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    Commercial/Private Space Industry Projects: News and Updates

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:28 pm

    kvs wrote:Now we see the real prices for transport to and from space.    Reality has a habit of asserting itself sooner or later.


    Yep, and the extrapolation of this is clearly that the "SpaceX Miracle" is nothing of the sort.  Musks success at securing billions of dollars of subsidies from the clueless US taxpayer is NOT reducing aggegate costs to orbit for the industry as a whole.  Overall launch cadence hasn't increased, and costs to orbit are still astronomical (pun intended).

    The private space "miracle" will end up as a counterpart to the busted "shale oil" flop.  Nothing but Enron-style deception and fakery. No more efficient or cost-effective than publically funded space, but much less accountable and with zero effective transparency.  Laughing


    Hole wrote:Great news for Russia. Roskosmos is much cheaper. Some western companies will come back to launch their stuff with russian rockets.

    Maybe, but if Russia proves too successful the West will simply sabotage their launch industry by denying permission to transport Western-origin components to Russia (or China) for launch - they will invoke some BS like "national security" concerns like they did with Hwawei, or double down on Navalny-related shitfuckery to impose sanctions. They have done it before and will do it again if it suits them.  Fucking reptiles and arrogant greedy sociopathic cultural-chauvenists...  they simply cannot be trusted.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:58 am

    SN11 explodes in flight.... loving it Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:53 am

    Blue Origins releases a graphic that canes Musks nonsensical "Starship".  Laughing Laughing

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    Why anyone is so fecking stoopid as to take "Starship" at face value is just baffling.

    FFS, the Saturn V could only just get the Apollo stack into lunar orbit, and could only get the CM back on terra firma, yet Musk is going to fly a huge silo to the moon, land it, take off again, and return the entire vehicle to Earth in a condition to refuel and do it again??????

    Laughing  x infinity and beyond

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    Post  Hole Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:56 am

    And there are still people talking shit about Rogozin. Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:42 pm

    The Russian space corporation "Success Rockets" will launch a suborbital rocket in November. 

    The private Russian space corporation Success Rockets will launch a NEBO 25 suborbital rocket from a test site in the Astrakhan Region in November as part of The bear wakes up mission. This was reported to TASS by the press service of the corporation.

    "The NEBO 25 suborbital rocket will be launched in November this year by the private Russian space corporation Success Rockets from the test site in the Astrakhan region. The goal of the upcoming launch is to set a new national record for flight altitude among private companies" – the press service noted.

    Success Rockets explained that the mission's task is to overcome an altitude of 20 km, receive telemetry information throughout the flight, collect and record all the necessary indicators on board the rocket and make a safe landing. The NEBO 25 rocket is a single-stage solid-fuel rocket. Its length is 3.5 m, caliber-110 mm, starting weight-65 kg. The rocket has been developed since August 2020.

    "The rocket will be equipped with a jet engine with a full pulse of 50 kN/sec. The engine will run for eight seconds. The rocket will have to accelerate to twice the speed of sound (2 M) and overcome an altitude of 20 km. Two search telemetry modules will be installed on the rocket from the telemetry equipment. The task of this equipment is primarily to transmit the coordinates of the rocket's location for its further search" – the press service quoted the words of the founder and CEO of Success Rockets Oleg Mansurov.

    The press service clarified that earlier Success Rockets conducted fire tests of the engine and launched a prototype of a suborbital rocket. "To date, the rocket engine developed by the corporation is the most powerful among private companies in Russia" – the press service stressed.

    Success Rockets reported that the company's first suborbital mission was called The bear wakes up, which refers to the image of a bear, which is often associated with Russia in the world. The emblems and chevrons of the first Success Rockets mission were developed jointly with the British Higher School of Design.
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    About Success Rockets. 

    According to the CEO of Success Rockets Mansurov, the corporation's mission is to make space affordable and profitable. "To do this, we need to provide conditions for frequent launches of small satellites, so that flights into space are regular. Our ultralight missiles solve exactly this task" – the press service quotes him as saying.

    In October 2020, Success Rockets told TASS that it plans to offer its ultralight launch vehicles to potential customers for satellite launches. The maximum cost of one launch, depending on the type of missiles, will be $2.8 million.

    The corporation plans to produce platforms for creating satellites for various purposes. The SKIBR-CUB platform will be designed to create CubeSat satellites (ultra-small devices) that can be used for scientific and educational purposes, as well as for optical remote sensing of the Earth with a resolution of up to five meters and providing the Internet of Things.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:44 pm

    Space Adventures no longer plans to send tourists into space on the Crew Dragon ship

    The combination of price, timeline and experience was not optimal when the mission was offered to potential clients, and the contract with SpaceX expired

    In other words, the price was too high considering the short time in orbit and the lousy conditions (cooped up in a can for 4 days with a malfunctioning toilet).  Roskosmos has a space station to rendezvous with and something for their orbital tourists to actually see and experience.  Even millionaires aren't interested in spending a fortune to replicate what the Gemini astronauts did in the 60s.  

    Who would have guessed that SpaceX couldn't deliver on its inflated promises?  Twisted Evil

    source

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    Post  George1 Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:39 pm

    The launch of the Soyuz MS-20 spacecraft to the ISS with two space tourists is scheduled for December 8, with the flight lasting 12 days

    https://tass.com/science/1363745

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:29 am

    Being up there for 12 days is more of an experience for all that preparation and work than half an hour of weightlessness.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:29 am

    Things are not happy in the Exceptionalist Musk Utopia...   Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    https://spaceexplored.com/2021/11/29/spacex-raptor-crisis/

    Just so much good stuff in this article, even if its chock full of retarded fan-boism & belated efforts to dispell the sense of doom... at last it's becoming obvious that SpaceX is built on shakey ground and that far form a "100 billion dollar company" it is the aerospace industries version of Enron!!  You just can't make this shit up....   cheers

    In an email sent to SpaceX employees, obtained by Space Explored, Elon Musk addressed the ‘crisis’ of Starship Raptor engine production and said the company could face a ‘genuine risk of bankruptcy’ if the company is unable to achieve a Starship flight rate of once every two weeks next year.



    Full email from Elon to SpaceX employees
    Unfortunately, the Raptor production crisis is much worse than it had seemed a few weeks ago. As we have dug into the issues following the exiting of prior senior management, they have unfortunately turned out to be far more severe than was reported. There is no way to sugarcoat this.

    I was going to take this weekend off, as my first weekend off in a long time, but instead, I will be on the Raptor line all night and through the weekend.

    Unless you have critical family matters or cannot physically return to Hawthorne, we will need all hands on deck to recover from what is, quite frankly, a disaster.

    The consequences for SpaceX if we can not get enough reliable Raptors made is that we then can’t fly Starship, which means we then can’t fly Starlink Satellite V2 (Falcon has neither the volume nor the mass to orbit needed for satellite V2). Satellite V1, by itself, is financially weak, while V2 is strong.

    In addition, we are spooling up terminal production to several million units per year, which will consume massive capital, assuming that satellite V2 will be on orbit to handle the bandwidth demand. These terminals will be useless otherwise.

    What it comes down to, is that we face a genuine risk of bankruptcy if we can’t achieve a Starship flight rate of at least once every two weeks next year.

    Thanks,

    Elon


    Thats it, these fakers are now officially cooked.  There is ZERO chance that they will be launching orbital missions of Starshit every two weeks.... Razz

    Bye bye Musk.  Its been fun laughing at you! It will even more fun watching the ensuing collapse and the howls of the inconsolable true-believers who willingly chose to abandon rational thought and to openly embrass his Kult of Personality and partake of life-threatening quantities of the US Exceptionalist Private-Enterprise Kool-Aid.

    Maybe Musk will try to do what Clinton did... blame Russians Razz

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    Post  lancelot Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:37 am

    Starship was always a massive gamble.

    The Falcon 9 FT is already about as large as the heaviest rockets in mainline use today like the Proton-M, Ariane 5, and Long March 5.
    That is even without considering things like the Falcon 9 Heavy. Few payloads use this rocket. Perhaps it needs a launch or two a year.

    Larger rockets have historically not been cost competitive since there is just no demand for them. For that reason the Saturn V rocket was dismissed from service, as was Energia. While the N1 rocket failed in its development because it just cost too much. One of the major reasons for the N1 rocket failing was that they never got the total reliability of the system to be good enough. It had 30 complex staged combustion first stage engines with all the plumbing associated with that. It had massive vibration and oscillation issues which were never solved properly. The Starship is supposed to have 33 first stage engines. These are also complicated staged combustion engines. If the vehicle is expendable they need to be able to mass produce those engines, which are quite expensive, making their business proposition of using this as a platform to launch huge low orbit satellite constellations a bit sketchy. If the rocket is expendable and they want to make a launch every two weeks, well, just do the math. 52 weeks a year. That is 858 engines a year just for the first stage alone. Compare that with something like Ariane 5. It has a single liquid first stage engine and it launches like half a dozen times a year. It is also a much simpler and cheaper gas generator engine.

    I think they should have scaled down their program and tried to make a replacement for Falcon 9 FT and Heavy with this more recent technology. Once that technology got reliable enough then maybe you could consider making the large rocket. This huge frankenrocket and the huge orbital constellation program was a step way too far. Even worse if you believe that email they already spent a huge amount expanding satellite manufacturing capacity assuming the rocket would work and be reusable. That is just a huge amount of money that just went out of the window if that is right. He might have just bankrupted the company.

    Even if every single piece of this worked correctly the assumption the huge constellation would pay itself off was always remote at best. Even Iridium only survives thanks to US government subsidies and it only has 82 satellites in orbit. Iridium has already went bankrupt more than once. OneWeb is going the same way. Starlink already has 1646 satellites in orbit.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:19 am

    F9H was a waste of time, a SHLV(-ish) rocket without an actual payload.  Launching 2x geostationary commsats in a single launch just doesn't cut it.  I won't be surprised if F9H doesn't launch again.

    The problem with Starshit is that the whole concept is just nonsense. A landing method that absolutely relies on starting 3 engines at low altitude and flawlessly performing a flip onto its tail just in time to perform a powered vertical landing?????  One mistake or an engine failure and every last person onboard is DEAD.

    NASA would never build a contraption like this, and not because they are too "conservative" or "burdened" with an "inflexible" or "inefficient" work culture, but simply because they are professionals with vast institutional experience, and who won't bend metal for badly conceived projects.  NASA isn't building the SLS booster cuz they think that Starshit will succeed.  The smart people in NASA (and the professionals in US rocket manufacturers) all know that Starshit is a non-starter, and that any US lunar or deep space capability will be 100% dependent upon SLS and Orion.

    Musk is a con-man, a hollow suit, a wind-bag full of his own importance and who knows how to blow smoke up the arses of the dumb herd cud-chewers so that they sit and stare at him with dewy-eyed adoration and feed his overwhelming ego. The history books will have very little to say about the man, other than the momentous hoax he perpetuated on an unthinking idol-seeking Murkan public. Razz

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    Post  lancelot Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:06 am

    F9 FT is a great rocket and is the market leader at the moment.
    So I would not say SpaceX has not done anything. Between that and the Dragon capsule I think they did ok.

    Musk is overhyped I agree. The guy who designed the Merlin engine was Tom Mueller. He supposedly also started the design for the Raptor engine. Tom Mueller was an engineer with huge experience building rocket engines at TRW. TRW built several highly advanced rocket engines for the US military. Several of which never entered service but supposedly passed bench tests. I guess he got tired of his projects never flying in actual rockets and that is why he went to SpaceX. But he has retired a couple years back. I suspect that is when the problems started.

    Anyway, the idea of rapid turnaround for rocket engines is something which has often been bandied around but never actually has been proven in practice other than in simplified suborbital prototypes like in the DC-X. Investing on satellites assuming you could get something like that to work without having a working vehicle was premature to say the least. Kerosene has always proven nasty for reuse, I assume that is why they went with Methane, but even Methane might not be clean enough.

    Don't worry about Elon. He has been selling his Tesla stock at the height of the electric car bubble. He will be obscenely rich regardless of what happens with SpaceX.

    He has also managed to make a lot more with less capital than Jeff Bezos with Blue Origin. Blue Origin was actually founded before SpaceX and they haven't done much of note. Unless you think that giant POGO stick of a rocket is relevant to actual spaceflight.

    SpaceX is viable as a business. Even if for whatever reason the company went bankrupt, after it was restructured they could probably happily live off Falcon 9 launches for a couple decades at least.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:32 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:... There is ZERO chance that they will be launching orbital missions of Starshit every two weeks....

    Anyone and their grandma would have told them that any reusable non-horizontal launch system would not be going anywhere near those launch rates


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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:51 pm

    The N1 was a moronic hack produced by political infighting in the Soviet space sector. Big red director egos sabotaged the project
    from the start. Handing off the design to some outfit that never built a rocket before has to be a joke. The resulting plumber's
    nightmare predictably shook itself into explosive failure. They did not even have the computer tech back around 1970s to
    simulate a design to reconcile all the vibration harmonics. Doing it on paper is insane.

    The really sad part about the N1 is that the URM concept was already proposed for years. They could have deployed the NK-33
    in reasonable clusters on identical modules. But this vastly more sane and superior route was killed off exactly because of mentally
    inadequate egos of red director hacks. The USSR never had a chance when such idiocy was cultivated and promoted. That it
    lasted so long is both a miracle and a result of many competent people managing to compensate and steer the system away from total
    collapse.


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    Post  George1 Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:04 pm

    Soyuz spacecraft carrying TASS reporter cosmonaut, Japanese tourists placed into orbit

    https://tass.com/science/1372485

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    Post  George1 Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:08 am

    MOSCOW, December 16. /TASS/. Roscosmos Chief Dmitry Rogozin instructed the Energia Space Rocket Corporation to work out a plan of building up the production of Soyuz MS manned spacecraft, the Roscosmos press office reported on Thursday.

    "I instruct the Energia Space Rocket Corporation to submit a specific plan of action to the state corporation Roscosmos on boosting the production capacities to manufacture up to four manned spaceships a year," the Roscosmos chief said.

    These measures are required to develop space tourism,
    the press office specified. For his part, the Roscosmos chief stressed that space tourism was yielding revenues that were channeled into the space industry modernization.


    https://tass.com/science/1376471

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