of copperhead the Krasnopol has an optical cap that protects its nose mounted optics so it is actually handled and loaded like a standard round. The optical cap is ejected in flight to the target so there is rather less chance of damage and less chance the operator can make a mistake like forgetting to remove the cap before firing.

    AFAIK even the French use that round in a 155mm calibre model that is compatible with French laser target markers.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:11 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    LaVictoireEstLaVie wrote:In face of continued US aggression and provocations in the Middle East, Europe and elsewhere, what will Russia and the rest of the world do to confront this aggressor ?

    Will they sit idly by and let the US continue to do what it wants without consequences or will Russia and its allies finally act to confront , oppose, defy and necessarily defeat the aggressor?

    Russia will do smart thing and will look after their own interests and security and let Middle East, Europe and rest of the world look after themselves.

    If someone has issues with USA aggression then they should deal with it themselves.

    Russia has it's own stuff to do, days of USSR charity services are long gone, not that anyone ever shown any gratitude for it... (And why should they? Sheep are meant to be sheared)

    Can we ban this troll already?
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:36 pm

    Look closely at the 'team hit' video.

    After they had decamped from one vehicle and had got into the second waiting for them in front of the building, just before the explosion the shadow of a third vehicle, top left of frame, suddenly jumps as if the film had been edited at a rather crucial point.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:59 pm

    GarryB wrote:Yes, no warning possible really... in fact you only know it is a krasnopol shot for the last 3-4 seconds or so when the laser is turned on.

    Soviet and Russian laser guided weapons don't use continuous laser marking like the western weapons do... generally a direct fire weapon has 1 second of lasing of the target before impact while indirect fire laser guided rounds have about 3 seconds of target marking so the rounds still have to be aimed at the target, but the target gets rather less warning of the attack.

    Unlike its US equivalent of copperhead the Krasnopol has an optical cap that protects its nose mounted optics so it is actually handled and loaded like a standard round. The optical cap is ejected in flight to the target so there is rather less chance of damage and less chance the operator can make a mistake like forgetting to remove the cap before firing.

    AFAIK even the French use that round in a 155mm calibre model that is compatible with French laser target markers.

    Or it was not Krasnopol but this guy in real life testing? 


    The Russian projectile with a jet engine will hit the enemy for 70 km

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2017/11/70.html
    The record range of shooting - 70 or more kilometers - is achieved by supplementing the design of the ammunition with a straight-flow rocket engine of the bottom or head location. The engine turns on after a short time after the shot, at the time when the projectile is already stabilized by rotation, and increases its speed on the trajectory.




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    Post  franco Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:00 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Look closely at the 'team hit' video.

    After they had decamped from one vehicle and had got into the second waiting for them in front of the building, just before the explosion the shadow of a third vehicle, top left of frame, suddenly jumps as if the film had been edited at a rather crucial point.

    Good eye and I'm not even sure if the original passenger vehicle is still there at impact.
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    Post  Regular Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:20 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Look closely at the 'team hit' video.

    After they had decamped from one vehicle and had got into the second waiting for them in front of the building, just before the explosion the shadow of a third vehicle, top left of frame, suddenly jumps as if the film had been edited at a rather crucial point.
    Noticed that too. Arty shells take time to arrive and my understanding is whoever edited the video cut the away dead air after target was spotted and identified.

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