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    Russian Navy: Status & News #1

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    Post  Austin Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:54 am

    Well Thanks , Lets see how much of the 95 Fighting ships and 96 support vessel target they can meet , we are talking around ~ 190 ships by 2020  Shocked 
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    Post  Viktor Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:03 pm

    Austin wrote:Well Thanks , Lets see how much of the 95 Fighting ships and 96 support vessel target they can meet , we are talking around ~ 190 ships by 2020  Shocked 

    Subs included  Very Happy 
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    Post  Austin Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:11 pm

    Ok I found the exact figure , it is 54 warships , 24 Submarines and 96 Aux vessel by 2020

    http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20130311/179945052/Russian-Navy-to-Receive-24-Subs-54-Warships-by-2020.html

    So total around ~ 175 Vessel all ships and subs included ......not bad if they can achieve it.


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    Post  TR1 Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:59 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahimtOnk4tk

    Good video from Burevestnik. At 3:56 you can see the modern 57mm mount.
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    Post  navyfield Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:07 pm

    Austin wrote:Well Thanks , Lets see how much of the 95 Fighting ships and 96 support vessel target they can meet , we are talking around ~ 190 ships by 2020  Shocked 
    its a joke ,once they start making real modern equipment youll see how their production stops to a crawl as is shown by newest frigates and destroyers.
    there are just too many narrow spots in production not even ussr style type crash program could help ,maybe they plan to buy more from france and south korea. that would be a good move if done smart.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:24 am

    its a joke ,once they start making real modern equipment youll see how their production stops to a crawl as is shown by newest frigates and destroyers.

    with the massive standardisation regime they have adopted once the first new frigates and destroyers are built things should speed up rapidly... the main delay with the destroyers is the Main SAM battery and the new main gun. Once the bugs are ironed out of those two however they are also deployed on all their new vessels too so they wont delay other projects.
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    Post  navyfield Sun Jan 26, 2014 7:14 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    its a joke ,once they start making real modern equipment youll see how their production stops to a crawl as is shown by newest frigates and destroyers.

    with the massive standardisation regime they have adopted once the first new frigates and destroyers are built things should speed up rapidly... the main delay with the destroyers is the Main SAM battery and the new main gun. Once the bugs are ironed out of those two however they are also deployed on all their new vessels too so they wont delay other projects.
    that story is a massive fraud and you swallowed it .we keep hearing how russians have da best sams in da worrrrrrld , and now problems ... Razz 
    the navy is a case of bad missmanagement and corruption
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    Post  GJ Flanker Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:29 am

    Could be, but the new ships are coming anyway, with Sigma, new radars and brand new weapons.

    There is no need to hurry to much, better make it right and really useful than something that must be decommissioned only after 10 years in service.

    I know, we all are looking forward to see or read/hear something new but we've got to be patient.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:26 am

    that story is a massive fraud and you swallowed it .we keep hearing how russians have da best sams in da worrrrrrld , and now problems ... Razz
    the navy is a case of bad missmanagement and corruption

    Haters gonna hate...

    The Russians learned from Soviet times that short production runs of single purpose vessels led to very capable ships, but a logistics and training nightmare.

    Unification and standardisation of systems, sensors, weapons, equipment, and propulsion from corvette to carrier means simpler and cheaper and far more potent... with longer production runs and standard parts.

    The west had the best air force in the world... is it a surprise the Soviets developed the best air defences to deal with it?

    Don't answer that... I can guess already what you think.
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    Post  Viktor Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:47 am

    This news first appeared on interfax military this morning (so disregard Izvestiya)

    Russian submarines will be invisible

    To do this, a new coating must be placed sensors and fiber optic route management server system, as well as active emitters. Material will be formed pezokompozitnye plate, so use a rubber coating hulls of modern submarines impossible, detailed in documents the military. Development will be universal for all boats and will have to work with advanced computer systems for the submarine fleet.


    Technology to create active sonar based coating fabric material using composites should develop within three years - the first samples will be available by the end of 2016. To develop proactive technology protivogidrolokatsionnoy system Minpromotorg willing to spend 200 million rubles.

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    Post  zg18 Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:56 am

    Just a nice image , a crew of Pacific fleet Slava class cruiser "Varyag" in Mediterranean

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:11 pm

    Needs...Onyx...silos...
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    Post  zg18 Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:56 am

    AGI ship SSV-175 "Viktor Leonov" in US backyard , Curaçao - Venezuela

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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:23 am

    We have had for a years a Russian ship similar to this one docked in varna bay, Bulgaria. I've seen it from a few km every time a travel by train. Anyway it looks almost like this one but along with the 2 AK-630s it also has a 57 or 76mm bow gun. Anyone know if the soviets ever operated a ship like that?
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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:33 am

    Have to have more detail... most of the Soviet support fleet was armed with AK-630 and light main guns... Smile
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    Post  TR1 Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:25 am

    http://dimmi-tomsk.livejournal.com/246029.html#comments

    -1st of this month, first trials of Novorosiisk should have started.
    -At the end of this month, the 4 boat of the series, the Krasnodar will be laid down.
    -Rostov-on-Don launched in May 2014.

    Of course this proves the media balony about 3 boats in 1 year wrong, but nonetheless, good pace.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:38 pm

    What is the latest news on the planned SSM replacement for the slava? Is it remotely possible to some zircon silos or will it have all its ASMs removed?
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    Post  TR1 Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:19 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:What is the latest news on the planned SSM replacement for the slava? Is it remotely possible to some zircon silos or will it have all its ASMs removed?

    There is no SSM replacement planned for Slava.

    The Ustinov is being capital repaired, but not reworked with new weapons.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:22 pm

    so basically it will be a useless obsolete hulk in 15 years...
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    Post  TR1 Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:37 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:so basically it will be a useless obsolete hulk in 15 years...

    Think before you type please.

    In 15 years the ship won't even be around likely.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:02 pm

    So a huge waste  of upgradable firepower then just like what happened to the kiev.
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    Post  TR1 Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:07 pm

    What are you talking about?

    What waste? The ships are living out their lives, and are being repaired and maintained until well into the 2020s. By mid decade they will old and prime for retirement.
    The RuNavy is looking at 10,000 ton, nuclear cruisers in the future, so what is the point of performing expensive repairs on every single big ship? It becomes pointless at one point.

    Kirov a waste? Like I said, you gonna foot the bill?

    EDIT: Or do you man Kiev, which...makes even less sense O.o
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:19 pm

    And then once those ships you claim "unrefittable" are decommissioned, judging by extreme pessimism on Russian ship building pace similar to most western detractors, the whole Russian navy will have less than 25 ships larger than corvettes.

    Not a bright future for a nation whose navy some decades rivaled whole of NATO.

    On the Kiev: you know how many UKSKs, reduts, pantsirs,etc it could've been upgraded to deliver ? Also it could have been refitted by now to be a UCAV carrier . Not to mention a good testing platform for Russian VTOL aviation(no matter if the Russian navy doesn't want to operate them, they could've improved the technological prestige of Russian aeronautics and added another product for export).

    What they should done was instead of selling them to china as floating circuses they should've mothballed them and by now or a few years from now started refitting the Kiev to be a drone cruiser.
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    Post  TR1 Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:24 pm

    Uh, seriously?

    1.) The USSR had a navy the size of NATO. Not Russia. Russia will not ever have a navy the size of NATOs. Forget about it.
    2.) By the time the cruisers get old (theres only...3 of them anways, not counting Nakhimov and Peter) the 10,000 ton ships will be around, and Russia hardly needs a dozen of them.
    3.) Kiev was old crap. There is no need for a 45,000 ton UKSK farm, and as a carrier it was never very good. What would Russia operate of it? A VTOL bird has nothing on MiG-29K in performance let alone PAK-FA. Export? LOL. There is ZERO export market for a Russian VTOL bird. As for the rest of the ship, it is horribly outdated and would need to be completely gutted, and even that would still leave a outdated hull. Time to move on.
    Much smarter to just make a proper carrier, who can be escorted by the big cruisers or the new destroyers.

    Less fantasy, more reality please.
    Russia has hardly any UCAVs in its army and AF, you want this Kiev fantasy?
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:31 pm

    And judging by the productions rates you present, Russia will only have 1-3 of those heavy destroyers at most by 2030-2040 and at that time they will be like to be obsolete due to improvements in littoral zumwalt shaped ships that have better stealth than any know ship so far so Russia will need to start another decades long ill fated construction cycle of new ships while constantly lagging behind.

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