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    Post  calm on Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:14 pm

    ^

    No, that one on second image is different plane. Probably 509.

    So we have T-50-6/8 and T-50-11 on first image. And 50-9 on last one. All are still waiting for new images in hi res to confirm exact type.


    Acc to Syrians in Tartus they were flying yesterday.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:28 pm

    calm wrote:^

    No, that one on second image is different plane. Probably 509.

    So we have T-50-6/8 and T-50-11 on first image. And 50-9 on last one. All are still waiting for new images in hi res to confirm exact type.


    Acc to Syrians in Tartus they were flying yesterday.

    So it's confirmed that they have 4 su-57 in Syria ? Do we know which ones are fully equiped with all their equipments like radars, ecm ... ?
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:32 pm

    Isos wrote:

    So it's confirmed that they have 4 su-57 in Syria ? Do we know which ones are fully equipped with all their equipments like radars, ecm ... ?
    Probably flying with all kinds of gear randomly active or not and reflectors up the air ducts just to confuse anyone trying to model its emissions and signals Laughing
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    Post  calm on Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:39 pm

    Isos wrote:
    calm wrote:^

    No, that one on second image is different plane. Probably 509.

    So we have T-50-6/8 and T-50-11 on first image. And 50-9 on last one. All are still waiting for new images in hi res to confirm exact type.


    Acc to Syrians in Tartus they were flying yesterday.

    So it's confirmed that they have 4 su-57 in Syria ? Do we know which ones are fully equiped with all their equipments like radars, ecm ... ?

    We do not have confirmation about 4 of them. Need to wait for photos/videos from the ground.
    I am sure that MOD is preparing some nice photos with him in the air and base in a background.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:18 pm

    calm wrote:
    Acc to Syrians in Tartus they were flying yesterday.

    Exclusive: New video showing the #Russia/n 5th Gen. fighter jet the Su-57 Flying over the #Syria/n coast line.
    https://twitter.com/WaelAlHussaini/status/967855310319824896
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:07 am

    All this started with his "source" saying lider is under construction. Nothing to do with putin or obama. Every guy on this forum respect opinions. Some are rude when they disagree but they answer with an explanation.

    Yeah, of course... it only started then... right.

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    Post  Isos on Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:47 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    All this started with his "source" saying lider is under construction. Nothing to do with putin or obama. Every guy on this forum respect opinions. Some are rude when they disagree but they answer with an explanation.

    Yeah, of course... it only started then... right.


    Well, it's not our fault if he posts stupid things ... what would be this forum without poeple providing proofs to stupid claims ?

    Don't expect us to tell him nice things when he tries to make us pro western fanboys because we prove him how stupid his sources are. If you want only people like him in this forum its up to you.
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    Post  Cheetah on Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:36 pm

    Supposed leak from some "Insider" about the presence of the PAK FA T-50 / Su-57 in Syria.

    https://www.rt.com/news/419816-su-57-syria-trial/
    The state-of-the-art Su-57s are in the region to test their electronic warfare and radar capabilities, an insider has said.
    Nothing groundbreaking, nor anything that is overly shocking or would have been hard to guess.

    Also, what the hell is an Su-36? Shocked
    In addition to the Su-57s, Russia also deployed four advanced Su-36s fighter jets last week, and an A-50U airborne early warning and control plane.
    You'd think, being the kremlin sponsored media that everyone claims RT is, they would at least have kremlin-level info on their own aircraft.
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    Post  fredleander on Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:37 pm

    Isos wrote:Well, it's not our fault if he posts stupid things ... what would be this forum without poeple providing proofs to stupid claims ?

    Don't expect us to tell him nice things when he tries to make us pro western fanboys because we prove him how stupid his sources are. If you want only people like him in this forum its up to you.

    I'm confused:

    Is it "...us pro western fanboys"...or...

    "when he tries to make us pro western fanboys".....?..... angel ..

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    Post  Guest on Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:38 pm

    Cheetah wrote:Supposed leak from some "Insider" about the presence of the PAK FA T-50 / Su-57 in Syria.

    https://www.rt.com/news/419816-su-57-syria-trial/
    The state-of-the-art Su-57s are in the region to test their electronic warfare and radar capabilities, an insider has said.
    Nothing groundbreaking, nor anything that is overly shocking or would have been hard to guess.

    Also, what the hell is an Su-36? Shocked
    In addition to the Su-57s, Russia also deployed four advanced Su-36s fighter jets last week, and an A-50U airborne early warning and control plane.
    You'd think, being the kremlin sponsored media that everyone claims RT is, they would at least have kremlin-level info on their own aircraft.

    They wanted to type Su-35. Misstype.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:56 pm

    fredleander wrote:
    Isos wrote:Well, it's not our fault if he posts stupid things ... what would be this forum without poeple providing proofs to stupid claims ?

    Don't expect us to tell him nice things when he tries to make us pro western fanboys because we prove him how stupid his sources are. If you want only people like him in this forum its up to you.

    I'm confused:

    Is it "...us pro western fanboys"...or...

    "when he tries to make us pro western fanboys".....?..... angel ..

    Fred
    The second one. When you say something bad about russians some here tell that you are a pro western fanboy.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:41 pm

    Also, what the hell is an Su-36

    It was a variant of the Su-29 aerobatic aircraft if memory serves me correctly... but I suspect it was a mistype...
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:21 am

    If true (at least to t some degree) this could

    a) Be part of extensive testing schedule for Su-57
    b) this would explain the urgent concern for civilians in Ghuta

    The Su-57 razed East Gutua along with American soldiers "who are not there" - about 2000 ji-ai from the US PMCs will remain in the land of Syria forever
    http://www.iarex.ru/news/55921.html


    According to the Syrian media, there are already four Su-57s in Syria that have harmonized with the land of eastern Guta along with American soldiers, says wh24. Also, the Syrian media write that in East Gut there were up to 2,000 US soldiers in the so-called PMCs, this figure needs to be supplemented by NATO soldiers who do not understand what they are doing there. American militants and terrorists need to be counted separately, they were killed much more.

    Now no one doubts that this is revenge for the Russian guys who died as a result of the American shelling a few days ago.

    The State Department tried to get through to Moscow, but nobody answers there. As Lavrov said in Munich: "The time of negotiations has passed, the time of retribution has come." And it's really true, Russia does not intend to tolerate the antics of the United States either in Syria or elsewhere. And believe me, now in Gut more abruptly than in Stalingrad. From there, no live American soldier will leave.

    The State Department has already stated that it has absolutely nothing to oppose the SU-57 in the airspace in Syria, this fighter is the most perfect among the other fighters of the world, and this becomes a very big headache for American generals. More they have nothing to say, they can only watch in silence.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:35 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:If true (at least to t some degree) this could

    a) Be part of extensive testing schedule for Su-57
    b) this would explain the urgent concern for civilians in Ghuta

    The Su-57 razed East Gutua along with American soldiers "who are not there" - about 2000 ji-ai from the US PMCs will remain in the land of Syria forever
    http://www.iarex.ru/news/55921.html


    According to the Syrian media, there are already four Su-57s in Syria that have harmonized with the land of eastern Guta along with American soldiers, says  wh24. Also, the Syrian media write that in East Gut there were up to 2,000 US soldiers in the so-called PMCs,


    Highlighted parts indicate that this article is 100% BS
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:17 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:If true (at least to t some degree) this could

    a) Be part of extensive testing schedule for Su-57
    b) this would explain the urgent concern for civilians in Ghuta

    The Su-57 razed East Gutua along with American soldiers "who are not there" - about 2000 ji-ai from the US PMCs will remain in the land of Syria forever
    http://www.iarex.ru/news/55921.html


    According to the Syrian media, there are already four Su-57s in Syria that have harmonized with the land of eastern Guta along with American soldiers, says  wh24. Also, the Syrian media write that in East Gut there were up to 2,000 US soldiers in the so-called PMCs,


    Highlighted parts indicate that this article is 100% BS

    Translation sucks - it was about 2000 jihadists including some PMCs. Lets wait if anybody repeats this news. Perhaps translated for Arabic sucked too Smile
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:19 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Highlighted parts indicate that this article is 100% BS

    And you know that how ? Let me guess your intuition ?

    The fact of the matter is ,that Americans original goals in Syria was to over Run damascus ,
    and the best place to deploy their secret forces will be as close as possible to the Syrian capital after
    the takeover and then deploy Flag of United States in Assad Castle.. Something like this could be done
    to send a message to Russia and any other nation ,that you can't stop them and they will do whatever thing they
    want. Also for being closer to damascus .is an ideal place for US  special forces guiding American planes where
    to bomb with laser designators.. By being the first "rebel" group taking first control of damascus ,they can
    more easily get every other faction behind US .

    SO NATO special forces fighting along side Rebels is NOT new.. this was being reported as far as 2012...
    with the capture of parts of HOM by the FSA.. reported by a french journalist Thierry Meyssan that moved to Syria in 2011 when arab spring began..,he helped as translator in negotiations of French special forces to drop down their weapons ,and  the release of them.. IS not like US, France and UK don't have enough muslim terrorist in their own countries ,trained by CIA to fight. Most likely most Undercover operations in Syria by NATO use arabs ,muslims , and even Sunni Syrians/Iranians.. who lived in the west and got extensive military training there to fight in Syria.

    So it makes sense that the CIA will send American muslims mercenaries /criminals from jails, well trained by NATO in modern combat.. this is people that don't officially belong to the US/NATO armed forces but that have equal training if not better than regular NATO soldiers/special forces..and that spear head their combats , and that the west can easily sacrifice.

    As far as 2011 i was reading reports of NATO special forces deep inside Syria helping the terrorist using advance weapons from NATO and providing logistics and communications.. Russia do the same.. it have limited special forces all over Syria since the conflict began , then no idea why NATO will not do the same. The Syrian conflict is a proxy war of NATO major powers/Israel on Russia and Syria is not the ultimate goal.. neither IRAN is.. Russia is the ultimate goal..to give Russia another Soviet-afghan war and keep locked there the Russian army ,draining the Russian economy. This is why Putin keep his military operations as low as possible.. So to not affect the Russian budget..and reason why he freeze the fighting in any place whenever is convenient for them .

    My prediction is NATO will open new front lines against Russia.. there is an undeclared war already happening and by proxy. And the countries to watch will be the balkans ,Serbia,Mecedonia,Kosovo.. and or Moldova vs Russian peace forces under UN decree, deployed there. as possibly Venezuela attacked too.. So Russia will not have the luxury to stay for very long in Syria .  If Clinton was the President ,the checkmate against Putin will have happened already. Russia will be unable to fight in too many battlefields at the same time.. This is the reason Putin needs to STOP creating military alliances ,because any small country that cooperates with Russia will be attacked by the Corrupt Empire ,
    To not invite anyone to its military side ,unless is prepared and ready to Fight back,and  properly defend its allies if they attacked.  Because as if now Russia can't properly defend Syria and not even properly help civilians right next
    to its borders..

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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:23 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:The Su-57 razed East Gutua along with American soldiers "who are not there" - about 2000 ji-ai from the US PMCs will remain in the land of Syria forever
    http://www.iarex.ru/news/55921.html

    I think almost certainly fake report....should've heard from other sources by now if it happened.

    __________

    Mi-28's somewhere in Syria

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    Post  calm on Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:12 am

    2000 KIA, what are they using, nukes? lol1

    To reality.
    Su 57 will not use missiles/bombs in Syria.
    Appears that PAKFA Su-57 prototypes deployed to Syria shall not test their weapon systems. Kommersant source: sensor & EW systems to be tested. The decision - in principle - to deploy Su-57 prototype(s) was made during a closed part of MAKS-2017.
    https://twitter.com/Russian_Defence/status/968139337991942144
    https://t.co/LMBH24DCj7
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:50 am

    With the Gefest & T system being so effective at hitting ground targets without needing guided weapons it would make sense to use the Su-57 as a scout to find targets and pass the target coordinates to other platforms to engage... this would be a good opportunity to test air to ground targeting pods and the resolution and performance of radar in the air to ground mode.
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:52 am

    GarryB wrote:With the Gefest & T system being so effective at hitting ground targets without needing guided weapons it would make sense to use the Su-57 as a scout to find targets and pass the target coordinates to other platforms to engage... this would be a good opportunity to test air to ground targeting pods and the resolution and performance of radar in the air to ground mode.

    Off topic
    Was does the T stand for (is it tekon system?) and what system I am aware of gefest. Also what platforms use gefest system ? (Apart from su-24)
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    Post  calm on Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:14 pm

    SSO, Syria.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:56 am

    Gefest & T is the name of the companies that have developed the hardware... well technically they are called:

    JSC "Hephaestus and T" and are located in Zhukovsky, Moscow region.

    If you highlight and copy this link:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/СВП-24_(прицельно-навигационный_комплекс)

    by clicking and highlighting the line and pressing the control button and the letter C and then open this page:

    Yandex

    and at the top of the page there is a text box... if you click inside and press control and V to paste the ru.wiki link and click the button next to the text box it will open the webpage and then translate it into english.

    Gefest & T make a sighting an navigation system for a range of existing aircraft... the one for the Su-24 is called SVP-24. There are others for other aircraft including the Tu-22M3, the Su-33, the Su-25 etc etc etc.

    Not all of the systems are in service, but they offer them as upgrades anyway.

    (Note as you scroll down the page it will translate the text, so if it appears in Russian just wait a few seconds....)

    The bombing navigation system can be applied to almost any aircraft, including helicopters and trainer aircraft... which presumably means it could also be adapted to transport aircraft too I think... imagine a cheap bomber made of an An-12 or Il-214 that can carry 20 odd tons of bombs over thousands of kms and operate at over 6,000m altitude and hit targets accurately with dumb cheap bombs against primitive enemy forces... an accountants dream...

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    Post  eehnie on Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:50 am


    It is to be expected that the Russian military advisors help to the Syrian Armed Forces in the management of the oldest warfare and equipment.

    It would be logical to see the oldest material used in the pockets, that are weaker fronts that the frontline in areas open to the borders of Turkey, Jordan and Israel.

    The reserves of equipment in Syria seems to be big, taking into account that despite the escalation in the begin of 2018 the rythm in the shipments seems lower than previously.
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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:23 pm

    The next information..given by French journalist lived in Syria and have been covering
    the war since 2011 , Thierry Meyssan  could be accurate or not , but usually half of the time
    his reports that comes from sources of Syrian Government are accurate .


    Anyway here is his recent report about Syria..
    report date : March 1 2018..



    Russian Army in Damascus

    Over the last four years, all commentators have underlined the impossibility for Russia to deploy ground troops against the jihadists in Syria at the risk of reliving their defeat in Afghanistan. But what is true if Moscow confronts Washington by proxy is false if the two great powers agree not only on the future of Syria, but the whole region. Thierry Meyssan was the first journalist in the world to announce the arrival of the Russian army in Syria in 2015. He is today the first to announce the deployment of its infantry.


    ashington has decided to relegate its project for the destruction of states and societies in the Greater Middle East to second place in its preoccupations, and to concentrate its forces on opposing the Chinese project for the Silk Road. This has apparently been implemented by President Donald Trump and the Prime Minister of Australia Malcolm Turnbull (representing the British), on 24 February at the White House.

    This is not just the traditional conflict between the Anglo-Saxon maritime Empire on one side and the land-based Chinese project on the other. It also concerns the potential threat that Chinese industry represents for the whole of the developed world. To put it simply, while in Antiquity, Europeans were eager to obtain Chinese silks, today, all the Western powers fear having to the compete with Chinese cars.

    Since Beijing has abandoned the project of re-opening the Silk Road along its historic route through Mosul and Palmyra, the United States have nothing to gain by sponsoring jihadists to create a Caliphate straddling Iraq and Syria.

    It was also on 24 February that Russia and the United States presented Resolution 2401 to the Security Council - a text which had been ready since the night before, and in which there had been no changes made, although everyone pretended to continue their bargaining.

    Allegedly adopted in response to the French media campaign aimed at saving the population of the Ghouta, this Resolution deals, in reality, with a solution for almost all of Syria.

    It puts on hold the question of the withdrawal of Turkish and US troops. Concerning the latter, it is not impossible that they balk at leaving the extreme North-East of the country. Indeed, if China decided to route the Silk Road through Turkey, Washington would fan the flames in order to create a Kurdistan in Kurdish territory (if we accept that South-East Anatolia is no longer Armenian territory since the genocide) and block Beijing’s way.

    Moscow has moved new planes to its base in Hmeimim, including two Su-57 stealth aircraft – jewels of technology that the Pentagon imagined would not be operational before 2025.

    Above all, Moscow, which until now had limited its engagement in Syria to its air force and a few Special Forces, has now secretly moved in infantry troops.

    On the morning of 25 February, the Russian land army moved into East Ghouta alongside the Syrian Arab Army.

    It is now impossible for anyone at all to attack Damascus, or attempt to overthrow the Syrian Arab Republic, without automatically provoking a Russian military riposte.

    Saudi Arabia, France, Jordan and the United Kingdom, who had secretly formed the « Little Group » on 11 January in order to sabotage the peace conference at Sotchi, will be unable to take any further decisive action.

    The gesticulations of the British and French Ministers for Foreign Affairs, Boris Johnson and Jean-Yves Le Drian, cannot disguise the new agreement between the White House and the Kremlin, nor the international legality of the Russian military presence and its military action in favour of the civilians who are prisoners of the jihadists.

    They can not hope to question this agreement, as their respective countries did in July 2012, taking into account the evolution of the local and international situation.

    If necessary, we will pretend not to know that the two armed factions present in East Ghouta (pro-Saudi and pro-Qatari) are run by Al-Qaïda. They will be discreetly exfiltrated. The officers of the British MI6 and the French DGSE (who are operating under cover of the NGO Médecins sans Frontières) will be repatriated.

    The war has not yet ended for the whole of the territory, but it is already over for Damascus.

    by Thierry Meyssan



    http://www.voltairenet.org/article199874.html

    So according to him ,Russia began recently a major military mobilization in Damascus..
    with Russian armed forces.. All this will make sense for me.. even if it is only 300 soldiers or more..
    to help Syrian army fights in Eastern Goutha. The reason for this could be after Russia reports
    on RT that NATO was preparing an attack on Syria using the  Chemical weapons excuse. And by deploying
    soldiers in Damascus ,it can effectively shield Assad ,and its most important military bases in the capital..
    and event prevent a NATO invasion from Jordan border. Allowing Russia to justify helping Damascus protect
    their air space from NATO and Israel.. This movement if true ,will make sense ,because very soon there will be elections in Russia..and it will be on interest of Putin ,that if things end badly for Russian army..that it will happen
    now and not in the next term..Because by deploying the Russian army in Damascus ,Russia will have a better
    idea of where is NATO latest policy standing about the continuation of Syria state..

    In any case i do agree with him ,that in the near future ,next couple of days or few weeks ,the long term policies of US/Israel and NATO ,including Turkey over Syria will be better understood . and So Russia will better understand better what to do next. if to increase military support or start reducing its military and airforce there.

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    Post  d_taddei2 on Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:41 pm

    GarryB wrote:Gefest & T is the name of the companies that have developed the hardware... well technically they are called:

    JSC "Hephaestus and T" and are located in Zhukovsky, Moscow region.

    If you highlight and copy this link:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/СВП-24_(прицельно-навигационный_комплекс)

    by clicking and highlighting the line and pressing the control button and the letter C and then open this page:

    Yandex

    and at the top of the page there is a text box... if you click inside and press control and V to paste the ru.wiki link and click the button next to the text box it will open the webpage and then translate it into english.

    Gefest & T make a sighting an navigation system for a range of existing aircraft... the one for the Su-24 is called SVP-24. There are others for other aircraft including the Tu-22M3, the Su-33, the Su-25 etc etc etc.

    Not all of the systems are in service, but they offer them as upgrades anyway.

    (Note as you scroll down the page it will translate the text, so if it appears in Russian just wait a few seconds....)

    The bombing navigation system can be applied to almost any aircraft, including helicopters and trainer aircraft... which presumably means it could also be adapted to transport aircraft too I think...  imagine a cheap bomber made of an An-12 or Il-214 that can carry 20 odd tons of bombs over thousands of kms and operate at over 6,000m altitude and hit targets accurately with dumb cheap bombs against primitive enemy forces... an accountants dream...


    Thanks garryb for information. I remember seeing photos of a IL-76 with dumb bombs I would imagine that if it was operational that it would have such a system. But you're right a cheap bomber could easily be made a possible export upgrade for cheap bomber??????

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