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    Incidents in Russia (Natural Disasters, Accidents and Emergencies)

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    Post  PhSt Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:42 pm

    par far wrote:The military should have a quick develop unit for situations like these.


    https://www.rt.com/russia/507540-vladivostok-electricity-shortages-extreme-weather/

    I just saw the news today, Is it possible to make power lines in Vladivostok to go underground? Does the geography of the region permit this setup? It looks like the storm that hit the city is unprecedented, they say the last time a similar situation happened in Vladivostok took place 30 or so years ago. Russia needs to be on the lookout, I'm pretty sure NATO propaganda media is already concocting negative news about the incident and paint the Russian government as incompetent and corrupt and needs to be replaced with a NATO sockpuppet Rolling Eyes

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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:52 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    par far wrote:The military should have a quick develop unit for situations like these.


    https://www.rt.com/russia/507540-vladivostok-electricity-shortages-extreme-weather/

    I just saw the news today, Is it possible to make power lines in Vladivostok to go underground? Does the geography of the region permit this setup? It looks like the storm that hit the city is unprecedented, they say the last time a similar situation happened in Vladivostok took place 30 or so years ago. Russia needs to be on the lookout, I'm pretty sure NATO propaganda media is already concocting negative news about the incident and paint the Russian government as incompetent and corrupt and needs to be replaced with a NATO sockpuppet  Rolling Eyes


    Compared to Quebec it is impossible to push the lines underground. Use Google Earth and take a look, Vladivostock sits on top of rocky terrain.
    The expense of cutting through rock for a power line would be insane. In Canada, this option is avoided even if the ground is soft (sand or
    silt).

    One question for the drones coming out to piss on Russia: have any of the high voltage transmission lines collapsed?

    They did in Quebec.

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    Post  par far Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:17 pm

    kvs wrote:
    par far wrote:The military should have a quick develop unit for situations like these.


    https://www.rt.com/russia/507540-vladivostok-electricity-shortages-extreme-weather/

    The same thing happened in Canada in the province of Quebec with the same long duration power outage.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1998_North_American_ice_storm

    The military can't fix all the damaged infrastructure all that fast.    They would have to have deployed
    generators but the number involved would be massive.   Nobody had the domestic backup power
    in Canada since we are not talking about one of those 4000 Watt generators but a larger one tied
    into the electrical system of the house.   In Russia people live in multi-residential buildings so those
    buildings would require hospital sized backup generators.   Those are huge and nobody anywhere
    installs them in apartment buildings.

    Anyone trying to spin this as a Russian fail is a scumbag.


    I am not trying to spin as "Russian fail", I just posting it because these things make the trust in the government go down.


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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:31 pm

    par far wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    par far wrote:The military should have a quick develop unit for situations like these.


    https://www.rt.com/russia/507540-vladivostok-electricity-shortages-extreme-weather/

    The same thing happened in Canada in the province of Quebec with the same long duration power outage.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1998_North_American_ice_storm

    The military can't fix all the damaged infrastructure all that fast.    They would have to have deployed
    generators but the number involved would be massive.   Nobody had the domestic backup power
    in Canada since we are not talking about one of those 4000 Watt generators but a larger one tied
    into the electrical system of the house.   In Russia people live in multi-residential buildings so those
    buildings would require hospital sized backup generators.   Those are huge and nobody anywhere
    installs them in apartment buildings.

    Anyone trying to spin this as a Russian fail is a scumbag.


    U am not trying to spin as "Russian fail", I just posting it because these things make the trust in the government go down.

    It always fluctuates.

    KVS is right.  I lived in Winnipeg back in the 90's and remember that power went out during winter storms. Thank goodness we had wood burning fire places and not natural gas BS cause we would have froze to death.

    Power outages and such is a major issue during any winter storm.  And Winnipeg is flat terrain mostly built on marsh land.  So there isn't nearly the excuse.

    The people bitching in the article are simply idiots. Yeah, it sucks but thats what happens. Because authorities are not right there and then at the very second is a laugh.
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    Post  Hole Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:07 pm

    There is EMERCOM and the 100. KSS of the armed forces, a special unit for emergeny situations established a few years ago (order from Shoigu). The unit brought equipment to western siberia after the covid outbreak there. But they can´t be everywhere.

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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:11 pm

    par far wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    par far wrote:The military should have a quick develop unit for situations like these.


    https://www.rt.com/russia/507540-vladivostok-electricity-shortages-extreme-weather/

    The same thing happened in Canada in the province of Quebec with the same long duration power outage.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1998_North_American_ice_storm

    The military can't fix all the damaged infrastructure all that fast.    They would have to have deployed
    generators but the number involved would be massive.   Nobody had the domestic backup power
    in Canada since we are not talking about one of those 4000 Watt generators but a larger one tied
    into the electrical system of the house.   In Russia people live in multi-residential buildings so those
    buildings would require hospital sized backup generators.   Those are huge and nobody anywhere
    installs them in apartment buildings.

    Anyone trying to spin this as a Russian fail is a scumbag.


    I am not trying to spin as "Russian fail", I just posting it because these things make the trust in the government go down.

    I never accused you so take it easy.

    Why would I accuse you?

    Clearly it is the liberasts and their western sponsors that would be spinning this.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:33 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JFm8jYJELM

    Unsure if there was some malfunction with the bus or was a terrorist attack.

    Personally leaning towards something went off in the bus, from personal experience if this was a terror attack the explosion would have been more potent.
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    Post  par far Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:08 pm

    RIP to all those died.


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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:27 am

    Those two women walking/running away look suspicious... the one walking didn't even look when the explosion happened... like she was expecting it...

    Hopefully the two dead women were black widows on their way to a target and something went wrong.
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    Post  Daniel_Admassu Sun Aug 15, 2021 8:10 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:.....from personal experience if this was a terror attack the explosion would have been more potent.

    You mean you survived one? I thought that terrorist attacks were far less common after Russia pacified the Caucasus. Isn't that the case? That, in my opinion, is one of the most notable achievements of Putin.

    I am assuming of course that you reside in Russia. Forgive me if otherwise.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:02 pm


    Cops say that bomb is extremely unlikely so it was probably technical

    And if it were terrorism someone would have claimed responsibility by now

    When I first heard the news and saw that no terror groups are bragging I was worried they might have serial bomber out and about but luckily it's nothing like that

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:43 pm

    The Siberian Times
    August 25 at 11:18 PM ·
    Shiveluch (3,307m), one of two Kamchatka’s most active and most continuously erupting volcanoes is awake again. Tourists are warned to stay clear from the area as it is extremely dangerous. The volcano’s activity grew after 29 July Alaska’s earthquake, local volcanologists said. Video via Kamchatka1



    Shiveluch Smokes Once Again
    The Shiveluch volcano is erupting once again. It is one of the largest and most active volcanoes in Kamchatka Krai, a territory in northeast Russia. At least 60 large eruptions have occurred at Shiveluch in the past 10,000 years. The Operational Land Imager on Landsat 8 acquired an image of the latest eruption on February 23, 2019.

    The Kamchatkan Volcanic Eruption Response Team (KVERT) reported growth in the lava dome (a mound formed by viscous magma piling up around the volcano’s vent) from February 8-15, 2019. Additionally, satellite images detected thermal anomalies daily. News outlets reported ash plumes reaching as high as 6 kilometers (4 miles) on February 21. In the image above, the plume is traveling northeast, throwing a shadow to the north of the volcano.

    As of February 25, explosive activity continues. The Volcanic Ash Advisory Center (VAAC) Tokyo warned of additional volcanic ash plumes at altitudes approaching 4 kilometers. KVERT reports ongoing activity could affect low-flying and international flights.

    NASA Earth Observatory image by Lauren Dauphin, using Landsat data from the U.S. Geological Survey. Text by Kasha Patel.

    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/144586/shiveluch-smokes-once-again




    Most Recent Weekly Report: 18 August-24 August 2021Citation IconCite this Report
    KVERT reported that the growth of the lava dome at Sheveluch continued during 14-24 August, accompanied by strong fumarolic activity, dome incandescence, and hot avalanches. A thermal anomaly was identified in satellite imagery all week. Gas-and-steam plumes containing some ash drifted 370 km SW, E, and SE. On 21 and 24 August ash plumes rose to 4 km (13,100 ft) a.s.l. and drifted 86 km SE and 3.5 km (11,500 ft) a.s.l. and drifted as far as 100 km SE, respectively. The Tokyo VAAC reported ash plumes during 17-25 August that rose to 3.7-5.5 km (12,000-18,000 ft) a.s.l. and drifted E, S, SE. The Aviation Color Code remained at Orange (the second highest level on a four-color scale).

    Sources: Kamchatkan Volcanic Eruption Response Team (KVERT), Tokyo Volcanic Ash Advisory Center (VAAC)
    https://volcano.si.edu/volcano.cfm?vn=300270
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    Post  Scorpius Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:59 pm

    ...The total number of deaths as a result of the accident at the Listvyazhnaya mine in Kuzbass, according to preliminary data, amounted to 52 people, including six rescuers.

    https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/13026753



    ...As part of the investigation of a criminal case initiated on the grounds of a crime under Part 3 of Article 217 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation ("Violation of industrial safety requirements of hazardous production facilities, which caused the death of two or more persons by negligence"), the investigative authorities detained the 47-year-old director of the mine, his 59-year-old first deputy and the 36-year-old head of the site
    https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/13026537


    ...By order of the Governor Sergey Tsivilev, all Kuzbass enterprises that are engaged in coal and ore mining will conduct an urgent inspection of the faces for explosion safety
    https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/13025277

    ...It is difficult to find words of support in such a situation, but the Investigative Committee will thoroughly understand all the circumstances of the incident. The investigators will establish the causes and all the perpetrators whose actions or inaction entailed horrific consequences that turned into grief and pain of loss for the native miners - Chairman of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation Alexander Bastrykin
    https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/13023015


    ...The victims of the emergency at the Listvyazhnaya mine in Kuzbass will receive the necessary medical, psychological and other assistance, Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin assured.
    https://tass.ru/obschestvo/13022375
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:16 pm

    RIP.

    This is why miners need to be paid well. The risks are very high. We still get the odd disasters at mines here due to mistakes made. And simple mistakes can be deadly.
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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:31 pm

    RIP. Methane explosions are an ongoing risk in coal mines. There are lots of unpredictable factors. If it was so easy to monitor the
    concentrations while the coal seam is extracted, then there would be no accidents. The methane release can come in surges since it is
    separated under pressure in the coal and rock formation. It is not in some homogeneous distribution. So at times a lot of it can be
    released.

    Coal mining should be fully automated. The technology is there already. But jobs are a priority.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:37 pm

    I can find the words

    Hang the bastards. The ones who shortchanged their workers and 'economized' on the necessary safety measures. Hang 'em.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:58 pm

    flamming_python wrote:I can find the words

    Hang the bastards. The ones who shortchanged their workers and 'economized' on the necessary safety measures. Hang 'em.

    By the balls

    No mercy, full homicide charge for each death, consecutive sentence

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:42 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Coal mining should be fully automated.   The technology is there already.   But jobs are a priority.

    This is a stupid approach. More money could be made (and lives could be saved) with fully automated mining, and miners could find other more productive jobs.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:26 am

    Safety should be the priority...

    Not just methane is the problem... coal dust is explosive too...

    I suspect the problem was likely shortcuts taken to increase output to meet current unexpected but predictable demand...

    BTW the last report I saw that was official was that 35 were missing and people had gone down to rescue them... the RT report mentioned the 55 dead report but could not confirm it at that point and didn't know where it was coming from because the official releases said 35 missing.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:34 am

    GarryB wrote:Safety should be the priority...

    Not just methane is the problem... coal dust is explosive too...

    I suspect the problem was likely shortcuts taken to increase output to meet current unexpected but predictable demand...

    BTW the last report I saw that was official was that 35 were missing and people had gone down to rescue them... the RT report mentioned the 55 dead report but could not confirm it at that point and didn't know where it was coming from because the official releases said 35 missing.

    A lot of the rescuers ended up dying as well. RIP

    52 dead per latest reports
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    Post  Hole Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:20 pm

    51. One rescuer was found alive.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:26 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Safety should be the priority...

    Not just methane is the problem... coal dust is explosive too...

    I suspect the problem was likely shortcuts taken to increase output to meet current unexpected but predictable demand...

    BTW the last report I saw that was official was that 35 were missing and people had gone down to rescue them... the RT report mentioned the 55 dead report but could not confirm it at that point and didn't know where it was coming from because the official releases said 35 missing.

    A lot of the rescuers ended up dying as well. RIP

    52 dead per latest reports



    The CGTN reported that there were "minors" killed.

    I think they incorrectly spelled the word miners as "minors."


    This may superficially look like an "accident" but perhaps it is a case of possible sabotage by you know who?




    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia



    I think that Siberia and the Russian Far East have an above-average presence of the ethnic Ukrainians in comparison to much of the rest of Russia.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:01 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Safety should be the priority...

    Not just methane is the problem... coal dust is explosive too...

    I suspect the problem was likely shortcuts taken to increase output to meet current unexpected but predictable demand...

    BTW the last report I saw that was official was that 35 were missing and people had gone down to rescue them... the RT report mentioned the 55 dead report but could not confirm it at that point and didn't know where it was coming from because the official releases said 35 missing.

    A lot of the rescuers ended up dying as well. RIP

    52 dead per latest reports



    The CGTN reported that there were "minors" killed.

    I think they incorrectly spelled the word miners as "minors."


    This may superficially look like an "accident" but perhaps it is a case of possible sabotage by you know who?




    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia



    I think that Siberia and the Russian Far East have an above-average presence of the ethnic Ukrainians in comparison to much of the rest of Russia.




    And now there are reports of a power outage in the entire city of Simferopol in the Crimea, and also of an explosion at an ammunition storage site somewhere else in Russia (in the latter case reportedly two people have been wounded).

    Sabotage?


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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:02 am

    Sabotage is always an issue, but negligence and greed are common factors too.

    I rather suspect that mine knew there were problems... they had had ventilation issues in the past and explosions too, but right now China is buying all the coal it can get so likely extra shifts and ignoring warning systems to get as much coal onto those train wagons will be the priority of management at the mine because if they don't ship it some other mine will...

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