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KomissarBojanchev wrote:And judging by the productions rates you present, Russia will only have 1-3 of those heavy destroyers at most by 2030-2040 and at that time they will be like to be obsolete due to improvements in littoral zumwalt shaped ships that have better stealth than any know ship so far so Russia will need to start another decades long ill fated construction cycle of new ships while constantly lagging behind.
dont worry, LCS would cost them as much as a heavy destroyer would the russiansKomissarBojanchev wrote:And judging by the productions rates you present, Russia will only have 1-3 of those heavy destroyers at most by 2030-2040 and at that time they will be like to be obsolete due to improvements in littoral zumwalt shaped ships that have better stealth than any know ship so far so Russia will need to start another decades long ill fated construction cycle of new ships while constantly lagging behind.
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KomissarBojanchev wrote:And then once those ships you claim "unrefittable" are decommissioned, judging by extreme pessimism on Russian ship building pace similar to most western detractors, the whole Russian navy will have less than 25 ships larger than corvettes.
Not a bright future for a nation whose navy some decades rivaled whole of NATO.
On the Kiev: you know how many UKSKs, reduts, pantsirs,etc it could've been upgraded to deliver ? Also it could have been refitted by now to be a UCAV carrier . Not to mention a good testing platform for Russian VTOL aviation(no matter if the Russian navy doesn't want to operate them, they could've improved the technological prestige of Russian aeronautics and added another product for export).
What they should done was instead of selling them to china as floating circuses they should've mothballed them and by now or a few years from now started refitting the Kiev to be a drone cruiser.
Ok, excluding the flight capability, what your your basically asking for is a floating !"DOOM Fortress"! with enough firepower to put all of the US navy and NATO to shame, i say build it, just to see what weak excuse the U.S/NATO will make to protect there "precious" image of "naval power".collegeboy16 wrote:auggh fck it.. i want a Kirov airship now111... KIROV REPORTING111
It would be huge, fcking huge, with survivability against anything but a nuke in mind.
Stealth features too would be a part of design consideration.
Lots of radars on its sides that should detect even B-2s pretty easily.
Lots of VLS tubes on its top, S-500/400/350, hypersonic Oniks, Kalibrs and even drones.
Also lots of point defenses, pantsirs, tors etc.
Nuke power is a must, and this beast must move really fast at high altitudes too.
And last but not the least be able to drop jdamskis
So for a example a effective /cheap battle group could be like this..
1 x Gorshov Class Frigate using S-400s 150km++ range ,Kalibers,torpedos with 1 Ka-27 Helicopter, escorted by
2 x Gremyashchy-class corvette with S-400s small range and Kalibers.. with 1 Ka-27
2 x Steregushchy-class corvette using Shtil-1(Buks)sam defenses + Oniks with 1 KA-27
4 x Buyan-class small patrol boats with 8x Kalibers each and Igla sams .. 2 x AK-630 gatlin gun defenses.
6 x Project 22160 small Patrol boats ,Underwater mortars ,sonars ,Igla missiles and with Ka-52 hellicopters
armed with Aesa Radars ,with 80x S-8 rockets + Vympe 2x R-73M2 air to air missiles with 40km range + 4x igla missiles.
KomissarBojanchev wrote:Its classified as a corvette that will have 1x palma, 1x A-192 and 8 UKSK launchers.
Ships of the Russian Navy will rearm on SAMs (SAM) "M-Tor", which are marine versions of SAM "Thor M2KM" spokesman CEO Concern PVO "Almaz - Antey" Yuri bikes.
"M-Tor" Now replace worth Navy complex "Dagger" (export name "Blade", according to NATO classification SA-N-9 Gauntlet), put into service in 1989.
"Active work is underway to further improve the SAM and increase its combat performance. Together with leading developers and manufacturers of warships for the Russian Navy is working on modernization of ships by replacing obsolete naval SAM SAM modification on sea" Thor M2KM "-" M-Tor " "- said Bajkov reporters Thursday at arms exhibition" Defekspo India 2014 "in New Delhi.
Also worked option modification "Thor M2KM" polar units of the Armed Forces of Russia, said the spokesman.
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140206/993387640.html
Nine submarines, including four nuclear policy will be laid in Russia in 2014-2015, told reporters on Friday CEO "Sevmash" (Severodvinsk) Michael Budnichenkog
And next year, he said, to "Sevmash" lay five submarines, including two "Boreas" and three "Ash."
Viktor wrote:WoW ...
Russia will provide two years nine submarines, including nuclear
Nine submarines, including four nuclear policy will be laid in Russia in 2014-2015, told reporters on Friday CEO "Sevmash" (Severodvinsk) Michael Budnichenkog
And next year, he said, to "Sevmash" lay five submarines, including two "Boreas" and three "Ash."
NEW DELHI, Feb. 8. (ARMS-TASS). Nuclear submarine (NPS) of the fifth generation will be provided the ability to integrate into a single information space of the Defense Ministry in real time. This was stated by ITAR-TASS during the exhibition "DefEkspo 2014" General Director of JSC "St. Petersburg Naval Machinery Bureau" Malachite "(SPMBM" Malachite ") Vladimir Dorofeev.Responding to a question on what parameters will be different submarines 5th generation, he said: "The characteristics of the submarine perspective must be sought not in the high speed, depth, displacement, dimensions, and most other things that are imperceptible - the possibility of their integration into a single information space of the Defense Ministry, the interaction with surface ships and aircraft in real time, that is, the possibility of their participation in the network-centric warfare. ""There are serious scientific research on problems that are not solved: underwater communication, performance, and information channels - said their opinion Dorofeev. - Prospective boats will be as black and sleek, but their" brains "are their main asset.""The cost of the displacement of the ship is determined not by air, which he carries, and electronic equipment that is inside - said the expert. He cited the example of the car, the main value of which is" not the body and tires, and security systems, advanced multimedia systems, intelligent control engine. ""The submarine - is no exception," - he stressed.
GarryB wrote:
Frigates will be left at home to patrol local waters as will all patrol boats.
Deep Throat wrote:GarryB wrote:
Frigates will be left at home to patrol local waters as will all patrol boats.
Garry , but then Russian frigates will become vulnerable to torpedos fired by a swarm of speed boats (I cannot recall the exact term) . The speed boats will come close to the ship and each speed boat will fire a torpedo from close range .
Once these torpedos are released it's impossible to save a ship .
Kashtan or AK 630 on board a Ship may engage the speed boats before they release the torpedo but will not be able to neutralize all the speed boats . Ergo , the ship will be hit with a few of these torpedos.
Garry , but then Russian frigates will become vulnerable to torpedos fired by a swarm of speed boats (I cannot recall the exact term) . The speed boats will come close to the ship and each speed boat will fire a torpedo from close range .
Once these torpedos are released it's impossible to save a ship .
Kashtan or AK 630 on board a Ship may engage the speed boats before they release the torpedo but will not be able to neutralize all the speed boats . Ergo , the ship will be hit with a few of these torpedos.
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