I put it here because I don't want to diluted the Armenian - Azerbaijan conflict topic.
miketheterrible wrote:The 90's showed exactly what I, Papa and others have said - diversity is a weakness, not a strength. When people view themselves as different, they will in turn start to believe in quasi nationalism where they view themselves as superior and "why are we part of this nation if they are different from us". Chechnya did this and also committed atrocities that dwarf whatever happened in the US.
No, diversity doesn't work especially when you got cultures that contradict your own and own laws. As well, as long as human greed and stupidity exists, so will the ideas of racism will too. And no, many cultural groups are far more racist than average whites and I see this every day where I am in a diverse country. Vietnam, where you are from isn't a diverse country. So you don't get to state what works and what doesn't when;
1) USSR failure and events shortly after proved me correct
2) I am in a diverse country of Canada which I see racism live and well in the minority groups and trying to all strip rights of others away to push the crap they left their country for, here.
So spare me your lack of knowledge and experience in this
Just because the West promoted a selfish, naccrisist version of "minority rights" to break Russia aparts, that does not mean all kinds of minority rights is inherently bad like that. Just because "minority rights" in Canada is degenerated does not means elsewhere of the world is the same. Or Canada will be the same forever.
Why don't you just try once to reclaim the true value of "minority rights" and rescue it from the depravity and selfishness of Western capitalism ? Rejecting minority rights get you to nowhere except provide a good excuse for the Western propaganda machine to continue their calumniation campaign.
Sorry we have not experienced multiculturalism at the level of you. But we experienced cultural oppression. We know exactly what happened when a nation is oppressed by other power. And by the way Vietnam is a little bit more diverse than you think, even within the Kinh majority there is not completely homogenous in lifestyle, thinking, and even dialects. And we experienced quite a number of issues of the ethnic minorities, too, all these issues are being solved by solidarity, not by forcing a Vietnamese chauvinism on the minorities.
GarryB wrote:Well I can understand what he is doing... should state funded schools support every little ethnic language and culture... my brother is a teacher and he had parents complaining that their children have no manners.... why isn't he teaching them manners. He is a high school teacher and basically said we only have them from 9am to 3pm... you have them the rest of the time.
From my experiences the teachers do teach the manners to the pupils, and in some school I see that the teachers are very strict on the students. Parents are obligated to be the main factor in teaching ethics and morality to their own children, but that does not mean the teacher just stay there and coldly watch. Teachers are not simply people who transfer knowledge. They are the second father, "the father in the school". The student is expected to respect their teachers similar to their own fathers and the teachers are expect to be responsible as the real fathers.
You can't tell a child to only mimics their biological parents and not mimics the person who teach them in the schools. The child mimics both.
GarryB wrote:If these ethnic minorities have not taught their children to speak their ethnic minority tongue by the time they go to school why do they think the Russian government should teach them about their culture
Because most of the governments, claim that they care for their citizens (athough in reality they only care for the ruling class but that will be another story), and the citizens in the ethnic minorities are also citizens. Don't you think it is their right to enjoy an acceptable level of governmental support for their own culture just as the Russian citizens enjoy the support in protecting their Russian culture ?
I never say that the government should spoil the minorities at the expense of Russian people. But turning a cold shoulder to the minorities, let them fend of for themselves and die out in the process, that is not the right thing to do.
kvs wrote:Well, it was Lenin who drew up the borders that left an enclave of Armenia inside Azerbaijan. So the history of communism
is the foundation of the conflict.
It is the result of the popular referendum and the local Nakhchivan people decide to stay with Azerbaijan. Lenin's decision is to consult the opinion of the local people and that is appropriate. (Edit: It seems like you are mentioning the Nagorno-Karabakh region. If that is the case I apologize for misunderstand your comment.)
And ethnic conflicts existed long before communism. The USSR did not invent the conflicts between Russian, Poland, German, or other ethnic and national groups. Do you honestly believe that all ethnic groups are living in harmony and happiness under the suppressive regime of the Tsarist Russia ? And then the Bolshevik came in and suddenly all ethnic groups became greedy and fought each others to death ?