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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:11 am

    And no Brahmos on Russian ships, yes, I know Indian friends are complaining Russians not purchasing these missile as per previous arrangement of agreement when the Joint-venture was setup.
    Because Brahmos has max range <290km to meeting the exportation law, unless Russians are willing to buy these missiles and upgrade them to Onix standard (max range >300km), which is very stupid from the points of view of economy and technology.
    Even Russians do buy some, which is very unlikely, it is to pacify the complaint from Indian friends for political purpose.

    I rather suspect what the Russians will do is apply the Brahmos upgrades (ie electronics etc) to their Onyx missiles and get the best of both worlds.

    With Brahmos you get a missile that can hit land and naval targets though with a reduction in range from the Onyx. Combined is the best of both worlds for them.

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    Post  xeno Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:21 pm

    It makes a little sense if electronics in Onyx was inferior to those in Brahmos, however I doubt, seriously doubt. Actually I think the fact is opposite.
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    Post  TR1 Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:21 pm

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    Nice pic, Chinese ships in Vladivostock for large-scale naval exercise.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:08 am

    It makes a little sense if electronics in Onyx was inferior to those in Brahmos, however I doubt, seriously doubt. Actually I think the fact is opposite.

    Onyx is an old missile now and was purely anti ship. The Yakhont is the short ranged for export only model that was used as the basis for Brahmos, so in many ways Brahmos is basically the Onyx with its electronics upgraded to allow it to be used against a wider variety of targets including land coordinates using GLONASS with greatly upgraded computer hardware on board.

    Very simply the Brahmos is an electronics upgrade to Yakhont and unless the Russians are idiots... which we know they are not... I suspect that they will apply the Brahmos upgrade to Onyx instead of Yakhont and get the best of both worlds.

    Having said that computer technology is changing all the time and they are also working on the Brahmos II so perhaps they might decide to leave the Brahmos Onyx and develop the replacement (Zirconium) with new electronics and scramjet propulsion.

    Hardware is upgraded all the time so new build Onyx missiles will be rather different from the first built Onyx missiles anyway.

    The key is that they are all compatible with the UKSK launchers so we really don't know what they are carrying from Corvette to Carrier including subs.
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    Post  coolieno99 Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:26 am

    Russia-China Joint Naval Exercise 2013 near Vladivostok

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    Post  Austin Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:14 pm

    India may take another n-sub on lease

    India has expressed interest in leasing another nuclear attack submarine from Russia to supplement the Akula class hunter-killer that was inducted last year and the two sides are now ready to start negotiations on the project, the head of the top Russian design bureau for nuclear submarines has said.

    Tentatively christened INS Chakra III, the new submarine will be a variant of the Akula class of stealthy nuclear-powered submarines that are capable of spending months under water but is likely to be equipped with more lethal weaponry, including a vertically launched Brahmos missile system.

    Vladimir Dorofeev, head of the Malachite Design Bureau, which is the main centre for nuclear attack submarines in Russia, has said that the negotiations that India and Russia did during the 2012 lease of the Chakra would help in a smooth process for the acquisition of the new submarine. He also told The Indian Express that India has expressed an interest in acquiring the submarine and both the Russian design bureau and the shipyard that will construct it are ready for negotiations.

    The submarine is likely to be reconstructed round the hull of the Iribis, a Russian Akula class submarine that was never completed as funds ran dry after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Dorofeev said that the new submarine could also benefit from the design efforts that Russia had put in its latest class of Yasen nuclear-powered attack submarines.

    "The fourth generation of Yasen class submarine has been tested successfully, including the firing of a cruise missile from the submerged vessel. We can use that experience for the second Indian submarine. The launch was done using a new vertical launch system that can be used for the next submarine," Dorofeev said.

    The universal launch system that has been tested can launch several types of missiles from a submerged vessel and can carry 4-5 missiles per salvo. However, the design bureau head refused to go into details of the project, saying that technical requirements for the next submarine would be discussed after the India comes up with a set of technical requirements.

    "If a political decision is taken then we as an industry should have no difficulty in delivering what is agreed to," he said, expressing confidence that the matter would be discussed in future talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

    He, however, refused to comment on Russian assistance for the indigenous INS Arihant class of submarines that India is constructing in Vizag, saying that joint cooperation or technology sharing would depend on political negotiations between the two nations.
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    Post  Viktor Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:44 pm

    There could happen to be 9 (instead of 6) project 1135 for Russian Navy

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    Post  Viktor Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:59 pm

    Looks busy

    Overview of Russian shipbuilding companies in 2012
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    Post  xeno Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:31 pm

    Viktor wrote:There could happen to be 9 (instead of 6) project 1135 for Russian Navy

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    Hope not...
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    Post  medo Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:32 pm

    For Black sea and Baltic they will be just fine. Nothern and Pacific fleet need larger Gorshkov class fregates.
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    Post  TR1 Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:30 pm

    Viktor wrote:There could happen to be 9 (instead of 6) project 1135 for Russian Navy

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    Well the contract for the 2nd trio is itself in dispute, so let's build those first.

    If they do manage to get 9 out, I REALLY hope we see weapons improvements and uniformity with the 20380s and 22350s.
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    Post  Viktor Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:50 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:There could happen to be 9 (instead of 6) project 1135 for Russian Navy

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    Well the contract for the 2nd trio is itself in dispute, so let's build those first.

    Well according to Dimi (LINK) and this LINK work on Admiral Butakov is launched - finally




    TR1 wrote:If they do manage to get 9 out, I REALLY hope we see weapons improvements and uniformity with the 20380s and 22350s.

    I agree.
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    Post  TR1 Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:16 am

    Yeah looks like Butakov was finally laid down:

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    Good photo- next to the Mistral half, you can see the Akademic Lomonsov nuclear floating plant.
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    Post  Austin Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:51 pm

    Ships being built for the Russian Navy-Photos

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/36752/
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    Post  George1 Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:59 pm

    Austin wrote:Ships being built for the Russian Navy-Photos

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/36752/

    what type of ship is "67.Многофункциональное модульное судно проекта 23370-водоизмещение 100т. "?
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    Post  TR1 Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:42 pm

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    Butakov.
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    Post  TR1 Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:16 am

    The mighty prow of a REAL cruiser:

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    Post  George1 Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:25 am

    Rescue ship "Igor Belousov"

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    Post  TR1 Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:52 pm

    Some photos from Novorosiisk. Base creation is continuing, as today the port is utterly inadequate for any sort of major ship presence.

    From this:

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    to This:

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    They are building a particularly deep barrier, so that a repeat of the Dagestan being battered doesn't happen again.

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    Post  TR1 Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:12 pm

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    Baltic sisters.
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    Post  TheArmenian Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:05 pm

    Getting married Laughing 

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    Post  Viktor Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:40 am

    Anyone?

    Is there a list of unfinished ships that might still get a chance to be completed and to enter RuAN?

    Surface and sub units?
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:03 am

    Nothing I have seen that can be considered totally reliable... politician and military men have comments all the time, but journalists mix wishes with official policy and some things confirmed several times seem to turn out wrong so it is hard to put to paper such a list that is reliable...
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    Post  Viktor Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:07 am

    I was thinking because I bet there are still unfinished but useful ships that can be completed with equipment from project 11356 or 20380 that can still be useful
    and fill in the holes.
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    Post  TR1 Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:25 am

    Nothing really.

    There is the hull of the Tuman, but it is far from complete and has been rotting for years.

    Submarines, the closest to completion is the project 971 Irbis @ Amur. The Indians have showed some interest towards it, the RuNavy none.
    Belgorod is being completed for the Navy however.
    The two 949A hulls @ Sevmash are never going to be completed, and were not nearly as done as Belgorod in any-case.

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