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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:33 am

    Of course the appropriate response would be to assassinate Poroshenko. Russia will not do that. Russia will do nothing. Russia will say a few words and then Zakharchenko will be forgotten.

    How about working out who specifically did this first... many here are blaming Poro, but it could just as easily have been the CIA, or indeed British Intelligence...

    Escalation is not the solution... especially as elections approach... Poro wanted Trump to visit to boost his chances of election and he sent Bolton instead... a Russian invasion would be a god send for Poro because he will be fighting the evil Russians... defending all of europe from communism...

    It is better that Poro is removed by the Ukrainian people and someone else gets elected... if the new person wants to talk then that is good... if they want to continue the artillery and bullshit, then voting in the donbass can start to either become autonomous, or join the Russian federation... or live under constant bombardment from what should nominally be their government in Kiev.

    The Americans have already proven to be fuckin idiots... the took out Saddam and removed the Sunnis from power in Iraq because they were afraid of Iran... which meant democracy for Iraq so the Shia majority have taken over and are friendly with Iran. They funded extremist terrorists in Syria because they feared that Assad was too friendly with Iran and now Iranian forces are actually in Syria helping Assad becoming quite critical to his future position... along of course with Russia.

    So US moves to push Iran back have actually allowed them to expand their influence in the region they never could have dreamed of without US interference.

    In the Ukraine the US took out a leader that was in no way pro Russian... he just recognised the Russian and Chinese deal was way better than the EU offer, so they overthrew an elected government in the hope they could kick the Russians out of Sevastopol and park their NATO ships there... but they didn't plan it very well and Russia stepped in and made the best of a very stupid and dangerous situation and made the best of it...

    The huge irony of course is that the Crimean penninsula has changed hands many many times... by the blade of a sword, the muzzle of a gun, and the annexation by a leader of a communist country (Krushchev). They had several referendums that were totally ignored by the various governments in Kiev where they wanted autonomy, but now they got a real free vote and they made a choice and the west claims it is illegal and void... well why should anyone at all trust the west if they are going to ignore all of their own morals and values because they don't conform to their current interests.

    BTW Vann... fantastic post... Putin is still a moron but he is doing the right thing... keep it up buddy... jocolor clown respekt
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:41 am

    How do you predict next 5-10 years in Ukraine?

    Already 2 mln Ukrainians have moved to Russia, 1 mln to Poland, over 100k to Czechia and Slovakia and on the top the birth rate is catastrophically low.

    That crisis is only going to worse in upcoming years. Soon there may be no young people left.
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    Post  par far on Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:27 pm

    "US Encouraging the Division of Ukraine along Religious Lines."

    https://southfront.org/us-encouraging-the-division-of-ukraine-along-religious-lines/
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:37 am

    But surely their promise of a democratic utopia applies to all parts of the Ukraine and not just select parts...
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:52 pm

    Article on IT regarding the ownership of the BUK missile that brought down MH17!

    Serial numbers of missile that downed MH17 show it was produced in 1986, owned by Ukraine - Russia

    The serial numbers found on debris of the Buk missile which downed Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine show it was produced in 1986, the Russian military said. The projectile was owned by Ukraine, they added.
    There are two serial numbers found on fragments of the missile, which shot down the passenger airliner in June 2014 according to an international team of investigators led by the Netherlands. The numbers were marked on the engine and the nozzle of the missile.

    The Russian military on Monday said they had traced them to a missile which had the producer serial number 8868720.

    Speaking to journalists, Gen. Nikolay Parshin showed a document trail of the Buk missile. According to the documents, some of which have been declassified for the presentation, it was produced at a military plant in Dolgoprudny in the Moscow region in 1986.

    The missile was shipped from the plant on December 29, 1986 and delivered to military unit 20152 located in what is now Ukraine. It is now called 223rd anti-aircraft defense regiment of the Ukrainian armed forces, the report said. The unit took part in Kiev's crackdown on rebels in eastern Ukraine in June 2014, the general said.

    The evidence disproves the accusations by Ukraine and some other parties, which claim that a missile fired by a launcher, secretly delivered from Russia, was responsible for the downing of MH17, the Ministry of Defense report said. All the materials have been sent to the Dutch investigators, the Russian military added.

    The Russian military also challenges video footage used by the UK-based group Bellingcat, which calls itself a citizen journalism organization, to back its allegations about the delivery of the Buk launcher from Russia. The Defense Ministry showed a video clip with some of the footage, highlighting inconsistencies, which it said proved that the footage had been manipulated to place images of the launcher into background which were not in the original.

    The Bellingcat investigation was featured in the latest update by Dutch prosecutors involved in the MH17 investigation, prompting the Russian military to study it in detail, they said. The Russian video showed an example of how an Abrams tank can be shown to be carried by a trailer in the streets of Ukraine in the same way.

    The third part of the presentation was what the Russian officials called a record of intercepted communications of Ukrainian officials discussing, in 2016, the risk of flying through restricted airspace over Ukraine. Among a barrage of complaints one phrase says unless the restrictions are respected "we'll f***ing f**k up another Malaysian Boeing".

    The Russian military say the complaints came from Col. Ruslan Grinchak, who serves in a brigade responsible for radar control of the Ukrainian airspace. His unit tracked the MH17 flight in 2014, so he may have information which is not publicly available about the disaster.
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    Gen. Igor Konashenkov, who hosted the briefing, said that Ukraine failed to provide radar data from its stations to the Dutch investigators. He also suggested that archive documents from the Ukrainian unit, which received the Buk missile back in 1986, would be of use to the probe, unless Kiev claims that they are no longer available. He stressed rules are in place which mean that such documents should still be stored in Ukraine.

    The Russian military said they had no evidence to disprove a scenario, involving the Ukrainian rebels capturing the missile from the Ukrainian army, but pointed out that Ukrainian officials publicly denied anything like this had ever happened.

    Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 was shot down over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014, falling in the rebel-held part of the country. The crash claimed the lives of 283 passengers and 15 crew members, most of them Dutch nationals. Russia was blamed by Western media in the first days after the tragedy, even before any evidence had been collected on the ground.

    The Joint Investigation Team, which is lead by the Netherlands, includes Ukraine, but not Russia. Moscow believes that the investigation is biased, failing to obtain all necessary evidence from Ukraine and relying on questionable sources while ignoring evidence provided by Russia, which doesn't fit the theory favored by Kiev and its foreign sponsors.

    No doubt our feckless presstitite media bastards will endeavor to ignore this, or will call the Russian government liars....  Fucking Banderites are however caught with their pants down!  Laughing

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    Post  dino00 on Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:13 pm

    The Russian Mod always Said the Destruction was not compatible with a buk missille launch...now this?
    I obviously believe ir was the Ukranian Neo-nazis, but looks like the Russian Mod nas no idea what happened
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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:46 pm

    dino00 wrote:The Russian  Mod always Said the Destruction was not compatible with a buk missille launch...now this?
    I obviously believe ir was the Ukranian Neo-nazis, but looks like the Russian Mod nas no idea what happened

    Not exactly. MoD was working with limited info like everyone else so they presented data/info on multiple cases - air to air possibilities cause apparently a Su-25 was indeed in the area, same with a Su-27. Then there was the Buk Theory they also mentioned and so did Almaz Antey but they vehemently said it wasn't theirs, etc etc. It was about last year or so they also mentioned based upon Almaz Antey findings that it wasn't their Buk so they came to same conclusion as AA. Then they decided to investigate the AA Buk system from its manufacturing start to finish to deployment.

    They weren't just basing off of 1 theory at start. Others have too.
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:34 am

    Almaz Antei noted that the shrapnel recovered was from an old style BUK missile that Russia no longer retained, but which the Ukrop maggots still used.

    They also made the claim that they disagreed with the DSB about the flight path of the missile based on the shrapnel distribution. The HATOstanis insisted the pattern located the launcher in rebel-held area, but AA countered that this was incorrect and most likely launch point was in regime-held territory.
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:44 pm


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    Since 2014, I've been asking the @usairforce when they'd beef up some aerial training opportunities w the Ukrainian military aside from the ongoing Guard and police training. Next month, F-15s, C-130s, tankers and MQ-9s will head to Ukraine for the first-ever Exercise Clear Sky:



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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:57 pm

    another of Putins brilliance - Turning Ukraine into a NATO vassal and another spearhead against Russia.
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    Post  Nibiru on Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:07 pm

    NATO  needs to shoot down a couple of Russian planes during the exercise to make it more realistic. Besides, Putin wouldn't dare retaliate and probably just blame the incident to a "string of unfortunate circumstances"   Laughing Laughing Laughing
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:29 pm

    Agreed. Or even bomb a Russian base or town along the border. Guarantee Putin will give major contracts to the country that did it.
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:04 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    dino00 wrote:The Russian  Mod always Said the Destruction was not compatible with a buk missille launch...now this?
    I obviously believe ir was the Ukranian Neo-nazis, but looks like the Russian Mod nas no idea what happened

    Not exactly.  MoD was working with limited info like everyone else so they presented data/info on multiple cases - air to air possibilities cause apparently a Su-25 was indeed in the area, same with a Su-27.  Then there was the Buk Theory they also mentioned and so did Almaz Antey but they vehemently said it wasn't theirs, etc etc.  It was about last year or so they also mentioned based upon Almaz Antey findings that it wasn't their Buk so they came to same conclusion as AA.  Then they decided to investigate the AA Buk system from its manufacturing start to finish to deployment.

    They weren't just basing off of 1 theory at start.  Others have too.

    You`re right, i read some articles and everithing makes sence...but was scary i was starting to think Nato+ Neonazis maybe were saying the truth...NAH! russia
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:53 am

    another of Putins brilliance - Turning Ukraine into a NATO vassal and another spearhead against Russia.

    How is this Putins fault... has Vann hacked your account?

    The Ukraine is fucked economically and politically... having NATO aircraft flying around their airspace wont change that... and wont keep them warm next winter...

    The EU will strip mine the country of everything of value and most of the young smart population will leave to go to said EU if they have not already done so.

    The Ukraine will become the new Albania of the EU, but remain fiercely anti Russian... a little loud barking dog on the border... that is of course assuming those in power remain in power at the next elections.

    Lets be clear the overthrown government was called Pro Russian, just like the west of the Ukraine is called pro Russian, but the reality is even the overthrown government wasn't actually pro Russian... they were going to take the Russian/Chinese offer of investment over the EU and western offer of loans because that was just the better deal. That government was by no stretch of the imagination pro Russia or pro Putin.

    Putin is not obliged to save the Ukraine or to get the Ukraine back. The only part of the Ukraine that was really Russian was the Crimea and they got that back and avoided the train wreck that currently is the Ukraine.

    I think it really comes down to the elections... who wins and if it can actually be proven to be a free and fair election will decide things.

    Some moderates might get in and kick out all the nazis and start investigations into the previous regime... but American citizens seem to have a lot of the cushy jobs there, and they will act against anyone who is actually interested in the future of the Ukraine. No new government will ever get the Crimea back of course... that is just stupid, but they might recover some of their economy by trading with Russia again and giving some autonomy to the eastern states...

    But the US spent 5 billion to buy an anti Russian country on Russias border and I doubt they will let it go now...
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    Post  Isos on Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:37 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/pmakela1/status/1042505382797692930

    T-80 going at Ukrainian border.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1042511116235145216

    T-62M too.
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    Post  VARGR198 on Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:28 pm

    Ukrainian Economist Oleg Soskin: "Without Western Handouts, the Kiev Regime Would Sink and Civil War Would Spread"
    http://www.stalkerzone.org/ukrainian-economist-oleg-soskin-without-western-handouts-the-kiev-regime-would-sink-and-civil-war-would-spread/
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:34 am

    So the opinion of a Ukrainian economist is that the current Ukrainian regime is dependent on loans from the west and that if those loans stop then civil war is likely... oh, and also all these organisations the west has been setting up to look into corruption (presumably Ukrainian corruption rather than western corruption) will start a civil war too...


    In other words the west is putting the Ukraine deep into debt... by the time they realise what sharks the west actually is it will be too late and the EU will step in and take management directly and strip the country of anything of value... like I said above in my previous post, and that anti corruption organisations are bad for the Ukraine because Ukraine runs on corruption...

    Yeah... Putin made a real mistake handing that grenade to the west... he clearly kept the pin though...

    Fill the place with NATO forces... when the place collapses into civil war I am sure they will do a fantastic job of keeping order.

    The real question is how quickly will the pro EU west of Ukraine realise they have been screwed by the west and realise that them Russians ain't so bad... hopefully never in my opinion.

    The sad thing is that it it the Ukrainians that will suffer for this, and EU bankers that will get their pick of rewards when it comes time to pay up...

    Look forward to hear how everything will be Putins fault when everything goes sideways... but then we have seen that... when in doubt a sudden mass Novichok attack that kills hundreds of thousands... who else could it possibly be?
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Sep 27, 2018 6:31 pm

    Major issue will be Donbass and Lughansk. These regions need their independence. Ukraine will forever be kept alive by pittance and Russia should know this by now. A freeze in situation will still mean more deaths against Novorussia citizens and it's military. At least Russia should start by stating they will back Novorussia if Kiev bombs them and they (Novorussia so) bomb back.

    Outside of that, it just seems that Putin and Co are letting innocent people die so they don't have an uncomfortable position to act. But eventually they will have to cause it doesn't matter who is elected next in Ukraine - they will do same or worst.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:39 am

    I rather suspect Putin is hoping that the next election will either lead to bloodshed in Kiev... which could go one way or the other, or all sides will accept the results and a more reasonable person gets into power and this can be negotiated at a table without guns with a solution that is much more lasting...

    The bad guy here is not Russia that is not leaping into a bloody civil war on its border... the bad guy is in Kiev killing his own citizens... for not being nationalist nutters like he is.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:02 pm

    Schism in Ukraine continues. Several Ukrainian clergy of the Moscow Patriarchate are now listed on Myrotvorets website. Patriarch Onufry is receiving death threats from Ukro nationalists.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:31 pm

    GarryB wrote:I rather suspect Putin is hoping that the next election will either lead to bloodshed in Kiev... which could go one way or the other, or all sides will accept the results and a more reasonable person gets into power and this can be negotiated at a table without guns with a solution that is much more lasting...

    The bad guy here is not Russia that is not leaping into a bloody civil war on its border... the bad guy is in Kiev killing his own citizens... for not being nationalist nutters like he is.

    Ahahahahahahahaha

    Do you know who is so far winning the popularity votes? "Nuke Russia" Tymoshenko. Porkchopshenko is second.

    There isn't a single person running that is considered level headed. There is zero people for Russia to work with in Kiev. Especially with US citizens working in Kiev government, don't expect them to allow anyone with a level head to run for president

    Recall how they banned the Communist party? Because they know they would win so they have no chance of running.

    And if there was no revolution in last 3 years over the growing issues in the country, don't expect one to happen at all. Most are voting with their feet so all that's left will be poor people too afraid to do anything, or banderist retards.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:18 pm

    Take all the nazis in "Ukraine" and bring them to Canada. Problem solved. Treadeu is already a nazi bitch so he wouldn´t have any problem to bend over for them.
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    Post  Regular on Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:20 pm

    Hole wrote:Take all the nazis in "Ukraine" and bring them to Canada. Problem solved. Treadeu is already a nazi bitch so he wouldn´t have any problem to bend over for them.
    Nazi bitch? He is leftist scum sucking on brown refugee cocks. Very weak person. Ukrainian nazis are misguided idiots. They should fight against any EU integration and they should fight for existance of white race, not kill fellow whites. It's fucking pathetic to see these provincial pseudo nazis that have warped ideology that is so out of touch with bigger picture
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:26 am

    Do you know who is so far winning the popularity votes? "Nuke Russia" Tymoshenko. Porkchopshenko is second.

    You mean like Hilary was winning the 2016 election... until she lost.

    Once the elections are complete the eastern parts of the Ukraine can decide whether they want to stick to the ship, or get off... either as independent states or join the Russian Federation.

    Until then speculation is pointless.
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    Post  VARGR198 on Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:24 pm

    Ukrainans Stole a kilometer of railway lines near Donetsk
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