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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #9

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun May 22, 2016 12:05 pm

    par far wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Traffic at Hmaymim Airbase increases as Russians prepare to strike  https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/traffic-hmaymim-airbase-expected-increase-russia-prepares-strike/ | Al-Masdar News


    How reliable is this news site? Also there are reports of a high ranking US cocksucker going to Syria, for plans to push for Al-Raqqa, if this is true, than I think the two are related.

    US dude was visiting Kurds, hardly a news but something is afoot. Hopefully on 25th VKS goes "Rolling Thunder" once more.
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    Post  Azi Sun May 22, 2016 3:02 pm

    par far wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Traffic at Hmaymim Airbase increases as Russians prepare to strike  https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/traffic-hmaymim-airbase-expected-increase-russia-prepares-strike/ | Al-Masdar News


    How reliable is this news site? Also there are reports of a high ranking US cocksucker going to Syria, for plans to push for Al-Raqqa, if this is true, than I think the two are related.
    Al Masdar News is a very good, reliable, pro government News Portal. I don't know who stays behind AMN but the news are very often correct!

    The US try to push with Kurds for ar-Raqqa, but in my opinion they are too weak to beat IS in their capital! The only one who can beat IS in ar-Raqqa is syrian army, but not now, maybe in a year or two, with enough support from allies.

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    Russia is back in business! russia thumbsup (But hey psst...they were never out of business! pirat ) It's a good sign to the allies and the jihadis at the other side. Great News!
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    Post  Guest Sun May 22, 2016 3:35 pm

    Azi wrote:
    par far wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Traffic at Hmaymim Airbase increases as Russians prepare to strike  https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/traffic-hmaymim-airbase-expected-increase-russia-prepares-strike/ | Al-Masdar News


    How reliable is this news site? Also there are reports of a high ranking US cocksucker going to Syria, for plans to push for Al-Raqqa, if this is true, than I think the two are related.
    Al Masdar News is a very good, reliable, pro government News Portal. I don't know who stays behind AMN but the news are very often correct!

    The US try to push with Kurds for ar-Raqqa, but in my opinion they are too weak to beat IS in their capital! The only one who can beat IS in ar-Raqqa is syrian army, but not now, maybe in a year or two, with enough support from allies.

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    Russia is back in business! russia thumbsup (But hey psst...they were never out of business! pirat ) It's a good sign to the allies and the jihadis at the other side. Great News!

    And yet very often pure BS too. They reported at least 15 Israeli airstrikes that never happened.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon May 23, 2016 1:42 pm

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-aircraft-carrier-deployed-syrian-waters-july/

    They quote Zvezda news. But essentially the Admiral Kuznetsov is heading to Syria in July to support Russian contingent in the area. I guess it is time to show off and test MiG-29K capabilities.
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    Post  par far Mon May 23, 2016 3:07 pm

    A good article by Pepe Escobar:

    "Beware what you wish for: Russia is ready for war."

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/344002-beware-russia-war-us/


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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon May 23, 2016 4:26 pm

    Nope Russia is not ready for war. Not at all.

    As a matter of fact, there's no one ready for a head on war with peer powers. The US itself cannot start to sustain the effort it would need to take on Russia, be that on Russian turf or Russian neighborhood.

    Same for Russia, while on operational sense they might manage and even get on with a defense strategy, it would require some god awful effort from Russia alone.

    Also yes beware what you wish for, Things in the past have never turned quite A OK for people that wanted to mess with Russia or the USSR.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon May 23, 2016 4:29 pm


    Agreed.

    There won't be any war of that type so let's not waste any more server space on that nonsense and stick with the topic.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon May 23, 2016 4:50 pm

    par far wrote:A good article by Pepe Escobar:

    "Beware what you wish for: Russia is ready for war."

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/344002-beware-russia-war-us/

    I like his style, but i find he puts way to much faith in the S-500, almost as if he believes Russia already has them deployed all over the place, it doesn't feel like's talking about the future, but the present. Neutral

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    Post  Boban Mon May 23, 2016 6:00 pm

    Which ships will join Kuznetsov? Peter the Great? Severodvinsk?

    Boy oh boy i can feel something big is coming.


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    Post  OminousSpudd Mon May 23, 2016 6:17 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    par far wrote:A good article by Pepe Escobar:

    "Beware what you wish for: Russia is ready for war."

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/344002-beware-russia-war-us/

    I like his style, but i find he puts way to much faith in the S-500, almost as if he believes Russia already has them deployed all over the place, it doesn't feel like's talking about the future, but the present.  Neutral

    Pepe is an excellent journalist, but when it comes to military matters he can get a little too excited and tends to blur the lines between reality and 20+ years in the future.
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    Post  Vann7 Tue May 24, 2016 1:19 am

    Russia calls for cease of fire again.. i hope they know what they doing.



    Logic tells me that terrorist will only use the cease of fire to reorganize
    and do a counter attack. but why is Russia doing this? Are they being
    blackmailed with a major war with Israel or Turkey if continues fighting the terrorist?

    So Syrian army cannot fight terrorist anymore ? and only needs to allow them to bomb
    their positions peacefully?  Will Russia do a cease of fire with terrorist that threaten the life
    on Russian citizens on this own nation? This is so crazy. i cannot understand  Russia policies anymore in Syria.  There have to be something else they seeking to achieve. I cannot believe
    for a second that Russia hopes Islamic extremist who have been bombing their own embassy and killing civilians women and children ,will suddenly negotiate for peace with the Syrian army just because Russia do a cease of fire.

    update..
    Well ,According to Thierry Meyssan a french journalist that live in Syria
    since the conflict began and is correct about 65% of the times. that is
    more than half of the times have been correct.  He claims US have offered a deal
    to Russia of ending the war in Syria. And that in the near future in about July
    americans agreed to totally leave Syria and Russia will finish the job.

    So perhaps ,just perhaps , Russia cease of fires have to do with the pact with Americans.
    There is probably many NATO special forces in all places in Syria helping the terrorist ,that Americans will not like to see killed. but this is all a guess. So in the summer we
    could possibly see a new aircraft carrier of Russia. at Syria coast and a major
    destruction of any terrorist group that refused to cease of fire.

    new report released by thierry meyssan , may 23 ,2016.
    about what is happening in Syria conflict ,behind the scenes.


    Above all, it was agreed that Washington would set a deadline for its allies - the start of July - to arrive at a negotiated agreement in Geneva. Beyond that date, the US would withdraw all their armed forces, while Russia would redirect its aircraft-carrier Admiral Kutznesov to the Syrian coast in order to resume, on a reduced scale, its bombing campaign against the terrorist organisations (who have since been re-armed)

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article191889.html

    So effectively Russia is giving a chance to Americans to retreat from Syria in an honorable way ,in change for Russia not bombing their more valuable assets and to follow americans
    "moderates propaganda" and get in line all their allies with the end of the conflict.
    but this deal will not be forever and Turkey and Saudi Arabia could boycott it ,and Russia will return to bomb everything if Americans do not honor their agreement by summer.

    My guess is that Syria will permanently lose control of territory , all northen Syria to kurds
    and other factions and will be autonomous at least but it will still be part of Syria territory. So is not an humilliating defeat for americans and neither for Syria because will end the war. Aleppo
    main city probably will be saved and totally captured and it will probably will be the last
    territory Syria army will capture. but idlib or any other norther part from idlib to raqa seems will be autonomous zones , controlled partially by Americans. So looks like Russia negotiated with Americans autonomous zones for peace . but that for that to happen ,americans needs a couple of months or more to get in line everyone with the new policies.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 24, 2016 10:16 am

    Very sceptical about this. The US withdraw in favour of the Russians??? With the neocons still in power in Washington and new resources still going in!

    Then there is the carrier. Given that the sortie rate can be far higher and more productive out of the airfield they already have, why, apart perhaps for training purposes or clearing stocks of old naval munitions, do they need it? Is it just the macho 'France and the US did so we ought to as well' train of thought? Any ideas guys, some of you are much deeper into Russian military thought patterns than me?
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 24, 2016 11:48 am


    I think that they just want to use this rare opportunity to take Big Kuz for a test ride in real war.

    Other than that Latakia AB is more than good enough.
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    Post  Solncepek Tue May 24, 2016 3:15 pm

    BAD NEWS NEVER END.....thanks to Putin Sad

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    Post  Guest Tue May 24, 2016 3:36 pm

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    That sure as Hell is not an artillery fire damage. And whole scene is way "too clean", no misses, no personel clearing damage, no auxilary vehicles around... i dont buy it.

    Ye, right someone landed single artillery shell directly on solo MiG25 in middle of nothing. Unless ISIS suddenly started using Excaliburs this is not what happened there, if it even happened.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue May 24, 2016 3:40 pm

    Ironically a modest analysis of the pictures at hand, shows that the images make no sense. Unless ISIS has Jdams, the areas affected by fire are only those where "helicopters" could have been found. Basically ISIS aims with whatever system they got better than the Russian Army with Their own Smerches... Also hit over shelter looks concrete piercing...

    Also thanks to Putin...yeah sure because Putin allegedly let the IS take Shaer and one BM-21 that was purportedly used by ISIS...For the slowpokes that was IRGC crew that lost it...
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    Post  Guest Tue May 24, 2016 3:46 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Ironically a modest analysis of the pictures at hand, shows that the images make no sense. Unless ISIS has Jdams, the areas affected by fire are only those where "helicopters" could have been found. Basically ISIS aims with whatever system they got better than the Russian Army with Their own Smerches... Also hit over shelter looks concrete piercing...

    Also thanks to Putin...yeah sure because Putin allegedly let the IS take Shaer and one BM-21 that was purportedly used by ISIS...For the slowpokes that was IRGC crew that lost it...

    Not a single miss on target, literally. Impossible even if they had best Westen artillery on disposal together with Excaliburs.

    Also, where is everyone? Noone clearing up runaway? Where is the rest of auxilary vehicles? Those sure as hell wouldnt be all in one place. And where are people? There is noone there whatsoever...

    Also this "burning residue" looks awfully fake, might be due to time of day when pics were taken but still, it looks awfully fake.

    Also just 2h ago: https://life.ru/t/новости/412180/v_minoborony_nazvali_propaghandoi_ighil_slukhi_ob_unichtozhienii_boievykh_viertoliotov_rf
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue May 24, 2016 3:47 pm

    If this is ratted out as a fake, who's done it and on what purpose...Yeah I understand the obvious US connection, but how and why. The Saker/El Murid talked about KA52, specifically, and that I didn't buy, because the KA's were shown in Latakia about two days later, what I want to understand is why and who...and why such a poor job (at either hiding their hand or doctoring images).

    Yeah I read that Strtafor allegedly tried to sell those images to the MO. And I also read the MO statement. The issues can be cleared out by Tactical VisCon...Mil numbers missing from Syria...
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    Post  sepheronx Tue May 24, 2016 4:09 pm

    It was denied by mod about this.
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    Post  max steel Tue May 24, 2016 4:24 pm

    A Syrian "source" told RIA there was a fire, and the fire trucks were not able to get to the helicopters in time due to nearby mortar fire. Solnepeck don't spread false info.


    Btw did Mi-28N crash earlier in Syria ?
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    Post  Guest Tue May 24, 2016 4:37 pm

    General Igor Konasenkov claims satelite images are few months old and they are showing damage caused by ground firefights.

    Source: http://rs-lat.sputniknews.com/rusija/20160524/1105926704/Rusija-Sirija-helikopteri-Mi8.html
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    Post  sepheronx Tue May 24, 2016 4:40 pm

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160524/1040164121/russia-syria-airbase-hmeymim.html

    No Russian Helis damaged or such.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue May 24, 2016 4:47 pm

    The most interesting is the Mil mi 8. It is being claimed the Mil was grounded since December 2015.

    Not by MO, but by Jane's...

    Jane's wrote:Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery shows there were three Mi-24/35s and one Mi-8/17 at Tiyas Air Base on 31 March. The Mi-8/17 has not moved since at least December 2015, suggesting it is a non-operational Syrian aircraft.

    No comment...

    So this derelict Mil Mi 8 has magically moved in 3 days...lemme get my Property Act for the Golden Gate, I sell it cheap.
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    Post  Guest Tue May 24, 2016 4:48 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:The most interesting is the Mil mi 8. It is being claimed the Mil was grounded since December 2015.

    Not by MO, but by Jane's...

    Jane's wrote:Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery shows there were three Mi-24/35s and one Mi-8/17 at Tiyas Air Base on 31 March. The Mi-8/17 has not moved since at least December 2015, suggesting it is a non-operational Syrian aircraft.

    No comment...

    So this derelict Mil Mi 8 has magically moved in 3 days...lemme get my Property Act for the Golden Gate, I sell it cheap.

    That MiG-25 was there also since 2014.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue May 24, 2016 4:58 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:The most interesting is the Mil mi 8. It is being claimed the Mil was grounded since December 2015.

    Not by MO, but by Jane's...

    Jane's wrote:Airbus Defence and Space satellite imagery shows there were three Mi-24/35s and one Mi-8/17 at Tiyas Air Base on 31 March. The Mi-8/17 has not moved since at least December 2015, suggesting it is a non-operational Syrian aircraft.

    No comment...

    So this derelict Mil Mi 8 has magically moved in 3 days...lemme get my Property Act for the Golden Gate, I sell it cheap.

    That MiG-25 was there also since 2014.

    Indeed. So there's more and more details that bother me. One of them is the Damage location. It's all around the helicopters. It looks like someone doesn't understand strike patterns out of artillery when using Photoshop.

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