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    Syrian War: News #16

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    Post  eehnie Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:15 am

    The Ottoman wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    The Ottoman wrote:Russia and Iran must help Turkey, because the Turkish operations in Syria are preventing a Kurdish Republic from Afrin till Raqqa.

    The SAA could never handle the Kurdish problem witthout Turkey.

    Why you attacked not Raqqa then?

    All this is ridiculous.

    If Turkey attacks Manbij or Raqqa, than the US will bomb Turkey to the stone age. Turkey is not strong enough to face the USA with single-eyebrow Kurdo-Yank backstabbers all over the homeland.

    Turkey only wants to clean the borders and prevent the Balkanisation of Syria and Iraq.


    This is how Turkey "will expel" the US of the Kurd territory in Syria.

    Explained by themselves.

    The reaction of Syria, Russia and Iran to the operation is logical.



    eehnie wrote:https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201801201060923884-syria-turkey-syria-operation-afrin/

    Damascus Resolutely Condemns Turkish Military Operation in Afrin ©️ AFP 2018/ STR

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    Topic: Turkey Starts Operation 'Olive Branch' in Syria (17)
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    Earlier on Saturday, Ankara has officially kicked off a military operation codenamed "Olive Branch" against Kurdish forces in the Syrian city of Afrin, and claimed it had notified the Syrian government about it. The Syrian side has reportedly denied receiving any notification.

    Syria's Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that Turkey's move was another violation of the country's sovereignty.

    "The Syrian Arab Republic decisively condemns Turkish aggression against the town of Afrin, which is an inseparable part of Syria," the statement said, as quoted by the SANA news agency.

    The Syrian government added that despite Turkey's claims Ankara had not informed Damascus of the military operation.

    "Syria completely denies claims by the Turkish regime that it was informed of this military operation," a foreign ministry source told state news agency SANA.

    READ MORE: WATCH the Beginning of Turkey's Military Operation in Northern Syria

    On January 20, the Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said that the country's jets have bombed YPG, PYD targets in the Syrian city of Afrin.

    "Out of 113 designated targets of the Democratic Union Party (PYD) Kurdish Syrian terrorist group, 108 have been destroyed as of 18:30 [15:30 GMT]. All the killed and wounded people, who have been sent to hospitals, are members of terrorist groups," the statement of the Turkish General Staff read.

    According to the Anadolu news agency, aircraft hit a PYD observation post in Syria’s northern district of Afrin. Turkish F-16 jets have carried out strikes on six targets in Afrin, while the armed forces have launched artillery shelling from the Kilis province, bordering Syria, the Turkish Hurriyet newspaper reported.

    READ MORE: US Arms Supplies to Loyal Groups in Syria Led to Turkish Op — Russian MoD

    Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan confirmed the beginning of the military operation in Afrin.

    "The Afrin operation has de-facto been started on the ground," Erdogan said, adding that "this will be followed by Manbij."

    The Turkish Foreign Ministry has said that Ankara notified Damascus and the United Nations about the progress of the military offensive in Afrin in writing.

    "We are notifying the Syrian regime, as well as all other sides, including the United Nations, about the operation in written form," Cavusoglu said, as quoted by the NTV broadcaster.

    READ MORE: Turkish Jets, Free Syrian Army Launch Offensive on Kurdish-Held Afrin

    Turkey has been threatening to launch an operation in Afrin since last week after the US announced it was going to start training a border security force composed of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), affiliated with the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG), which Ankara considered as a terrorist group.

    eehnie wrote:http://www.cetusnews.com/news/Russia-to-demand-in-U-N--that-Turkey-halts-Syria-operation---RIA-citin.rk-mWsJZrz.html

    Russia to demand in U.N. that Turkey halts Syria operation - RIA citin

    01/20/2018 - 11:14

     
    Russia will support Syria diplomatically and will demand in the United Nations that Turkey halt its military operation in Syria's Afrin, a member of the upper house of the Russian parliament's security committee told RIA news on Saturday.


    MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia will support Syria diplomatically and will demand in the United Nations that Turkey halt its military operation in Syria’s Afrin, a member of the upper house of the Russian parliament’s security committee told RIA news on Saturday.

    “It is not only Syria that will demand this operation to stop. Russia will support this demand as well and will provide Syria with diplomatic assistance,” RIA quoted Franz Klintsevich as saying.

    Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

    The same new:

    https://mundo.sputniknews.com/orientemedio/201801211075596759-siria-kurdos-moscu-ankara/

    eehnie wrote:https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201801221060945553-turkey-syria-afrin-pyd-kurds/

    Iran Calls on Turkey to Immediately End Olive Branch Operation ©️ AP Photo/ Ismail Coskun, IHA via AP

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    At least nine people, including six civilians were killed as a result of the Turkish airstrikes carried out on Saturday under the military operation in Syria's northwestern Afrin district, a source in Afrin's local authorities told Sputnik on Sunday.
    "Because of the airstrikes six civilians, two young women from the Kurdish Women's Protection Units [YPJ] and one fighter of the People's Protection Units [YPG] were killed," the source said speaking about the victims killed on Saturday. The source added that 13 more people were injured in the airstrikes.

    Meanwhile, the former co-chairman of Syria's Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) on Sunday called on everyone supporting the humanitarian values, as well as freedom to show solidarity with the people of the Syrian Afrin, where Ankara has launched a military operation.

    "We are asking for the solidarity with Afrin, with the Afrin people, with the Kurdish people. We are defending the humanitarian values, so we call upon all the pro-freedom people… to be in solidarity with Afrin," Saleh Muslim said in a statement obtained by Sputnik.

    This May 24, 2017 file photo shows the newly built wall near Cilvegozu border gate in Reyhanli, at the Turkey-Syria border
    ©️ AP PHOTO/ BURHAN OZBILICI, FILE
    Turkish City Reyhanli Hit by Rocket Attack From Afrin: 1 Killed, 32 Wounded
    The politician added that he was sure that the Kurds would secure the victory in the conflict.
    According to Muslim, the ongoing operation is "a kind of revenge by the Turkish government" as the Kurds have defeated the Daesh terrorist group in a number of Syrian regions and liberated such cities as Raqqa.

    Meanwhile, the Iranian Foreign Ministry's spokesman Bahram Qassemi said Sunday that Turkey should immediately stop the ongoing operation carried out by Ankara in Syria's northwestern Afrin district in order and to respect Syrian territorial integrity ans sovereignty.

    "Iran closely follows the ongoing developments in the Syrian city of Afrin, and hopes that this operation will end immediately to prevent the deepening of the crisis in the border regions of Turkey and Syria," Qassemi said in a statement released by the Tasnim news agency.

    The Iranian diplomat added that Tehran expected Ankara to protect the territorial integrity of Syria and to avoid the escalation of crisis in the Middle Eastern nation.

    On Saturday, Ankara launched an operation against the Kurdish forces in Afrin. The operation started at 14:00 GMT and a total of 72 Turkish aircraft conducted airstrikes in the district. On Sunday, Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim confirmed the start of the ground operation in the region.

    The operation Olive Branch launched by Ankara has been strongly criticized by Damascus, while a number of other states, such as Germany expressed concerns over the developments in the region.
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    Post  The Ottoman Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:40 am

    Blablabla.

    Just tactical political talk to show the world that this is not a Astana-Gameplan. Before this operation, the Turkish High Command went to Moscow and the Iranian and Russian ambassadors were holding talks with the Turkish PM.

    Turkey will crush those glorified single-eyebrows. They are only heroized in the Western Media. They are "the ones who stood up against ISIS",you would believe they are the ones who completely defeated ISIS when the Iraqis did by far the most difficult fightings (Ramadi,Fallujah,Mosul) but they aren't given the same glory.

    You never hear about the bad sides of the Kurdo-Yanks... such as ethnic cleansing of Arab and Turkmen towns and villages.

    You would also think they are so powerful and invincible. However this image given to them was as the speed of light eroded when the Iraqis reconquered their northern territories. And it will be the same with this current Turkish operation.

    Look here, a flying Kurdo-Yank caught by the FSA.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:31 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Now something I actually care about, Abu Duhorr village liberated by SAA:
    Premature news apparently.
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    Post  The Ottoman Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:08 am

    The Ottoman wrote:Qatar says it supports Turkey’s Afrin operation

    January 23 2018 10:36:22


    DOHA – Anadolu Agency

    Qatar’s Foreign Ministry on Jan. 22 said it supports Turkey’s military operation in Syria’s Afrin district, adding that the offensive was motivated by legitimate security concerns.

    “The launching of the Turkish military operation on Jan. 20 was motivated by legitimate concerns related to its national security and the security of its borders, in addition to protecting Syria’s territorial integrity from the danger of secession,” Qatar’s official QNA news agency quoted ministry spokesperson Lulwah Rashid Al Khater as saying.

    “Turkey, a NATO member, has always been a stabilizing factor in the region,” she said.

    Al Khater added that Qatar is “fully confident of the Turkish Republic’s keenness to preserve the safety of civilians and the unity of Syrian territory.”

    On Jan. 22, Turkey launched Operation Olive Branch to remove the People’s Protection Units (YPG) from Afrin.

    According to the Turkish General Staff, the operation aims to establish security and stability along Turkish borders and the region as well as to protect the Syrian people.

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/qatar-says-it-supports-turkeys-afrin-operation-126154
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    Post  calm Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:51 am

    Turkish backed rats loses in Hama, Aleppo and Idlib in last 2 months.

    Almost 1/3 of territory lost.

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    Rats keep dying in Afrin now, Turkey is using them as a cheap meat in a first lines.
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    Post  The Ottoman Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:56 pm

    calm wrote:
    Syrian War: News #16 - Page 27 15166260507851


    Rats keep dying in Afrin now, Turkey is using them as a cheap meat in a first lines.

    Haha.

    Who told that? You unibrow Kurdish girlfriend?

    There are no reports about casualties on the Turkish side. All the reports are showing that the YPG-rats are falling like flies. I have a lot of videos of flying Kurdo-Yanks but I the mods will cry here if i post them.

    Al-Bab was much more a difficult fight for Turkey, because Arabs are tougher fighters.

    Kurds are very good at social media and posing for the camera, but not in fighting. Thats the reason that Kurds are begging and crying in every Western country to stop this operation.

    Flying Kurdo-Yanks in Afrin ---> https://twitter.com/Derinkuvvet/status/955554768310677504


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    Post  calm Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:41 pm

    ^

    Just 2 dead on Turkish side(army).

    I am talking about Turkish backed terrorists not about army.

    As long as rats on bouth sides are dying that is a good bisnis for Syria/Russia. Let them bleed and then attack them one by one. Kurds, or Turkish backed terrorists, there is no difference in Damascus eyes. All are illegal armed formations on Syrian territory and will be dealt with accordingly.


    NATO's 2nd biggest army unable to fight its own wars. Needs poor and desperate Syrians in their ranks as cannon fodder.
    #Syria interim government in #Hatay issues formal decree asking for 18-50 y.o volunteers to enlist for fight vs #YPG

    https://twitter.com/GissiSim/status/955785652225892352
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:21 pm

    calm wrote:Turkish backed rats loses in Hama, Aleppo and Idlib in last 2 months.
    Almost 1/3 of territory lost.
    ...............
    Rats keep dying in Afrin now, Turkey is using them as a cheap meat in a first lines.

    I love how this is playing out. thumbsup

    Also, it explains this photo from the other day.... Very Happy
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    The Ottoman wrote:...There are no reports about casualties on the Turkish side. ....

    Nobody said there were, we are talking about FSA scum from Idlib here.

    Turkey should throw all those AQ rats to the fire to finish up whatever it is that they are dong up there in Afrin and to keep their military casualties low. Syria cleans up Idlib from AQ in the meantime and Russia saves fuel and bombs while improving economic and diplomatic ties with Turkey.

    Win-win-win for everyone.
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:33 pm

    calm wrote:^

    Just 2 dead on Turkish side(army).

    I am talking about Turkish backed terrorists not about army.

    As long as rats on bouth sides are dying that is a good bisnis for Syria/Russia. Let them bleed and then attack them one by one. Kurds, or Turkish backed terrorists, there is no difference in Damascus eyes. All are illegal armed formations on Syrian territory and will be dealt with accordingly.


    NATO's 2nd biggest army unable to fight its own wars. Needs poor and desperate Syrians in their ranks as cannon fodder.
    #Syria interim government in #Hatay issues formal decree asking for 18-50 y.o volunteers to enlist for fight vs #YPG

    https://twitter.com/GissiSim/status/955785652225892352


    It is because Afrin is a SYRIAN territory. So Syrians should fight for it. Turkey does just the support work and intervene in critical situations.

    Very first mistake of anybody here would be thinking that Turkey is an occupant like Yanks. Yanks came here to settle, Turks went there to eliminate unibrows. Once a political solution is achieved and a fully operational government in Syria is formed, Turkey will leave, and is not willing to stay.

    First of all, current government in Damascus is responsible of many civilian casualities, humanitarian crimes and so on. I do not say that opposing side is milk-white,they are also responsible of many things. At the end, belligerents in this war can not be fully legitimate, everybody should accept this, Russia/Iran Turkey everyone. There are 3.5 million Syrians in Turkey escaped from Assadist oppression. How will Assad treat them? Kill them, rape them? Nobody knows.

    Russians also know that. They know that Assad can not live without Russian support. So I belive they will not support Assad all the way. You will actually see this. Assad is Iran's obsession against Sunni population. It is not a concern for Russia.

    However, there are still many problems for a political solution. Opposition is not unified, basically Turkey can not simply make them on a chair, and negotiate seriously. So until that time comes, Turkey lets them fight against non Syrian occupants.

    I fully know that Russian statemen are more clever and intelligent than some biased and blind people here, we all know who they are. Especially latest Afrin event has shown that actually these biased guys are just talking shit.Completely out of reality.

    If you start doing things without taking reality into consideration, you will fail. It is how ISIS, Nusra, PKK and especially these guys in this forum fails.

    Turkey builds post offices, hospitals, schools and etcetera for Syrians. They are all in Arabic and Turkish is added for military personnel only. Turks are not willing to stay there because it is a big economical burden. Just let people be able to live and make sure PKK is not settling in.

    But look Yanks do

    They immediately start to build airbases, military bases, deployed very sophisticated arms and supplied these to PKK unibrows.Most sophisticated weapons supplied by Turkey to FSA are some armored vehicles and some ATGMs. USA supplies MANPADS to PKK. It is clear that it is against an airforce. Whose? Nobody knows.

    Be clever. If you let US to grow by any means you will suffer. Turkey can just leave and pretend as if Americans are friendly, even if we know they are not. But Iran/Russia can not.

    At the end of the day, you might be alone, if you behave this much biased.

    But, thank God, Russia is not being governed by some shit-filled minds.

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    Post  calm Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:46 pm

    Rats complaining because they are treated like dogs by their masters.

    Problems between Turkish-backed rebels(&Turkish fighters) reported in Azaz.
    Failed infiltration attempt on Efrîn brought back 15 bodies.
    Some rebels refuse to fight, they complain about "Turkish officers drinking tea in their offices".

    https://t.co/35dXXuLc0k
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    Post  The Ottoman Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:37 pm

    calm wrote:^

    Just 2 dead on Turkish side(army).

    I am talking about Turkish backed terrorists not about army.

    As long as rats on bouth sides are dying that is a good bisnis for Syria/Russia. Let them bleed and then attack them one by one. Kurds, or Turkish backed terrorists, there is no difference in Damascus eyes. All are illegal armed formations on Syrian territory and will be dealt with accordingly.


    Ok, excuses me. Then I agree with you. How more FSA-towelheads and YPG-rats dies, the better for the future of the Middle East.

    I heard yesterday that there was 1 dead Turkish soldier, but maybe I am wrong. I read also reports and saw videos of Turkish army advancing rapidly. The YPG-resistance is much more easier than the ISIS-resistance of Al-Bab a few years ago. I think that the Western and Turkish Press overestimated the Kurds.

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    Post  zorobabel Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:45 pm

    I'll admit, the Kurds are holding up better than I expected.
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    Post  The Ottoman Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:47 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Turkey should throw all those AQ rats to the fire to finish up whatever it is that they are dong up there in Afrin and to keep their military casualties low. Syria cleans up Idlib from AQ in the meantime and Russia saves fuel and bombs while improving economic and diplomatic ties with Turkey.

    Win-win-win for everyone.

    I agree.

    Turkey must trow whole the FSA in the battle frontlines and must not make the mistake of Operation Euphrates Shield, where in the FSA-scums fled and the Turks lost more than 60 soldiers.

    I read yesterday that the YPG is allowing ISIS-scum to transport to Afrin to fight against the Turks. I dont know if that is true, but it wont be a suprise because the masters of both groups are in Washington.


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    Post  The Ottoman Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:28 pm

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    Good that this British terrorist is gone, but question is how a dead body can be transferred through enemy territories for PYD?

    Afrin has no link to Manbij. They used Euprates Shied area or regime conrolled area and how it's possible?

    This question's answer shows how they are able to transfer Us-delivered weapons from Manbij to Afrin.
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    Post  eehnie Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:22 pm

    Russia, Syria and their allies win nothing with a Turkish Golan in Northern Syria. This is negative for all them.

    It means that is likely that military help from Syria begins to move toward the Kurds of Afrin.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:50 pm


    Dodgy sources so use salt for now Exclamation


    Russian soldiers and Syrian border guards withdraw from Arimah, Manbij according to local sources (twitter.com)

    https://twitter.com/ilyassafavi/status/955849952751751169



    Russian and Regime Forces have withdrawn from the frontline between SDF and Euphrates Shield groups Southwest of Manbij

    https://twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/955880294233583617
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    Post  The Ottoman Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:19 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Dodgy sources so use salt for now  Exclamation


    Russian soldiers and Syrian border guards withdraw from Arimah, Manbij according to local sources (twitter.com)

    https://twitter.com/ilyassafavi/status/955849952751751169



    Russian and Regime Forces have withdrawn from the frontline between SDF and Euphrates Shield groups Southwest of Manbij

    https://twitter.com/VivaRevolt/status/955880294233583617


    Hmm. So thats why Erdogan screamed ''Not only Afrin, we will also go to Manbij!''.

    The Kurds are right when they said that Russia is together with Turkey on this. But attacking Manbij doesn’t make sense right now. Better option would be Qamisli. If you take that area you cut supply lines to Manbij. As far as I know YPG gets all of her supplies from KRG in Iraq.

    Turkish army has liberated 11 towns/villages so far, but there are a total of 250 villages/towns in Afrin.
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    Post  calm Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:36 am

    eehnie wrote:Russia, Syria and their allies win nothing with a Turkish Golan in Northern Syria. This is negative for all them.

    It means that is likely that military help from Syria begins to move toward the Kurds of Afrin.

    SAA already allowed Kurds to move in Afrin through government territory. They have enough of manpower in Raqqa, Hasakah, Deir Ez Zor to bleed the Turks and their terrorists enough. When all that is over, SAA will finish with Idbilstan and move on to Kurds who will submit to government rule.

    So this now is win-win for SAA.


    Kurds getting ready to move to help, from Hasakah.
    Only way is trough SAA territory. Even that is too much from SAA, remembering how Kurds stabbed SAA in Hasaka and Deir Ez Zor.

    1000s of Self Defense Forces (HXP) of the local administration in Rojava preparing to go to Afrin.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:04 am

    calm wrote:
    Kurds getting ready to move to help, from Hasakah. 

    Only way is trough SAA territory. Even that is too much from SAA, remembering how Kurds stabbed SAA in Hasaka and Deir Ez Zor.

    SAA should allow them to pass provided that each gets to carry one rifle​, one magazine of ammo and one pair of sunglasses. Everything else stays behind including sandwiches.

    Gotta keep it interesting. Cool
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    Post  The Ottoman Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:07 am

    Very good PR from the Kurdo-Yanks. They are even better than the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Smile

    A lot of flags, posing for the cameras, heroic stories about their struggle against ISIS and marxist bullcrap about equality.

    We saw them a few months ago when the Iraqi army captured the northern territories.

    Look below how some of these rats are captured by the FSA yesterday.

    Turks know PKK-YPG better than every one else. They are a gloriefied crew, heroized by Western Media.

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    Post  The Ottoman Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:12 am


    '260 terrorists neutralized' in Operation Olive Branch

    PKK/KCK/PYD-YPG, Daesh terrorists among those neutralized, Turkish military says

    Turkey, world, todays headlines  23.01.2018  Diyar Güldoğan  Ankara  
     

    By Sinan Uslu

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    ANKARA

    At least 260 PKK/KCK/PYD-YPG and Daesh terrorists have been neutralized since the beginning of Operation Olive Branch in Syria, Turkish General Staff said Tuesday.

    In a statement, the military said Turkey carried out this operation under international law and Article 51 of the UN Charter and respecting Syrian territorial integrity.


    It added the operation targets terrorists and their shelters, positions, arms and equipment. Precautions were being taken to prevent civilians and innocents from being harmed in the operation.

    It also said the number of martyred soldiers increased to three after a soldier was martyred during clashes with terrorists in the operation. It added one soldier was also injured in the clash.

    Turkey on Saturday launched Operation Olive Branch to clear PYD/PKK and Daesh terrorists from Afrin, northwestern Syria.

    According to the military, the operation aims to establish security and stability along Turkish borders and the region as well as protect Syrians from terrorist oppression and cruelty.

    The operation is being carried out under the framework of Turkey's rights based on international law, UN Security Council resolutions, its self-defense rights under the UN charter, and respect for Syria's territorial integrity, it said.

    The military has also said it is putting "utmost importance" on not harming any civilians.

    Afrin has been a major hideout for the PYD/PKK since July 2012, when the Assad regime in Syria left the city to the terror group without putting up a fight.

    http://aa.com.tr/en/todays-headlines/260-terrorists-neutralized-in-operation-olive-branch/1040422
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:37 am

    Pictures of US donated MRAPs full of SDF Kurds on the way to fight the Turks would not be appreciated in Washington methinks.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:10 am

    eehnie wrote:Russia, Syria and their allies win nothing with a Turkish Golan in Northern Syria. This is negative for all them.

    It means that is likely that military help from Syria begins to move toward the Kurds of Afrin.


    I never understand why Turks are so delusional with Erdogan intentions in Syria...
    He have been aiding ISIS and ALqaeda ,just like United States and Saudi Arabia..
    Turkey was a key player in the capture of Alqaeda of IDLIB... For many years Turkey have been
    the #1 base of terrorist from Qatar /US and Saudi Arabia to enter in Syria.. and Iranian media
    and Russia media have been all the time saying that Turkey is aiding ISIS and Alqaeda..
    with evidence and reports of it...

    Erdogan only made a truce with Putin.. purely for economic convenience.. after its economy began to Hurt very bad ,with Russia sanctions on its tourism industry and after seeing Americans increasing their aid to KUrds..
    So exactly like you said.. Russia ,neither Syria have nothing to win with Turkey invading Northen Syria . If Erdogan
    really was so heartful and wanted to help.. he will listen Russia and restore relations with Syria.. and respect
    the territorial sovereignty of them. Americans provide weapons to the kurds east of euprates.. and Erdogan is invading
    only the Kurds closer to Syria coast and Russia military ,those Kurds are are closer to the Syrian government.


    So only very naive people ,will think Erdogan is doing anything in Syria for good will.. he only wants a major piece of
    land from Syria and to take control of all Kurdish controlled zones and take control of the Oil resources under control of Kurdish territory. And only Turkey represent a major threat for Russia in the zone not the kurds.. Since TUrkey
    historically have been used by the west ,not only now..but even during Russian Empire times... as a meat shield to fight Russia. So from Russia point of view ,a strong Kurdish force , that can counter Turkey is a good thing..and not
    a bad one.. but this force needs to be one that is close to Russia and not to US. Turkey and Russia are very old
    enemies.. and Erdogan is only giving some concessions to Russia ,in light the ERdogan is afraid of being totally
    isolated in the world.. not liked by NATO and neither by Europe and neither by IRAN or Russia.
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    Post  Arctic_Fox Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:19 am

    How can anyone be against Turkey's operation?
    I just cant see other way of dealing with the Kurds, the US goals are pretty clear about dividing Syria to use against Iran and build their precious pipeline.
    I know Turkey really messed up downing a russian plane, but now looks like they're free from Washington influence (since the failed coup).
    The olive branch operation is just so handy to Russia, think about it there's no way Russia or SAA attack the Kurds, imagine the consequences of it, Washington could even retaliate directly against SAA, And the media wouldn't shut up for months ( I know it's a cliche but, sorry for my terrible english)
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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:20 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    eehnie wrote:Russia, Syria and their allies win nothing with a Turkish Golan in Northern Syria. This is negative for all them.

    It means that is likely that military help from Syria begins to move toward the Kurds of Afrin.


    I never understand why Turks are so delusional with Erdogan intentions in Syria...
    He have been aiding ISIS and ALqaeda ,just like United States and Saudi Arabia..
    Turkey was a key player in the capture of Alqaeda of IDLIB... For many years Turkey have been
    the #1 base of terrorist from Qatar /US and Saudi Arabia to enter in Syria.. and Iranian media
    and Russia media have been all the time saying that Turkey is aiding ISIS and Alqaeda..
    with evidence and reports of it...

    Erdogan only made a truce with Putin.. purely for economic convenience.. after its economy began to Hurt very bad ,with Russia sanctions on its tourism industry and after seeing Americans increasing their aid to KUrds..
    So exactly like you said.. Russia ,neither Syria have nothing to win with Turkey invading Northen Syria . If Erdogan
    really was so heartful and wanted to help.. he will listen Russia and restore relations with Syria.. and respect
    the territorial sovereignty of them. Americans provide weapons to the kurds east of euprates.. and Erdogan is invading
    only the Kurds closer to Syria coast and Russia military ,those Kurds are are closer to the Syrian government.


    So only very naive people ,will think Erdogan is doing anything in Syria for good will.. he only wants a major piece of
    land from Syria and to take control of all Kurdish controlled zones and take control of the Oil resources under control of Kurdish territory. And only Turkey represent a major threat for Russia in the zone not the kurds.. Since TUrkey
    historically have been used by the west ,not only now..but even during Russian Empire times... as a meat shield to fight Russia. So from Russia point of view ,a strong Kurdish force , that can counter Turkey is a good thing..and not
    a bad one.. but this force needs to be one that is close to Russia and not to US. Turkey and Russia are very old
    enemies.. and Erdogan is only giving some concessions to Russia ,in light the ERdogan is afraid of being totally
    isolated in the world.. not liked by NATO and neither by Europe and neither by IRAN or Russia.

    There are no 2 YPG's. There's a single YPG and that's the flaw of the argument that somehow Afrin YPG is closer to Russia than SDF YPG being closer to America. Only someone ignorant, or purposefully naive in an effort to push a narrative says such rubbish.

    Hence why Russia gave the go ahead - of which they did and can not be ignored...despite what Eehnie wishes to believe in his alternative reality. Erdogan is a piece of shit and the Turks in general have been - the power structure that is... but they at least can recognize when they make mistakes. You'll need more information than publicly available to really know true Turkish intentions and plans with this Operation - the sort of info only intelligence agencies along with good analyst can provide. The Russians failed to acquire Afrin for Assad... at this point, at the very least you're switching occupants. TFSA is still easier to dispose than the Kurds overall. The Kurds are after all, an armed militia with separatist goals - thus an enemy of the state (despite what a convenient "truce" might project - it's simply the reflection of the weakness of Assad/and Allies in its failure to dispose a difficult foe efficiently).

    If one is to speculate there must be a deal in place for Afrin...that deal will not be disclosed and only Russia/Iran/Assad can judge on its fulfillment (if Turkey backstabs or not). Knowing the Turks, they'll prob push the limits of the deal until they're slapped in the hand.

    To Artic: They're not free of Washington's influence, not even close. They'll make up eventually, and it should be expected. It will actually be a very smart thing to do. The Turks will ditch the West when the West decay depraves it of its teeth and claws with which to draw serious blood. It's a slow process. The West being mainly Washington/Canada/Britain.

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