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    Post  Vann7 Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:57 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:"Valuyev suggested that judging by the number of US, UK and French warships and aircraft deployed near Syria, they planned to use about 300 units of ammunition in a joint strike".

    Indeed something I already said here, an example of why my information is always good, I know things has high the Military command of the Russians, I also know why we didn't fire that magic number.


    @Van

    Everyone already knows, what SA is doing no one cares. Keep in mind Putin attacking SA would be twisted by the media, the reason media doesn't mention what SA is because they cannot. The information would never get out in wide scale

    SA isn't also under civil war, attacking them in that matter is a full declaration war.

    You would literally drag Russia into a full-scale war, one that would be used against it soundly.

    You lack such basic understanding of what such actions would entail and the objective you preach would never be accomplished.

    Now please drop this topic, it's pure insanity.


    Saudi Arabia airforce and navy is being destroyed by Yemenis.. what you talking about ?
    Iran is already at war with saudi Arabia in Yemen... so what is Russia needs to be afraid?
    As i told you,, one strike on Saudi Oil fields will shot down Saudi Economy.. they will back down..
    Saudi Arabia can't harm Russia .. not even close dude.

    And NATO will no go into a ww3 with Russia for Saudi Arabia.. so wake up dude from
    fantasy land. Nobody in America or Europe will support US or Europe to attack Russia in defense of
    Saudi Arabia.. it will be an Assymetrical response... NATO attacks  Russia major ally.. and Russia attacks
    NATO major ally. it will be Fair.. but contrary to NATO that wins Nothing in Syria.. Russia will make a lot of money..
    in energy sales,, when those prices sky rocket.. Saudi Arabia can't harm Russia.. zero.. other than incite Muslims to target Russia...  but they are doing that anyway..since the 70s.. like Chechens ,talibans..and others.

    The only reason why Russia can start a fight with NATO over Syria.. is because is in a major disadvantage
    in Syria.. but in IRAN ,Russia will be unstopable.. with their rear flank completely safe.. Caspian sea reinforcements
    and Saudi Monkeys stand no chance to win in IRAN.

    Saudi Arabia is afraid to attack IRAN alone ,because its oil fields will be destroyed by IRAN.. So if Saudis can't
    even fight IRAN.. even less Russia.  Russia can also help Yemenis with air strikes to advance and bomb ISIS there..to over run all saudi advances in yemen.  Cool Cool

    Is not a Russian invasion , neither full scale war. but a strike on saudi Arabia chemical weapons sites..
    why would NATO oppose the destruction of Chemical weapons places?  Cool
    Russia can do a lot of asymetrical damage in response to NATO without directly attacking them.
    and while holding public opinion on their side. since everyone knows Wahabbism ideology of ISIS comes
    from Saudi Arabia.. So US ,UK and France will be exposed as Terrorist Sponsors if refuse to join RUssia
    to bomb Saudi Arabia chemical weapons sites.. they have.. but also biological weapons too..

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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:17 pm

    Someone said it could be this, which suggests mig-25 were used to intercept missiles.

    The red cover is to protect the rear facing datalink antenna while being handled on the ground... once fitted to an aircraft the red covers are all taken off before the aircraft gets airborne, which suggests this was destroyed on the ground. The fact that the large rear wing surfaces are not visible also suggests these missiles were in storage because the wings were clearly not fitted either... the wings are normally fitted when the missiles are taken out to the flight line to fit to the aircraft to make the missiles easier to transport.

    France wants to start a new initiative regarding Syria that can bring all parties on the table and find a solution all sides can live with.

    France can go fuck itself... they are part of the problem and have no interest in being part of a real solution.

    Russias interest is Tartus. I´m sure an agreement can be found where this is part of a deal.

    Wow... generous... So France will offer Russia what Russia already has...

    Evryone knows no European nation ever will deal with Assad. Putin knows this as well. And Syria needs western deals to be build up.

    Europe burned Syria... Syria needs the west like it needs a chainsaw enima.

    just wait and see... Saudi Arabia is leading a Biological weapons attack on Yemen..
    there is a genocide of civilians happening there and there is evidence of this..

    Vann.. if this is a Russian response to the recent attack on Syria then all the evidence they need can be found in a video and a few photos on the internet...

    Now please drop this topic, it's pure insanity.

    I am sure Trump would suggest it was pure insanity too, but does that not make it an even better option to consider than any option that makes no difference?

    The least useful result might be an end to SAs interference in Yemen... which would be good for Yemen.



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    Post  Cyberspec Sun Apr 15, 2018 7:42 pm

    kvs wrote:Syrian War: News #17 - Page 10 Da1JH6JX4AA-IBE

    LOL.

    America and its minions are really, really, really thorough in their bombing.    Or their missiles are crap.

    The claim that all their missiles hit their targets is a breathtaking in its delusional idiocy.

    They were cocky enough to announce 8 targets before the attack

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    Post  Vann7 Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:00 pm

    If i remember well , the Research center for (preparation of students of pharma jobs) and creatin medicine ,was already destroyed years earlier by israel and rebels terrorist artillery attack.. So is possible that simply Syria air defenses did not cared much in the defense of that target. So is possibly that they hit the center only for Public relations.. to cause doubt on Assad..So is possible that Syrian army did not defended it.. since was destroyed anyway,, unless it was repaired.. You also the claims of one Russian military veteran in sputnik , who claim NATO only fired 1/3 of its missiles...


    Russian Admiral Explains Why Western Strike on Syria Was Poorly Coordinated



    "They have used [just] a third of the total number of the missiles. All this should be analyzed in order to take retaliatory measures, first of all, on the diplomatic front," he concluded.


    https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201804151063583839-syria-us-missile-strike/



    @Garryb

    The retaliation plans ,the rumors is IF NATO strike again Syria ,after the last one... if strike again..
    that Russia is evaluating Striking Saudi Arabia chemical weapons factories that they have and Biological
    weapons program..
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    Post  Cyberspec Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:30 pm

    The automated Air-Def Command & Control systems Baikal-1M and Polyana D4M1 were instrumental in the success of the Syrian Airdefences. The Syrian BUK, S-125-2M, OSA and Pantsir are reportedly integrated in a country wide unified Air-Def system which includes the Russian contignent (although they didn't open fire in this case).

    An A-50U also took part....one of them was seen flying around Hama province on April 13th

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    In the below article, it says they were expecting an attack involving about 300 missiles. The Baikal can reportedly handle up to 500 targets, while the new radar on the A-50 can track up to 300 targets

    Arrow https://topwar.ru/139908-tehnicheskie-momenty-provalnogo-udara-po-sirii-chto-privelo-k-fiasko-krasivyh-i-umnyh-v-nebe-sirii.html
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    Post  nomadski Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:27 am

    What are all these lines connecting these boxes ? Are they data links ? Are data link radio or by hard wire ? In Iraq they could see the hard wire by radar . And they hit the connection . So the integrated became the disconnected . They have UAV flying in Syria , with radar looking down . They know now what frequency to jam on radar guided old weapon and where they are . So next attack will be to target radar site by HARM if it is static . Or jam it . I am not in support of integrated radar . Because it is more vulnerable . Iam in support of point defence . In war radar looses value quickly . Even F18 pilot turn radar off in flight to hide . As your pilots say ...........There are no old and bold pilots .......
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    Post  Isos Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:38 am

    So yesterday Macron said he successfully conviced Trump to stay on long term in Syria. Today Trump said he still wants to get the fuck out of Syria.

    So when this happens, Macron will be alone against Turkey and now Russia to protect kurds. That's why macron is trying to be not so much against Putin. But yeserday he said also that Putin was a complice of assad for chemical attacks. So he fucked up.

    No one is talking about what's going on with Turkey ? Any news ?
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    Post  George1 Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:03 am

    Western military strike against Syria

    On the night of April 14, 2018, the armed forces of the United States, Britain and France struck the Syrian Arab Republic officially as punishment for the alleged chemical attack on April 7 by the Syrian government forces in the Duma on April 7, 2018.


      According to US official data, during the attack on Syria on the night of April 14, Western forces produced 105 cruise missiles, including 66 American ship cruise missiles Tomahawk:

       From the missile cruiser US Navy CG 61 Monterey (type Ticonderoga) from the position in the Red Sea - 30 cruise missiles Tomahawk

       From the US Navy destroyer DDG 58 Laboon (type Arleigh Burke) from the position in the Red Sea - seven Tomahawk missiles

       From the US Navy destroyer DDG 76 Higgins (type Arleigh Burke) from the Persian Gulf position - 23 Tomahawk missiles

       From the atomic multipurpose submarine SSN 785 John Warner (type Virginia) from the position in the Mediterranean - six Tomahawk missiles

       From the two USS Rockwell B-1B strategic bombers operating from the Al-Udeid airbase in Qatar, 19 AGM-158B JASSM-ER (JASSM) cruise missiles (the first combat application of JASSM-ER missiles) were fired, launches were conducted over the eastern regions Syria, controlled by US forces.

       The British Air Force fired eight launches of Storm Shadow aircraft cruise missiles from four Tornado GR.4A fighter bombers operating from the Akrotiri airbase in Cyprus.

       France produced nine launches of Scalp-EG airborne cruise missiles from five Dassault Rafale fighters departing from the Saint-Dizier airbase from France and three launches of MdCN (SCALP Naval) naval cruise missiles from the frigate D 653 Languedoc (FREMM type) in the Mediterranean Sea (the first military use of MdCN missiles).

       Thus, the main attacks on the territory of Syria were inflicted from the south and south-east directions. It is reported that the trajectories of missiles launched by American and French ships and French and British aircraft from the Mediterranean side passed over the territory of Lebanon.

       According to US data, the attack was carried out in only three locations on the territory of Syria - the research center of the Syrian Defense Ministry in the Barz area of ​​Damascus (it was used 76 US cruise missiles), supposedly a "chemical weapons warehouse" in the Homs area (used 22 cruise missiles, including nine American, eight British Storm Shadow, three French MdCN and two SCALP-EG) and a command center located near that "warehouse" (seven cruise missiles were used - all French Scalp-EG). As one can judge, all three goals were chosen from the list of objects that were associated with the Syrian chemical program before its closure in 2013 and were well known to Western countries during the work of 2013. In this regard, the relevance of all three affected facilities raises considerable doubts, and the Syrian personnel from there in any case was evacuated in advance. All three targets were declared as successfully hit, while the research center in Barz in Damascus, judging from video materials, completely destroyed.

       Apparently, these three goals were also chosen with the conscious goal of removing from Russian military facilities in Syria and from zones of action of Russian air defense systems in Syria.

       According to US statements, none of the participating aircraft and none of the cruise missiles were shot down by Syria's air defense. The Syrian air defense released, according to US data, 40 surface-to-air missiles, but without success and allegedly after the defeat of cruise missiles their targets.

       The Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed that Russian air defense systems did not participate in repulsing the western attack and that no cruise missile of the enemy was within the zone of operation of Russian air defense systems. Having determined (even before the US official data on 105 cruise missiles released) the amount of air attack of Western countries in 103 units, the Russian Ministry of Defense stated that, in his opinion, 103 sea-air and air-based cruise missiles, as well as controlled GBU aerial bombs -38 and air-to-surface air missiles. At the same time, it was stated that the Syrian air defense allegedly shot down 71 missiles from the produced 103. At the same time, the Syrian air defense system used the S-125, S-200, Osa, Kvadrat and Buk SAM systems (curiously, the Pantsir-C1 "were not mentioned in this list).

       The Syrian Defense Ministry stated that as a result of the attack there were no casualties among the Syrian military personnel and that three civilians were injured.

      It is interesting that the Russian Ministry of Defense claimed that a number of Syrian airfields were attacked, but all the cruise missiles that attacked them were allegedly shot down by Syrian air defense. At a briefing on April 14, Chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Colonel-General Sergei Rudskoy said:

    "The objective of the attack was, among other things, the air bases of the Syrian air force.The objective control data show the following: 4 missiles were fired at the airfield of Duvali, 100% down, Dumeir airfield - 12 missiles, all shot down (100 On the airfield of Blai there were 18 missiles, all were shot down (100%), 12 missiles were fired at the airfield of Shayrat, all were shot down (100%), and nine of the missiles fired at the unused Mezze airfield were shot down (55, 5%). Of the 16 missiles at the Homs airfield, 13 (81.25%) were destroyed, no serious damage is observed at this facility.

    30 missiles were involved in a strike against objects in the vicinity of the settlements of Barz and Jaramani. Of these, seven missiles were shot down (23.3%). These objects, allegedly related to the so-called "military chemical program" of Damascus, are partially destroyed. At the same time, they have not been used for a long time, there were no people and equipment on them. "

    On the bmpd side, we note that, since the US side in general denies the attack on the aforementioned airfields, the tremendous 100 percent efficiency of the Syrian air defense for their protection finds a very easy explanation. In general, in our opinion, the information about the allegedly shot down 71 Syrian air defense cruise missile is obviously overstated (most likely, many times) and can not be taken seriously, especially in light of the overall total obsolete nature of most of the material part of the Syrian air defense forces.

    Among other statements of the Russian Ministry of Defense, mention should be made of its denial of the participation of French aviation.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3158991.html
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    Post  KiloGolf Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:20 am

    Isos wrote:No one is talking about what's going on with Turkey ? Any news ?

    Turkey approved and welcomed the strikes against Syria. jocolor
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    Post  Isos Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:27 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:No one is talking about what's going on with Turkey ? Any news ?

    Turkey approved and welcomed the strikes against Syria. jocolor

    I mean any news about their op against kurds protected by french and US.
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:02 am

    Turkey wants to play in both sides.. get Russian weapons and technology ,while continue in alliance with NATO..
    Reason why Russia should delay those S-400s indefinitely until Turkey retreat from Syria and return the stolen
    territory. and promise to end aiding terrorist.


    about  bmpd claims... That place is pure propaganda and was full of Bullshit against Russia
    during the Ukraine war..

    Is Ridiculous to think that NATO will only bomb a building not used anymore, a pharmaceutical center for students , with 70+ missiles,that UN chemical experts visited 2 times and was clean ,and  only produce medicine for Hospitals related with Cancer and other. and then claim that NATO did not target Syria military bases..and Assad combat planes.. which they target last year.. why not this time? so is obvious that  bmpd is full of shit again.. just like many claims they
    told about Russia during the Ukraine conflict. NATO goes as far as to claim none missiles were intercepted.. lol1
    when videos shows clearly the opposite.. it was shooting gallery.  So don't take seriously the claims of  bmpd website..
    they have a long story of anti Russian bullshit and propaganda.  Russia did intercepted 71 missiles.. and even pro Rebels terrorist media ,in Uk is backing this version of Russia more. It simply don't happen.. IF NATO attack syria ,their real aim is destroy as much as possible Syria capabilities to use its airforce. which they claim bomb "hospitals and children".

    So be careful with bmpd journal propaganda place.. they release good photos.. but a lot of anti Russian propaganda.




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    Post  Cyberspec Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:03 am

    nomadski wrote:What are all these lines connecting these boxes ? Are they data links ? Are data link radio or by hard wire ?

    Obviously they're wireless connections considering the distances involved
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    Post  lulldapull Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:09 am

    Turkey is practically a hostage of Iran. Iraqi/ Iranian Kurds have been begging us to help them fuck Turkey up in the ass like now! If Iran loses its patience (someday), then Iran will arm these desperate Kurds and give them free will.

    However, in the interests of neighborly relations and detente with Putin, Iran refuses to act against Turkey!

    For now!
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    Post  nomadski Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:20 am

    It is not just the Turks that are playing both sides. It is also Kurds. Like MKO , they are like little sunflowers . Turning with the sun . A red star , a yellow sun , a rag on their head . I said before that Kurds fighting the rats should be armed with arms they could not use later to make trouble . Hence north Korean small arms . But knowing that inside every Kurd democrat , there is Kurd separatist . I disagree . Kurds should now be disarmed . Turks should be stopped from interfering , if they support non democratic elements . Only if Turks work with us , to support democratic and national forces then , we work with them . Who is writing new constitution ? Who took part ? Who is helping ? Who is compromising ? The answer is not too difficult .

    Now about crossing river to fight yanks . Can water be stopped temporarily to dry river to allow passage ? Will yank then hit dam to flood the area ? Or better to open dam all the way up river ( wink wink ) to disallow flooding ( to damage bridges ) and lower levels and then put bridge down ? Or best still to attack from east ( in Iraq ) , where bridges intact . Syrian troops can come to Iran .
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:21 am

    Given that this is so close to Damascus where are the TV or proper film units that should be filming these massive tunnel networks, in this case under the hospital? All we get is a mobile phone video at link.

    Who supplied the tunnelling gear, who dug the tunnels and when, where did the shuttering come from, where did all the spoil go?

    This is a major PR opportunity for the Syrians abd they are letting it go to waste?


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    #BREAKING - First footage of #Syrian rebel underground fortress, under the National Hospital in #Douma. #Syria's government forces are uncovering weapons caches, underground artillery and workshops in the hospital as well as a massive tunnel for multi-ton trucks.


    https://twitter.com/AlSuraEnglish/status/985851082185175040
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    Post  lulldapull Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:22 am

    Anymore pics of blown up tomahawk parts guys?
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    Post  yavar Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:44 am

    Syria, AD destroyed U.S England missile strike or hit open ground سوریه موشک آمریکا، انگلستان


    Iran Advisor to Leader Velayati visit to the Eastern Ghouta Syria ایران ولایت سفر غوطه شرقي سوريه
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:45 am

    It looks like there may be some kind of documentation issue and the OPCW team is not being allowed onto the site.


    me_thinkz @me_thinkz 2h2 hours ago

    And the games resume! Why has the #UN not given #OPCW the necessary documentation? #UN Department for Safety and Security is delaying this, not #Syria or #Russia.

    All of a sudden #FUKUS is interested in the work of #OPCW two days ago they were not, preferred to bomb first.

    Ghidorah @Ghidorah64 1h1 hour ago

    Russia said they would not allow inspectors in because they did not have the documentation., so it is Russia not allowing them in.

    me_thinkz @me_thinkz 1h1 hour ago

    Perhaps they said that. But why would they allow them without documents? Tmrw #FUKUS can claim that the report is not acceptable because #OPCW did not have the documentation. Or if something bad were to happened to inspectors, #FUKUS could claim Russians or Syrians harmed them.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/16/syria-chemical-attack-inspectors-unable-to-access-douma-site
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    Post  Isos Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:20 am

    According to Konachenkov 112 anti air missiles were fired during the Attack from US/UK/FR. 25 of them were from Pantsir systems.

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804161063620948-pantsir-s1-syria/

    23 targets destroyed by Pantsir.

    24 targets destroyed by 29 Buk missiles.

    5 targets destroyed by 11 Osa missiles.

    5 targets destroyed by 11 S-125 missiles.

    3 targets destroyed by 5 Strela 10 missiles.

    Not sure however about those numbers I found on french sputnik. They deleted the numbers after few minutes. So to be confirmed.
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    Post  nomadski Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:40 am

    During Iran / Iraq war , nobody cared , when Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran . In fact western companies supplied the chemical precursors needed to Saddam . There were 50,000 dead , with unknown number of injured still dying today . The Kurds were attacked with 5000 dead . The Marsh Arabs were attacked . This I believe cost Iran a bitter stalemate . And allowed Saddam to attack Kuwait later . But here he did not use chemical weapons . Because he knew the yanks will nuke him. Iran had moral objections to these weapons . Even if used against invading troops . A wrong decision .

    The West used chemical weapons against Vietnam . And if vietnam attacked their bases with chemical weapons . Was this wrong ? But nobody cared . Many are still suffering and dying . And in Syria , once the civil war started , the rats were first caught with western supplied precursor chemicals to attack the government . But all this seems to have escaped the western eyes . But if anyone from the government side uses chemical weapons . Is this a surprise ? Or should it be singly blamed ? Is it wrong ?

    In Yemen, twenty million are dying . Conventional weapons are being used as WMD . What if Yemen launched a chemical warhead ? Nothing too bad . Just tear gas . As a warning . Not to waste those few missiles . To stop the blockade . Is this wrong ? Or maybe something a bit more deadly later . Into those magnificent palaces ?

    And if NATO chokes Iran economically . As Trump wants . Without firing a bullet . Millions hungry and without jobs . Or it destroys civilian infrastructure . Killing millions . Like Iraq . And we sputnik a nuke into their ship . To save our people . Is this wrong ?


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    Post  Vann7 Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:18 am



    Everyone knows any serious investigation about chemicals weapons, whether in Syria or in Britain ,
    will be derailed by the usual 3 musketeers , the 3 most valuable players of Alqaeda and ISIS. The entire
    thing in Britain is solved already as staged chemical attack... since the evidence have been tampered
    and did not correlate with the blood samples of Julia.. according to the Lab in sweeden and neither Novichok
    was found in the crime scene ,that Theresa May claims "Russia did it". lol1

    all those few facts alone ,should be enough to destroy Britain government claims that Russia did it..
    and will instead reveal ,how far British Government can go , to damage the image of other nations..
    as to open lies on TV and use the US and UK combined economical pressure on nations to blackmail them
    in order to support their staged chemical incidents.. if Britain can fabricate chemical attacks so shamefully
    in the country..then any other chemical incident like Syria ,they also claim Russia and Syria is responsible is fake too..

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    From yesterday, as well as today, the Syrian army and #NDF succeeded in releasing several areas, with the advance on three axes in Eastern part of al #Rastan pocket

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:07 pm

    Isos wrote:According to Konachenkov 112 anti air missiles were fired during the Attack from US/UK/FR. 25 of them were from Pantsir systems.

    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201804161063620948-pantsir-s1-syria/

    23 targets destroyed by Pantsir.

    24 targets destroyed by 29 Buk missiles.

    5 targets destroyed by 11 Osa missiles.

    5 targets destroyed by 11 S-125 missiles.

    3 targets destroyed by 5 Strela 10 missiles.

    Not sure however about those numbers I found on french sputnik. They deleted the numbers after few minutes. So to be confirmed.

    Now confirmed by MoD, plus 0 for the 8 S-200 launched. Going to need some refills.

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    Acc Russian MoD, Syrian air defense launched 112 SA missiles during US missile strike.

    Pantsir-S1 - 25 missiles hit 23 targets
    Buk-M2E - 29 missiles hit 24 targets
    Osa - 11 hit 5
    S-125 - 13 hit 5
    Strela-10 - 5 hit 3
    Kvadrat - 21 hit 11
    S-200 - 8 hit 0


    Extracted from (in Russian) http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5131781
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    Post  Isos Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:23 pm

    Now confirmed by MoD, plus 0 for the 8 S-200 launched. Going to need some refills.

    It's not good at all against cruise missiles because it wasn't designed for. This was made to be used against high flying big targets and was covered by s-75 and s-125 for low and medium altitude targets.

    They should have never used the missiles.

    I think they will sell hundreds of pantsirs the next 2 or 3 years.

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