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    Post  RTN Mon Jan 08, 2024 7:39 pm

    GarryB wrote:The thing is that for enemy fire to reach the T-90s ammo it needs to penetrate into the turret and reach the armoured autoloader
    And how exactly will the T-90 draw first blood? The length of the Russian 3BM59/3BM60 Svinets-1/2 is not really good. The projectile is about 730mm long, which is much shorter than the M829A3 930mm. The Svinets-1/2 from Russia has one of the weakest penetrations among the APFSDS rounds used by the modern main battle tanks of the major countries, and Russia has made very few of them.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:04 pm

    RTN wrote:
    And how exactly will the T-90 draw first blood?  The length of the Russian 3BM59/3BM60 Svinets-1/2 is not really good. The projectile is about 730mm long, which is much shorter than the M829A3 930mm. The Svinets-1/2 from Russia has one of the weakest penetrations among the APFSDS rounds used by the modern main battle tanks of the major countries, and Russia has made very few of them.

    Houthis destroyed M1 with rpg29 , FPV drones wrecked Leo 2

    T90 can be destroyed equally by any number of munitions

    It's stupid to think the fate of major wars/battles will be determined by two forces just running into each other with no other factors influencing the outcome

    But then again, US generals who planned the Ukro counteroffensive really expected 9 brigades to just charge into trenches and drive 200+km to Crimea

    So it's clear you are not the only one who thinks that way , and that's a good thing

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    Post  Belisarius Mon Jan 08, 2024 9:15 pm

    You have no idea what you're talking about, the M829A3 is 730mm long.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:22 am

    And how exactly will the T-90 draw first blood?

    The T-90 can hit stationary targets at 5km range while moving down a road, they showed that on Combat Approved. It can also fire a guided missile that will enable it to hit targets at long range that are moving... moving targets mean accuracy is no longer good enough to ensure hits.

    The length of the Russian 3BM59/3BM60 Svinets-1/2 is not really good. The projectile is about 730mm long, which is much shorter than the M829A3 930mm.

    It is long enough to penetrate all the western vehicles deployed to the Ukraine conflict, which means it is better than bigger western rounds because there is no prize for over penetration.

    Being smaller means it is lighter and cheaper and easier to load into the autoloader.

    But then the west loves their expensive uber weapons.

    The Svinets-1/2 from Russia has one of the weakest penetrations among the APFSDS rounds used by the modern main battle tanks of the major countries, and Russia has made very few of them.

    Svinets is from the late 1980s, it might be a common round but it wont be their best... but why would they need their best against Challenger 2 tanks and Abrams tanks and Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 tanks in ridiculously tiny numbers?

    Winning a war is great, but doing it on a budget is even better.... remember the plan was to destroy the Russian military and the Russian economy... and they have clearly done neither.


    So it's clear you are not the only one who thinks that way , and that's a good thing

    The western myth of invincibility makes them easier to deal with, but who knows what they will do when reality sets in and they realise they have to replace everything and rebuild and the only way they could possibly do that is put all the western MIC directors and CEOs in jail for treason.

    But of course you can't eliminate western corruption because it takes two to tango and western politicians and high up military people encourage it because when they retire from their government jobs they are looking forward to nice cushy well paid jobs in the private sector getting contracts for companies that don't deserve them... at the end of the day it is the US taxpayer and the US soldier and sailor and airman that are getting shafted and they have no voice.

    You have no idea what you're talking about, the M829A3 is 730mm long.

    And that is how their myths are created because people (like me) attack the relevance of their numbers rather than the accuracy... which is clearly also a fail... thanks.

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Jan 09, 2024 5:41 am

    RTN wrote:
    And how exactly will the T-90 draw first blood?  The length of the Russian 3BM59/3BM60 Svinets-1/2 is not really good. The projectile is about 730mm long, which is much shorter than the M829A3 930mm. The Svinets-1/2 from Russia has one of the weakest penetrations among the APFSDS rounds used by the modern main battle tanks of the major countries, and Russia has made very few of them.
    Don't need to. The hull front armor of NATO MBTs is significantly weaker compared to the turret face. In most cases the 3BM42 subcaliber is more than adequate but against the latest with upgraded hull armor the 3BM59/60 subcaliber is more than enough.

    Which is fucked because NATO MBTs have lots of energetics just sitting behind that weak armor. The Leopard 2 famously stores 27 main gun rounds to the left of the driver while the Aybraps has 1000L of fuel surrounding the driver in the bow fuel tanks. All with zero compartmentalization. Razz

    Russian gunners just need to adjust their aim slightly lower and they would still kill NATO MBTs no problem.

    You can't even argue that these can be hidden using hull down positions as any MBT that keeps behind low cover instead of staying mobile runs higher risks of getting ventilated by artillery or FPVs.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:15 am

    Behold in front of almighty two inches Laughing

    I have a joke!

    A guy stands naked in front of a mirror and studies himself.
    If my dic%k had been two inches longer, I would have been a king!
    Here comes the wife :
    You would have been a queen if yours had been two inches shorter.

    That summarizes the M1 issues pretty well I believe Laughing

    By the way, I still can't figure out if that is a real level of delusion, or they are so stupid, or so much brainwashed that they seriously can't get a clue that no, no western tank is armored better rather than Russian ones dunno

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    Post  RTN Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:02 am

    GarryB wrote:Svinets is from the late 1980s, it might be a common round but it wont be their best... but why would they need their best against Challenger 2 tanks and Abrams tanks and Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 tanks in ridiculously tiny numbers?
    Which round will replace Syinet? Armata has not yet received a new round.


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    Post  galicije83 Thu Jan 11, 2024 11:23 pm

    RTN wrote:Which round will replace Syinet? Armata has not yet received a new round.


    3BM59/60 replace old 3BM46/48 ROUNDS...


    Russians made 3BM69/70 Vaccum for 2A82 T14 tank gun..

    Armata its not  tank its platform for 3 vehicle types T14/15/16 for frck sake...
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:34 pm

    Which round will replace Syinet? Armata has not yet received a new round.

    So you were just fishing for information...

    OK... a Man says he is grateful about two facts regarding his wife.... first that she is satisfied with 9 inches and second that she doesn't know how to correctly use a ruler to measure things.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jan 12, 2024 1:17 pm

    This murican moron can't even remember the name properly Laughing

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    Post  galicije83 Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:25 am

    Bradley f.ck up T90M in Avdeevka...i do not get it were f.king commander looking in that tank to not see f.king bradley 100m or less front of him...were are rusdians drones to help this tank with enemy targets...nore and more stupidity from Russians every day...


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    Post  lyle6 Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:15 pm

    It came under attack from at least three Bradleys working at it from 3 directions, ate a TOW point blank and came out with a malfunctioning turret with the crew likely surviving in the aftermath. Tough fucking beast.

    So that's why that one vid of a Bradley graveyard is filled with vehicles that looked to have been gutted by an angry demon fist. Turns out the Bradley's armor is paper to an OF26 shell - and the are just bumrushing these junks at T-90Ms hoping to make a kill somehow.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:18 pm

    Besides, we can see the effect of detonating both turret ammo magazines, which ended up with nothing.
    It is mindblowing how people can twist reality to get some irrelevant points Laughing Laughing

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    Post  galicije83 Sat Jan 13, 2024 1:27 pm

    lyle6 wrote:It came under attack from at least three Bradleys working at it from 3 directions, ate a TOW point blank and came out with a malfunctioning turret with the crew likely surviving in the aftermath. Tough fucking beast.

    So that's why that one vid of a Bradley graveyard is filled with vehicles that looked to have been gutted by an angry demon fist. Turns out the Bradley's armor is paper to an OF26 shell - and the are just bumrushing these junks at T-90Ms hoping to make a kill somehow.
    We do not see end what happend with tank and his crew..and yes he wistand lot of shit coming on him...but still its a stupid to send tank to clean houses and enemy positions without IFV to cover him from flanks...
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jan 13, 2024 4:15 pm

    You are notoriously clueless, proven multiple times. welcome

    The crew is probably traumatized, as observed when it drives blind. The electric system is down because this turret rotates for a reason. Yet the tank just withstands dozens of hits, including own ammo detonation, and drives to safety.

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    Post  Isos Sat Jan 13, 2024 8:48 pm

    Probably bradeley was hiding. You can't see through houses.

    With the last articles about prices of nato munitions, it sepnd more dollars firing those shells than russians will to repair the tank.

    And the bradley was for sure hunted by drones the next hour.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 14, 2024 3:36 am

    Such videos are always edited to follow their agenda... if you don't see it drive away to safety there is a reason for that... and it is not that it didn't, it is to create the impression that it didn't.

    Having IFVs escorting a tank?

    Don't you mean a terminator?

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jan 14, 2024 5:51 am

    galicije83 wrote:
    We do not see end what happend with tank and his crew..and yes he wistand lot of shit coming on him...but still its a stupid to send tank to clean houses and enemy positions without IFV to cover him from flanks...
    Even stupider to have IFVs tangling with MBTs that can one-shot them at any range. Where are the Ukrainian tanks that are supposed to screen for the IFVs?  Rolling Eyes

    The Russians made the right call here, the hohols just lucked out. But repeat this scenario 10 times and the hohols would be massacred 9 times out of 10.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 14, 2024 9:17 am

    Not even starting with that we have not a single idea what was before khokhols sent a whole platoon of M2 to deal with a tank.
    Maybe it was just out of ammo - I will remind you that to reload turret ammo spares into the loader the tank must be parked safely.
    Considering that the vid ends up with a tank stopping on a tree, I strongly consider they didn't effectively destroy it, as that would be the most important part of video mounting.
    It is very interesting material, because presents crystal clear of how a modern tank is fragile for operational kill with use os medium caliber. The tank was surely out of action, even if not destroyed.

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    Post  Cyrus the great Tue Jan 16, 2024 2:23 am

    It looks like the optics or turret drive was damaged; the main thing is that the crew survived

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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:54 pm

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    Roof-top cage armor + ERA bricks

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    Post  Hole Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:03 pm

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    More roof armor

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    Post  lyle6 Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:16 am


    Stuff's literally steel and explosives. Two things Russia has in abundance like water and oil.

    It won't take long but eventually every Russian MBT will be fitted with a complete suite of ERA pagodas making them nearly impervious to the most common cumulative warhead threats from any conceivable angle.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:51 am

    lyle6 wrote:
    It won't take long but eventually every Russian MBT will be fitted with a complete suite of ERA pagodas making them nearly impervious to the most common cumulative warhead threats from any conceivable angle.  

    We will need a bigger boat ... ekhm ... warhead Laughing
    But a bigger round will require a bigger drone.
    A bigger drone will be easier to spot.
    Easier to spot and easier to avoid/destroy.
    And here we go with one more loop Laughing

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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:10 am

    but eventually every Russian MBT
    After that each vehicle down to the Tigr.
    Maybe add some ERA bricks to the protective gear of soldiers... scratch
    lol1

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