Russian Navy: Status & News #4

JohninMK wrote:

Can someone mention which types are these 2 ships? because i am bored to search

Admiral Gorshkov and tugs Elbrus and Nikolay Chiker.

Its a shame you didn't realized their names are writen on them !

Elbrus is Project 23120, Chiker is Project R-5757.

http://russianships.info/eng/support/project_23120.htm

http://russianships.info/eng/rescue/project_5757.htm

Isos wrote:Admiral Gorshkov and tugs Elbrus and Nikolay Chiker.

Its a shame you didn't realized their names are writen on them !

you also took rescue tug for Admiral Gorshkov

George1 wrote:

Isos wrote:Admiral Gorshkov and tugs Elbrus and Nikolay Chiker.

Its a shame you didn't realized their names are writen on them !

you also took rescue tug for Admiral Gorshkov

Nope, I just copy/past the names from twitter and was too lazy to remove admiral gorshkov from the list

Interesting video.. About what the American research scientists groups ,thin tank military
groups ,NGOS that works for military perhaps , their discussions in Conferences to educate about their findings of Russian navy.. weakness and capabilities..

Russian Naval Strategy, Capabilities, and Prospects

Fourteen sailors die in submersible vehicle in Russian waters on July 1

MOSCOW, July 2. /TASS/. Fourteen submariners died in a fire that broke out in a submersible vehicle in Russian waters on July 1, the Defense Ministry said in a statement released on Tuesday.

"On July 1, fourteen submariners - sailors died in Russian territorial waters as a result of inhaling combustion products aboard a research submersible vehicle designated for studying the seafloor and the bottom of the World Ocean in the interests of the Russian Navy after a fire broke out during bathymetric measurements," the statement says.

The fire was extinguished "thanks to the self-sacrificing actions of the team," the statement says.

The submersible is currently staying at the Severomorsk naval base.

"The causes of the incident are being investigated. The Navy’s commander-in-chief is carrying out the investigation," the statement says.

https://tass.com/emergencies/1066739

Losharik deep sea midget sub

This will be rumor shitshow so I advise to keep and eye on what Martyanov says about it, he actually knows the topic

http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2019/07/fourteen-russian-sailors-die-in-fire.html

No idea what happened , but a look at the submarine will clarify anything..
if the external surface is in great condition and the sub returned on its
own then it was an accident..

Which ever is the case is very dangerous for Russia nation security .
to have NATO navies navigating through the economic zones of
artic Russia.. Because between Russia main land and some northern artic islands
there are choke points ,that hostile NATO navies can use to deploy mines or
kamikazi drones that will explode when they detect another submarine of a different
sonar signature.. The same thing is true for China in the south China sea..
Any NATO warships there can deploy advanced mines and or spying equipment..
to keep track of CHina navy movements and is no wonder they very angry at
NATO navigation in the zone. So worried is CHina about NATO navigation in
South China sea ,that they are ready to invest Trillions of dollars in very large
train routes connecting Asia with Europe.. The Belt and road initiative is all about security
,to bypass any open or secret blockade that CHina predict , the Americans will do on them..
in the future.. when both nations start a cold ,semi hot war. to have an alternative to maritime trade , because CHina is too dependent on sea routes for its Economy and they Know Americans can blockade China maritime routes.. with infesting the trade routes and choke points with Isis pirates ,thousands of smart mines, that are designed to hit large ship containers.. etc...

Russia trade is not dependent much on sea routes.. they use pipelines ,that
are easy to repair , and that Europe also helps to monitor..Still the artic routes poses a
challenge to Russia own naval fleet.

Officially the incident happened in russian waters. I doubt there was any nato sub or mine there. Maybe some special forces swimmers that defended themselves with explosives if nato was involved. Weired events are taking place in Washington. Pence cancelled some meeting to go at white house in the same time Putin cancelled some meeting to see MoD.

But it seems to be just a fire that occured inside the ship.

Some ass clown did a shit job with the wiring. Looks like it.

Fire most likely happened while sub was in base

http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2019/07/fourteen-russian-sailors-die-in-fire.html

Serious loss of officers

Among the 14 dead were seven Russian Navy Captains of the First Rank, roughly equivalent to the U.S. Navy Captain rank, according to state-run media outlet Sputnik. Two of these individuals had also been decorated as Hero of the Russian Federation, the country's highest honorary title.

In order to save the submarine and rest of the crew, the 14 that died locked themselves in through emergency protocol to prevent the fire from spreading.

I want to know why so many senior officers where on one midget sub.

Vladimir79 wrote:I want to know why so many senior officers where on one midget sub.

It's a deep diving nuclear spy sub operated by GUGI

It's staffed exclusively by senior personnel







It's carried by this:

miketheterrible wrote:In order to save the submarine and rest of the crew, the 14 that died locked themselves in through emergency protocol to prevent the fire from spreading.

I call BS on this one

Every time Russian troops get killed it's always some super heroic sacrifice, every single time

Stops being believable after a while and it just detracts from those who actually did something like that in the past

Is it so hard for Russian Military (and country in general) to admit that they simply f**ked up?

PapaDragon wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:In order to save the submarine and rest of the crew, the 14 that died locked themselves in through emergency protocol to prevent the fire from spreading.

I call BS on this one

Every time Russian troops get killed it's always some super heroic sacrifice, every single time

Stops being believable after a while and it just detracts from those who actually did something like that in the past

Is it so hard for Russian Military (and country in general) to admit that they simply f**ked up?

Or maybe that is what happened. How do you know?

miketheterrible wrote:....

Or maybe that is what happened. How do you know?

If they can verify it then it's​ good

But it would be seriously low if they were putting out this version in order to cover some systemic mess

Where did you get this news from?

PapaDragon wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:....

Or maybe that is what happened. How do you know?

If they can verify it then it's​ good

But it would be seriously low if they were putting out this version in order to cover some systemic mess

Where did you get this news from?

From Twitter from a Russian.

Since the submarine is built with modules, it isn't surprising. The module will probably be fixed and the submarine will get a new crew. For time being, I guess they will have to continue to use X-ray class mini nuke subs and AS-31 for now.

7 captains??!

miketheterrible wrote:....

Since the submarine is built with modules, it isn't surprising. The module will probably be fixed and the submarine will get a new crew. For time being, I guess they will have to continue to use X-ray class mini nuke subs and AS-31 for now.

They don't have shortage of replacement subs in this category so I doubt work schedule will suffer

What I'm curious about is how come there are so many fire related incidents on Russian subs and almost none on American ones? What does USN do differently?

There was Kursk then Akula for India and now this (maybe some I missed as well)

And that's just post-Soviet Russia

They need to get this under control

PapaDragon wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:....

Since the submarine is built with modules, it isn't surprising.  The module will probably be fixed and the submarine will get a new crew.  For time being, I guess they will have to continue to use X-ray class mini nuke subs and AS-31 for now.

They don't have shortage of replacement subs in this category so I doubt work schedule will suffer

What I'm curious about is how come there are so many fire related incidents on Russian subs and almost none on American ones? What does USN do differently?

There was Kursk then Akula for India and now this (maybe some I missed as well)

And that's just post-Soviet Russia

They need to get this under control

Correction. The Akula incident (Nerpa) wasn't a fire. Someone was fucking around with the fire suppressant system that made it go off and the asphyxiation killed 20 people onboard. Fires mostly happen not on the vessels in use but on dock during fix. And we had two fires on our submarines in Canada. So it isn't surprising at all. As well, most of the vessels are old anyway in the Russian units were the incidences happened (built or laid down prior to soviet union collapse).

Yes, you are right, there is no shortage of these mini subs so work will continue for russia. Rumor has it that the fire may have started when it was still connected to the BS-64 vessel carrying it and when it detached, so it was possibly a mechanical/electrical failure which sparked the fire.

Did anyone die in those Canadian incidents?

If not then it's a big difference.

Nobody cares if equipment gets roasted as long as nobody dies.

This fire would have been less than a footnote had nobody died.

Why were there 14 people in the submersible to start with. Were they finishing its construction under water. This incident has the rife
smell of criminal incompetence. Russia' worst enemy.