- they want Russia to see that they have something big to escort them- it's the same with intercepting bombers.
But most of the time they don't, which is rather embarrassing....
.-but the TAKTNs r not CVNs & can sail in/out just like in the Red Sea that can be closed at Suez in wartime.
There was no such thing as an aircraft carrier when the agreement on transiting the Bosphorus straights was written.
They sent carriers into the black sea to get them fixed when they had the shipyard in what is now Ukraine.
Now they have no reason to send them in to the Black Sea.... just let it go.
access from the Med. Sea is important to Russia for mil., diplomatic & economic reasons.
It is... it is an important trade route and will only become more important, but there is no sense in basing an aircraft carrier there... now or in the future.
- agreed, but I just hyperbolized it. They had big ships in the BSF before & r expanding up bases. More room will be freed up once they scrap all those ex-Ukr.N boats that r not worth to keep.
The Soviet Union had a shipyard there that built carriers... it is no longer viable and likely couldn't make a canoe these days... there is not reason for Russia to base any really big ships in the Black Sea. Temporary basing them in Tartus while on operations with Egypt or Syria or a few other countries in the region might make sense but only temporary and never to the Black Sea.
- it'll take only 5-6 days to get from the BS to Girbraltar, & 6-7 more days to Mid-Atlantic.
In a conflict situation sending a carrier group from the Black Sea to the middle of the Atlantic makes no sense... it would be running a gauntlet of hostile countries to reach the atlantic ocean.... and for what?
The reality is that the Kuznetsov and its two Kirov escorts will be based in the Pacific Fleet or the Northern fleet... in times of conflict... global conflict.... they will likely remain in port and provide more protection to the local defences. A localised conflict further away they could sail to intervene and from those two ports they can pretty much reach anywhere they want soon enough.
- she isn't in the position to impose trade embargoes for long;
A trade embargo or sanctions is a response in kind... Russia is not going out into the world looking for countries to bully... if a country does not want to trade with Russia that is no problem at all.... there are plenty of countries that will be interested.
her own people will suffer w/o the local trade.
Not understanding what you mean? Russian people will suffer if Russia trades with other countries, or the people in the countries Russia trades with will suffer?
I would think Russian investment will help companies grow and develop... some will fail but new ones will take their place... good relations with the US normally results in Cocacola turning up and buying up all the bottling plants and selling coke and obliterating local drink companies... Russia does not have a Coca Cola...
They probably have the same problem those countries have in that regard.
What can L. America offer that other regions can't? Llama/alpaca wool & meat? Lamb, alligator meat? Coffee, corn, coca, cane sugar, minerals, Jamaican Rum? Russia can either do w/o or can get them from Asia & Africa.
It all depends on exchange rate and the prices asked... latin America has a totally different climate to Russia so some things will grow there that wont grow in Russia, so a company can look at what Russia can make themselves efficiently and try to produce that.... they could use Russian agriculture technology and farming equipment to develop very productive farming techniques that makes them internationally competitive in what ever they happen to be producing...
There was a video on this forum recently about Syrians using Russian machines to create olive oil or some seed oil or something... that sort of thing.... one country could provide products to Russia but also sell to other countries around the world... Russia wouldn't own the product, they could be just one of the consumers while selling machinery and equipment and how to use it efficiently and they can use it to make money around the world.
It might be that they already have a product but Russian hardware and machines can help them make it faster and easier and cheaper and Russian ships can deliver it to a wider number of customers so their boosted production gets distributed properly where before the US kept them down and weak.
Therefore, their volume of trade with Russia will never be big enough to pay for the Russian arms & other products.
They don't have to buy Russian weapons if they don't want them... but farm machinery and other tools and equipment will end up paying for themselves and will be much cheaper than equipment from the US or Europe.
They can pay with $ or gold or laborers or cheap tours.
As they work and grow they will generate $ of their own... they can pay in products to start with but unless something is seriously wrong they should be making money out of this too.
If Japan, US &/ Canada build plants there to produce goods for export to the US, Canada & EU like they did in China & SE Asia, only then those nations will have enough hard currency to buy anything they need/want.
Rubbish. Western companies built sweatshops in China and in other places in Asia before that... the goal is not to lift up the country... the goal is to find the cheapest labour pool with no regulations on safety for the workers so if a few die or are permanently damaged you give them $10 and tell them to go away.
China managed to use the investment by western companies building state of the art production facilities in their country and benefit from it but for most countries as soon as the workers start expecting better treatment and decent wages those powerful western companies close up the factories and move on and those countries are left hanging...
It is not growth and development... it is abuse.
- the US will have to turn South & work to lift them out of poverty instead of borrowing $ & buying everything from A to Z from China.
They should have done it 50 years ago and been part of a strong and growing couple of continents, but instead look at what they did and are still doing in Venezuela and Bolivia. They have presented the highest morals and the greatest ethics the world has ever known and they have treated their neighbours and allies like shit and criticised everyone based on their high morals and ethics and never once looked at themselves with those two measures... which is why the world knows America is full of shit... if America was burning I wouldn't piss on them to help put them out.
- those who wouldn't be killed or jailed & who will get higher standard of living once those who fleece them r out of power.
Except there is no higher standard of living... look at Georgia and the Ukraine... that is the better standard of living the EU and US are offering... they are the wolves at the gates asking to be let in to save those lovely tasty sheep from that evil corrupt sheep dog that only wants to eat them for himself... he is a dog and he eats meat so it is only logical that he secretly wants to kill them and eat them for himself... all you sheep have to do is open the gate and me wolf and my friends lion and tiger will take down that evil sheep dog and you will be free to all become millionaires and billionaires like the 1% in the west...
Well you can guess what happens if the sheep open the gate... we saw it in Ukraine and perhaps Armenia too...
In this case Putin... the Sheep dog does eat meat but lack of murdered sheep over the last 20 years suggests he is happy with his dog roll and biscuits... it is the west that wants to rob from Russia and they wont give every Russian a living standard boost... for fucks sake they can't even help the majority of people in their own countries... why would they help Russians... the only reason they are talking to them is because they can't open that gate themselves...
.- viable or not, he's is the only real opposition that isn't afraid to talk truth to power.
What truth? My underpants are killing me... he is pathetic... but the west doesn't want anyone with a spine or brains... they want someone they can control and Navalny is the biggest bitch I have ever seen... he ticks all the boxes... doesn't matter he is a nazi.... didn't matter in the Ukraine, does not matter in Russia.... be hilarious if he ever did get voted president.... maybe Russia starts using US voting machines... then even my left testicle could win the election... his first action would probably be to nuke Poland.
- if there's no high demand, there is no supply to speak of.
Demand does not just happen... companies spend trillions a year on advertising.... even for products that sell well anyway...
Otherwise, those new ties & links would be there by now.
Russia has developed independence in machines and food and products... now they have something to sell what they need now is access to markets and that is what their navy will provide in the near future...
Of course they also needed a reason for much of the last 30 years food was cheap and plentiful from EU countries and products from Europe and teh west were convenient but now the West has imposed sanctions and Russia has responded with their own sanctions that broke that trade interaction... Russia has invested in filling the gaps created but there are still things they get from the EU that they could just as easily get from other countries... countries not so hostile to Russia... so this is an opportunity provided by western hostility to find new trade partners with new products or new sources of wanted products.
The US can't dictate to Brazil, Argentina, Peru, Chile, Nicaragua, Cuba, Mexico, Ecuador & Venezuela as before.
They have never stopped before. they have tried regime change games in Venezuela and Bolivia and stolen gold from Venezuela via the UK... ironically the only country you listed that they don't dictate to is Cuba and we know why.
- a lot of trade still goes through there, & those areas r strategically important, as I said at the start. If nothing else, NATO navies need to be watched there.
Currently yes, but when Russian plans are fulfilled and a lot of trade from Asia to Europe starts going the North Sea Route those waters are going to get much quieter and much less interesting.
- the fleet must be balanced to meet all challeges.
Not really. They can't afford a fleet that can defeat the rest of the world no matter where it meets them... and nor could they become the world police either, but then they probably don't want to.
.- more ties & links will need to come 1st before frequent naval visits.
It is the visits that start creating the ties.
Colonialism era is over;
Wasn't suggesting a visit with guns firing...
now they can be established from offices & living rooms with Skype, phone, fax, & internet. I can directly order a product from Russia or China online.
You can... and when it arrives you think... this is not what I ordered and you look back at the photo on the webpage and you sort of realise it is but it looks good in the photo but thin and weak and cheap in your hands... now you feel cheated...
Part of the fun of being an international trading nation is to visit other countries... an insight into their culture might stop you trying to sell rainbow mugs to the Vatican for instance...
- she will be used for training, trials, tests/eval. & occasional deployments as before, & there's no need to spend more $ on long cruises than necessary.
The crew are doing their job... long cruises take longer but don't cost that much more and are necessary for training... in the real world these carriers will need to protect Russian surface ships anywhere on the planet... having them hug the Russian coastline means if you need to send them to the central or south american region they wont know what they are doing.
They need to practise operations away from Russia for long periods of time because that is what they are for.
- if they r going to be overspend,& they will, more arrows in the quiver of Putin's critics.
Putins critics are cowards and foreigners... who cares about how many arrows they have. They live in their own little world and any amount spend on Russias military will offend them... Russia doesn't need a military.... they can let HATO protect them...
- I doubt the US will care much for Turkey; she's mostly on her own already.
America doesn't care about anyone... not even 99% of itself... as you can see by the worn out infrastructure and crumbling economy... she could care less if Turkey was washed away in a flood... what she does care about is her bases in the region.
- the Ottoman Empire is gone & the Turks will be lucky to keep their nation together; besides Russia, they have Ms of Arabs, Kurds, Persians, Greeks, Armenians, Georgians & Jews to deal with on/near their borders.
I am sure that is on the American agenda of countries to break up further down the list... Russia is at the top of that list.
Perhaps the solution is a new list with America at the top.
There is an old saying... sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander... roughly translates to tomato sauce for the bull is tomato sauce for the cow( when she stops giving milk).
- taking the straits isn't taking over the whole Asia Minor. Russia took Buryatia & the Outer Manchuria from China & the USSR took back S. Sakhalin & the Kurils from Japan, much bigger territories in Siberia & the FE; the Turkish coast is only a few hours sailing time from Crimea, which is now well fortified & well connected with the mainland.
And Russia does not want it... just like it does not want Ukraine or Georgia or any of the Baltic States... or Poland.
-no, I don't hope for that, but it can still happen, & the Turks know this.
The Turks know that HATOs purpose is to find an excuse to attack Russia, and Russian troops attacking Turkey would be the idea opportunity for hawks in the US who believe that Americas military might will flatten Russia as easily as a car hitting the ground would crush a bug.
You know like HATO trained Georgian troops would get to Moscow in three days of fighting Russian troops and Ukraine would be in Moscow on the fourth day of fighting...
- a sub with Poseidons gone from its base & an announcement that it's ready to release them will be enough for the US/RN CSG to sail away, just like the Argentinian CV that wasn't used to save it from the RN SSN. The VMF can do w/o a CBG going there.
You are missing the point... the Russian carrier is not there to scare away the enemy ships... the Russian carrier is there to protect the Russian ships and it is the Russian ships that will sink the enemy ships if need be.
If the Russians send ships they need a carrier to ensure those ships are safe.
- they will create an internal 5th column to seceed from Denmark; the US mil. already has pretty much full control, if not free reign in Greenland.
They get caught trying to sell Greenland and I think there will be a reaction that hurts US interests in the region permanently... look at how well previous regime change missions have gone... Boris Johnson, Micron, and I have not mentioned Ukraine enough or Bolivia or Venezuela...
- then, there is no need to patrol them with CBGs; establishing trade links already been covered above.
The carrier groups will be working the trade routes to drum up new trade and to reinforce existing ties... it will essentially be patrolling them anyway...
there r big areas in Russia that r economically no better, if not worse, than any in L. America.
That is probably true, so it wont just be Russia helping them... they will be helping Russia too. Technology for Venezuela to process her own oil resources so she can sell fuel instead of cheap heavy oil...
Do u know why their rich don't want to invest there? A: because they want to fleece it instead & the legal system isn't set up to favor private ownership & small/medium business enterprise.
I would say decades under the US their legal systems are already skewed in favour of people with deep pockets, but up until recently the US was actively keeping foreigners out of its backyard with all sorts of threats and incentives like no access to the huge rich US market if you try to enter central and south american markets.
Well guess what buddy. When you ban Russian companies from the US market then that threat loses its sting and all you will have left is the opposite.... you can access the USA market as long as you don't access other countries in Central and South America... it might work for some companies but there is so much anti Russia BS on both sides of US politics that wont last long and they will end up sanctioning them out of the market... especially if they make money.
If they invest more in L. America, good luck to get good returns! 1 day their mansions may be torched, as happened many times before in Russian history.
Burning sugar cane fields in Cuba was part of the playbook for the CIA... in the chapter on sour grapes I believe just above butt hurt.
- Canada has higher standard of living then the US. I used to live in Syracuse, NY & every weekend Canadians came there to shop & spend less then they would at home. The French Canadians go to Maine, & most of them would never emigrate.
Like Americans going to Mexico to get things there they can't afford in the US like medicine... have heard lots of Americans also go north to Canada for the same reason... though at one time it was to avoid the draft.
- he is not a VP anymore & has more power.
Nothing has actually changed... he is the third US president to allow war crimes in Yemen...
- he wants to improve relations with Iran & save the nuclear deal. Iran & KSA hate each others' guts.
He made the condition that Iran returns to the deal, which is fucking hilarious because Iran are sticking to the deal... their actions have been in response to the US and the EU not following the deal... they are allowed to increase enrichment if the other side are not following the deal either... and they are not.
Iran has said no to talks until the US starts following the rules of the deal... ie remove sanctions and start delivering on promises... Iran wont return to the deal till the EU starts honouring it too.
- for the same reason Mexico can't boycott the US even after loosing 1/2 of its territory. Ms of Mexicans & C. Americans live in the US & send $ to their relatives home, while many work South of the border at US owned/sponsored plants.
US owned sweat shops in Mexico are a symptom of the disease, not part of the solution.
- many ships were sunk with land-lease arms & supplies that weren't used against the Germans on the battlefield or in war effort/production. So, they did delay their defeat & thus prolonged the war.
Most of that crap was old shit the Brits didn't want any more... Hurricanes and Cromwells... it did diddly squat to shorten the war...