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    Commercial/Private Space Industry Projects: News and Updates

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:45 pm

    It only makes sense Rosatom continue to work with Roscosmos in launching their satellites and other stuff into space rather than trying it their own. Much cheaper. And its just better to use Vostochny rather than this.

    S7 should just forget Sea Launch at this point. Let Musk go bankrupt with Space X after the government handouts and tax exemptions run out.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:15 pm

    The russian military could use it. A flexible launch pad is not bad.

    The communications and command stuff was from the 90´s, it had to be replaced anyway. And the Zenith is gone, too. No great loss.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:11 pm

    Hole wrote:The russian military could use it. A flexible launch pad is not bad.

    The communications and command stuff was from the 90´s, it had to be replaced anyway. And the Zenith is gone, too. No great loss.

    Military wouldn't go anywhere near this thing

    They take their job seriously and unlike Roskosmos they have been demonstrating preference for dignity over the last decade or so

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:33 pm

    So there is the rig and the ship...

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    I am sure there should be a few things they could use these two platforms for... perhaps a radar platform for the base, and satellite tracking ship for the ship...
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:So there is the rig and the ship...

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    I am sure there should be a few things they could use these two platforms for... perhaps a radar platform for the base, and satellite tracking ship for the ship...

    Or maybe sell it to North Korea..
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    Post  Hole on Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:20 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Hole wrote:The russian military could use it. A flexible launch pad is not bad.

    The communications and command stuff was from the 90´s, it had to be replaced anyway. And the Zenith is gone, too. No great loss.

    Military wouldn't go anywhere near this thing

    They take their job seriously and unlike Roskosmos they have been demonstrating preference for dignity over the last decade or so


    Why? With militay equipment and personel on board there should be no problems.

    Yeah, Roskosmos is so shitty. For the last 20 years they brought more people into space then the rest of the world combined.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:16 pm

    Hole wrote:Why? With militay equipment and personel on board there should be no problems.

    And accomplish what exactly?

    Try (and fail) to some idiot who agreed to this look less dumb?

    Military already has all their launch needs covered and have been doing it competently for a decade now, unlike some others they have managed to absolve themselves, they don't need this misery again  



    Hole wrote:...Yeah, Roskosmos is so shitty. For the last 20 years they brought more people into space then the rest of the world combined.

    Soviet hand-me-downs have been been bringing people to space, Roskosmos is yet to chalk any accomplishment for themselves (other than international panhandling and making idiots of themselves)

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:20 am

    Or maybe sell it to North Korea..

    Perhaps Iran might want to buy it and then pay the Russians to replace all the bits the Americans took out with Russian gear... they could send the platform out into the Persian gulf... fit its lower structure with sonar systems to listen for US military ship traffic... they could use it for their version of Poseidon...

    Why? With militay equipment and personel on board there should be no problems.

    The military really don't have a use for such a launch system. If it could be converted to something else like a mobile sub floating base it might be interesting... I think they would struggle to find a use for it where it has enough value to warrant the chances needed to get it working again.

    Its primary use was commercial satellite launches... so it needs to be cost effective...

    I suspect the Americans are hoping the Russians will spend lots of money to fix it up and get into an operational state and then the US can just impose sanctions on any country whose companies launch payloads via this thing effectively making it a white elephant.

    The thing is that the tesla bubble is going to burst... most of Musks stuff is based on funding from the government and starter funding... when all that disappears because the US is broke then he is going to be in real trouble.

    High tech is high risk... right now I think airlines are in trouble... who would have thought that this time last year?

    Yeah, Roskosmos is so shitty. For the last 20 years they brought more people into space then the rest of the world combined.

    Some times all you actually need to do is get the job done without being flashy... the Russians are good at that.

    Soviet hand-me-downs have been been bringing people to space, Roskosmos is yet to chalk any accomplishment for themselves (other than international panhandling and making idiots of themselves)

    Despite about three economic collapses and lack of any money for rather long periods the Russians have managed to not only continue their own space programme, but also help the US and other countries get to the international space station... and before that they took people to Mir as well.

    BTW the system the Americans had to stop using because it was killing people was a cold war shitty hand-me-down too.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:07 am

    I thought about Nord Korea since the sea launch is already in that area and they already got some help from ukraine with ballistic rockets

    For Russia issue with it apparently is also that the new rocket that should replace the ukrainian one is still a few years away...


    Anyway, a couple of weeks ago I saw this ridiculous picture, claiming that SpaceX deliveries to LEO costs at least 2 and half times less than Soyuz...


    https://amp.reddit.com/r/space/comments/62n47j/cost_per_kg_leo_for_human_spaceflight/
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    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:52 pm

    Sea Launch to be restored at cost of about $470 mln

    KUBINKA /Moscow Region/, August 24. /TASS/. The floating spaceport Sea Launch, currently based at Russia’s Slavyanka port in the Primorye Territory, will be restored, which will require about 35 billion rubles (roughly $470 million), Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told the media on the sidelines of the Army-2020 forum on Monday.

    "Certainly, the Sea Launch will be restored. I had a discussion with the president on that score. I reported intermediate results achieved by the working group that was set up on my instructions," Borisov said.

    He added that the budget of breathing a new life into the Sea Launch was estimated at about 35 billion rubles ($470 million dollars). It will be commercially successful if at least five launches are made a year.

    "All this is possible," he said.

    "A week ago, I returned from Vladivostok where I had walked about the Sea Launch and the ship that serves as the site for assembling and testing the payload. It is a unique structure unparalleled in the world. Some have plans for building something similar. It would be very silly of us, if we decided against restoring the Sea Launch and using its services. Technically all this is possible."

    Borisov recalled that before the floating spaceport left its port Long Beach, California, the United States in accordance with its laws removed all equipment from the command ship and the floating platform.

    "It’s mostly equipment responsible for positioning, based on GPS technologies. We will be able to replace it with GLONASS solutions. As for the launch system itself, in other words, the equipment needed for bringing the rocket to and placing it at the launch pad and automatically fueling the tanks, all this is done through Russian technologies," Borisov said.

    In June, the CEO of Russia’s space corporation Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, said in his column in Forbes magazine that Russian specialists would have to exert considerable efforts to restore the floating spaceport Sea Launch to operation. He said that before its handover to the company S7 all space launch control equipment was dismantled. At the end of February, a co-owner of S7 and chairman of the company’s board, Vladislav Filyov, told Kommersant in an interview that the Sea Launch project, the command ship and the platform, redeployed to the Far East in March, had been frozen until things got better.

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    Post  kvs on Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:18 pm

    That is rather good news. It creates jobs and spurs technological development. It also gives Russia a low latitude launch option for
    Zenit or Soyuz-5 class (RD-170 main stage engine) size rockets which can carry more payload than the Soyuz.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:51 am

    Anyway, a couple of weeks ago I saw this ridiculous picture, claiming that SpaceX deliveries to LEO costs at least 2 and half times less than Soyuz...

    Take away the subsidies and the fact that that cost is based on actually reusing it more than 30 times per rocket when by their own figures they are not reusing them very much at all and you would get very different numbers.

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