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    Post  Guest Tue May 24, 2016 7:03 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
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    KoTeMoRe wrote:The most interesting is the Mil mi 8. It is being claimed the Mil was grounded since December 2015.

    Not by MO, but by Jane's...

    Jane's wrote:Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery shows there were three Mi-24/35s and one Mi-8/17 at Tiyas Air Base on 31 March. The Mi-8/17 has not moved since at least December 2015, suggesting it is a non-operational Syrian aircraft.

    No comment...

    So this derelict Mil Mi 8 has magically moved in 3 days...lemme get my Property Act for the Golden Gate, I sell it cheap.

    That MiG-25 was there also since 2014.

    Indeed. So there's more and more details that bother me. One of them is the Damage location. It's all around the helicopters. It looks like someone doesn't understand strike patterns out of artillery when using Photoshop.

    As i said above, fire is way too concentrated aka impossible, especially for MLRS.

    Also one single missile/shell aimed to hit solo MiG-25 and actually hits it? What are the odds of that happening? Impossible.

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    Post  SturmGuard Tue May 24, 2016 7:11 pm

    To be completely honest, I would give "The World" this kind of "victories" if that makes them feel better.


    Periodically broadcast some news about "Russian setbacks" and "heavy losses", to counter the blood loss and neural bleeding they suffer due to Russian actions around the world.


    Naturally, I would double the hurt on "moderates" and "opposition" at the same time.


    Remember Ukraine and "destroyed Russian Army columns/convoys/divisions/10 000 KIAs"?



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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 24, 2016 7:17 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:The most interesting is the Mil mi 8. It is being claimed the Mil was grounded since December 2015.

    Not by MO, but by Jane's...

    Jane's wrote:Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery shows there were three Mi-24/35s and one Mi-8/17 at Tiyas Air Base on 31 March. The Mi-8/17 has not moved since at least December 2015, suggesting it is a non-operational Syrian aircraft.

    No comment...

    So this derelict Mil Mi 8 has magically moved in 3 days...lemme get my Property Act for the Golden Gate, I sell it cheap.
    It also only seems to have 4 rotor blades fitted.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue May 24, 2016 7:31 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:The most interesting is the Mil mi 8. It is being claimed the Mil was grounded since December 2015.

    Not by MO, but by Jane's...

    Jane's wrote:Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery shows there were three Mi-24/35s and one Mi-8/17 at Tiyas Air Base on 31 March. The Mi-8/17 has not moved since at least December 2015, suggesting it is a non-operational Syrian aircraft.

    No comment...

    So this derelict Mil Mi 8 has magically moved in 3 days...lemme get my Property Act for the Golden Gate, I sell it cheap.
    It also only seems to have 4 rotor blades fitted.

    That too.
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    Post  Solncepek Tue May 24, 2016 8:20 pm

    After IG shelled the base, it explodes a reservoir with fuel. The fire caught ~20 trucks and after that threw over the helicopters...
    The fire-trucks can not help, because in the same time the base is under shelling.....it's all...

    The photos are 100% real
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue May 24, 2016 8:29 pm

    Solncepek wrote:After IG shelled the base, it explodes a reservoir with fuel. The fire caught ~20 trucks and after that threw over the helicopters...
    The fire-trucks can not help, because in the same time the base is under shelling.....it's all...

    The photos are 100% real

    Yes a fire truck drove around burning things 200m away, sure Hollywood magical Logic. Lol man try harder...

    Mortar attack? Which mortar puts the IS positions out of the 5km range...Jesus do you even military?
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    Post  Guest Tue May 24, 2016 8:30 pm

    Solncepek wrote:After IG shelled the base, it explodes a reservoir with fuel. The fire caught ~20 trucks and after that threw over the helicopters...
    The fire-trucks can not help, because in the same time the base is under shelling.....it's all...

    The photos are 100% real

    Fire jumped 100m precisely on helicopters? How if i may ask? Magic?
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    Post  OminousSpudd Tue May 24, 2016 8:30 pm

    Someone ban this guy already. We don't need a pro-Daesh disinformation warrior on the Syria thread. We have enough of them already.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue May 24, 2016 8:32 pm

    He's not Pro-ISIS, it's the crybaby "Puten did it" team. Ultron and C° avatar.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Tue May 24, 2016 8:39 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:He's not Pro-ISIS, it's the crybaby "Puten did it" team. Ultron and C° avatar.
    He might not be pro-ISIS, but he certainly becomes pro-disinformation the moment he illogically throws their wild claims around with no objectivity on his part.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 24, 2016 8:41 pm


    So old Syrian aircraft damaged long ago. Figured as much. If it were anything else MSM would be having collective orgasm.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue May 24, 2016 8:55 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    So old Syrian aircraft damaged long ago. Figured as much. If it were anything else MSM would be having collective orgasm.

    We don't know...I'm hearing sh*t like Indirect fire doesn't need much to cause damage and a chain reaction...yes it does, because the closest ISIS has been from T4 was 5 km....Hitting within that range without accurate coordinates is non-sense. It's not you pull a gun string again and again, the guys on the base would lock on you (especially if Russians) within the first Salvo.

    It's like people who are notorious for their world grade accuracy, not, became laser accurate for this "event". It's amazing.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 24, 2016 8:57 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Solncepek wrote:After IG shelled the base, it explodes a reservoir with fuel. The fire caught ~20 trucks and after that threw over the helicopters...
    The fire-trucks can not help, because in the same time the base is under shelling.....it's all...

    The photos are 100% real

    Fire jumped 100m precisely on helicopters? How if i may ask? Magic?
    Yup, and it avoided all the scrub bushes in the area. A very ecological fire.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 24, 2016 9:05 pm


    Russia killed 28,000 militants in Syria, third of all ISIS forces – Russian deputy security chief

    https://www.rt.com/news/344214-russia-killed-isis-militants/
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue May 24, 2016 9:16 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia killed 28,000 militants in Syria, third of all ISIS forces – Russian deputy security chief

    https://www.rt.com/news/344214-russia-killed-isis-militants/

    Impossible to asses. In In almost 9 months of work If they're reached 20K (all groups) would be a very impressive number.
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    Post  Regular Tue May 24, 2016 9:30 pm

    Didn't ISIS blame fire for this not barrage of MLRS? Idk if pictures are legit, but some say that ammo and helicopters were kept too close. I will rather think there was fire and some damage and someone made this sattelity picture just to suit their narrative hence RUSSIAN BASE DESTROYED, unable to comply Russia hiding losses in progress.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue May 24, 2016 9:42 pm

    Mhh we don't know, it's not something we can asses. My issue stands with how this is being presented and how it's going through. This is Hollywoodian in every sense.
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    Post  VladimirSahin Tue May 24, 2016 10:35 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russia killed 28,000 militants in Syria, third of all ISIS forces – Russian deputy security chief

    https://www.rt.com/news/344214-russia-killed-isis-militants/

    Impossible to asses. In In almost 9 months of work If they're reached 20K (all groups) would be a very impressive number.

    20K people defending their country...lol! (Westerners be like) its good work indeed, There's been over 10,000 sorties I'm sure the 28K is right.
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    Post  calm Tue May 24, 2016 11:53 pm

    And the #Russian Zero hour has just began, dozens airstikes conducted over #Aleppo & #Idleb CS.

    https://twitter.com/Syria_Protector/status/735220342776598528
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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 25, 2016 12:08 am

    Syrian express last week. Unusual pictures. The southbound ship is high in the water, the northbound is low.

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    Post  Zivo Wed May 25, 2016 2:50 am

    hmm

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/05/24/russian-attack-helicopters-destroyed-in-syria-us-officials-say-accident-to-blame.html

    Russian attack helicopters destroyed in Syria; US officials say 'accident' to blame

    "The Russian military suffered a setback in Syria when fires destroyed four Mi-24 attack helicopters last week, but U.S. officials tell Fox News the intelligence community believes it was an "accident," not an Islamic State terror attack."


    "The Stratfor analysis is wrong," one U.S. official told Fox News. Another official said, "There is no indication that an ISIS attack took place.""


    So now the US gov't is saying there was no attack. But, if it was an fire caused by an accident, than how do you explain the damage to the MiG-25, barring the possibility that the photos are stratfor fakes?
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    Post  sepheronx Wed May 25, 2016 3:23 am

    As Militarov and Kote have pointed out (both who have served and have experience in such fields) this whole thing is far too sketchy to be real. Even after viewing the photos again, it seems odd that all areas around the equipment seem untouched yet fire hit all the equipment. And if artillery strike from 5km away (what kinda of weapon does ISIS have that would reach that far?) wouldn't have 100% accuracy and thus would have left more craters. As well, once the first initial firings happened, those Mi-24's would be up and running. So even if it was a "fire" the fire would show devistation all around, not just specific parts. Even the MiG-25 damage would show far more damage than just a burn and what looks like damage from an explosions.

    It is all BS and US is just pushing it too. Since it was stratfor. They were apparently selling the photos too. Or someone was as was pointed out earlier. Bringing further "legitimacy" of it into question.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Wed May 25, 2016 6:31 am

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    Post  Regular Wed May 25, 2016 8:25 am

    We will see soon enough if it's true or not
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Wed May 25, 2016 9:43 am

    Zivo wrote:hmm

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/05/24/russian-attack-helicopters-destroyed-in-syria-us-officials-say-accident-to-blame.html

    Russian attack helicopters destroyed in Syria; US officials say 'accident' to blame

    "The Russian military suffered a setback in Syria when fires destroyed four Mi-24 attack helicopters last week, but U.S. officials tell Fox News the intelligence community believes it was an "accident," not an Islamic State terror attack."


    "The Stratfor analysis is wrong," one U.S. official told Fox News. Another official said, "There is no indication that an ISIS attack took place.""


    So now the US gov't is saying there was no attack. But, if it was an fire caused by an accident, than how do you explain the damage to the MiG-25, barring the possibility that the photos are stratfor fakes?

    Genie is out of the bottle now. What the US says is irrelevant. They pushed this info 'leak' through Stratfor as they had with other such semi-official mouthpieces. bellingcat, former Ambassadors, RUSI. It's part of the same group 'gossip' as always.


    One thing is certain.

    This is above ISIS capabilities other than witnessing.

    When you look back again there's a couple of things missing.

    1. Impacts. Mortars that ISIS has big issues with would be fired either NW of the base from flat terrain, or IRAM's would be fired from the hilltops further N/NW/W. That makes hitting anything accurately almost impossible.
    2. This opens the hypothesis of an ATGM attack But that again would have ISIS within the 3 km range of the outer ring. Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9 - Page 12 CjPy-1qVAAASh6u purportedly 10thof May satellite image. Mig 25 is not Visible.
    3. Oryxblog 27 June 2015: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9 - Page 12 5637

    Check the Helicopter pad...Check the area.

    4. Based on DETAILED images from 2015 (especially L39 pack), look at the actual distance between the helicopters. There's about 20 to 30m between the helicopters. We know from Ukrainian footage, that Grads hitting will not cause a fire for sure, nor their shrapnel would pepper 100m around. The helicopters were NEVER nearby fuel trucks. NEVER. Even the Syrians wouldn't do that. And as for ammo. Impact marks aren't visible anyway near the helicopters.

    This MIG 25 has been there for more than one year...Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9 - Page 12 9156 Yet, this isn't visible on that map

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