Incidents in Russia (Natural Disasters, Accidents and Emergencies)

Regular wrote:ISIS might have a link and funding coming from someone like CIA (i imagine CIA is not the only player there). But Russia never called ISIS american project. If it was true Putin would call it out. He said that ISIS and other  terrorists are result of US adeventurism in middle east

Precisely, isis and affiliates are a product of western military (mis)adventures. They are the monster that idiotic american adventures gave birth to. Now, they may well get funding and assistance directly or indirectly from the americans, by accident or design, but to say its a proxy army under the command of the US is nonsense. Thats one step away from saying that isis are actually israeli special forces in disguise.

The reality is that isis are like a rabid rottweiler or a rattlesnake, you allowed them to breed, you might have tossed them a bit of food and set them loose on your enemy, but sooner or later that snake or dog is going to come back and bite you on the ass too.

Regular wrote:ISIS might have a link and funding coming from someone like CIA (i imagine CIA is not the only player there). But Russia never called ISIS american project. If it was true Putin would call it out. He said that ISIS and other  terrorists are result of US adeventurism in middle east

Bullshit, Russia hasn't called out US for direct facts of false flag of US which are undeniable today like the Sarin gas attack, first with faked actors second with actual sarin gas while it was proven to be turkish (US bitch) who gave it to ISIS in its components. There is a line in politics on the open bullshit the US is doing which no country ever has called upon that and they have all Intelligence agencies with enough sources and evidence to proof that, hell there are alone more than 2 million files from WW2 that have still not been declassified, not to mention how many files there must be from the recent past. If you believe they will smear everything directly under noses without using it later you really haven't been paying attention to files that have been declassified of Polish/German non aggression pact while those pussies are constantly bitching about Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty all the time. That information could have been declassified during the cold war but it was just recently declassified along with all other countries Non-aggression treaties with Nazi germany and dozens of other files.

Apparently french media is saying that an explosion can be heard on the flight recorders. Will wait for a decent link but if true it confirms what we already suspected by this stage.

Good thing that the decision makers up top finally caved in today and followed a recommendation from the FSB anti-terrorist committee to cancel all Russian flights to Egypt and evacuate our citizens.

For a while there it looked like best pals Putin and Sisi were trying to cover-up what they know or what they suspect for the sake of the Egyptian economy. You know guys do what you like, but don't do it by putting more Russian lives at risk, tnx.

While the Kremlin was still mumbling about investigations proceeding and lack of evidence, more and more Russians were flying in, while Britain had by then long since suspended its own flights to Egypt - despite the fact that it was Russia's plane that was shot down.
This delay proved completely pointless as in the end the flights were cancelled anyway; now it just means that they will have to get more Russians out. The flights should have cancelled at the very first inkling that terrorism just might have been responsible; not a week into the disaster FFS.

The Egyptian deputies or whoever it was also deserve a slap to the face for interfering with Britain's evacuation attempts. They haven't said a word to Russia though, they know there would be less tolerance for such moves.

Godric wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:Charlie Hebdo mocking the victims of the plane crash:



^^^
Translation: "Daesh: Russian aviation intensifies it bombardments"






^^^
"The dangers of low-cost Russian. I should have taken Air Cocaine"


http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/11/charlie-hebdo-makes-fun-of-russian.html

Je suis charlie My ass !! f**king mongos .. I hope the ragheads finish them off next time .... and to think the Russia lost millions of men liberating these c*nts from Nazi death camps ... I hope the RuAF drop a few stray bombs over Israel

To respond to them is to affirm their provocation, and encourage more.

TBH, I never even heard of these losers before they were attacked, and now I hope I won't hear from them further.

Just make a cartoon about them all getting executed by Jihadists while begging for their lives, let's have a good laugh at their expense about that instead.

sepheronx wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Good thing that the decision makers up top finally caved in today and followed a recommendation from the FSB anti-terrorist committee to cancel all Russian flights to Egypt.

For a while there it looked like best pals Putin and Sisi were trying to cover-up what they know or what they suspect for the sake of the Egyptian economy. You know guys do what you like, but don't do it by putting more Russian lives at risk, tnx.

While the Kremlin was still mumbling about investigations proceeding and lack of evidence, more and more Russians were flying in, while Britain had by then wisely long since suspended its own flights to Egypt - despite the fact that it was Russia's plane that was shot down.
This delay proved completely pointless as in the end the flights were cancelled anyway; now it just means that they will have to get more Russians out. The flights should have cancelled at the very first inkling that terrorism just might have been responsible; not a week into the disaster FFS.

The Egyptian deputies or whoever it was also deserve a slap to the face for interfering with Britain's evacuation attempts. They haven't said a word to Russia though, they know there would be less tolerance for such moves.

As I agree that flights should have been suspended till the investigation is completed, it is still not necessarily proving anything of the sort that it was terrorism and they have clearly stated to wait till the investigation is over rather than throwing speculations as truth, or we become just as bad as the horrific mess up that Mh-17 was.  That is what the Russian government has been saying.

Although, I do not deny the fact that clearly they kept the flights to Egypt as you said, to help buddies out.  Cannot blame them and this will cause a huge loss for Egypt economically and I can only feel bad for them.  But at the same time, they really need to increase security to Egypt.  At same time, they really need to stop flights even to Sinai region as it is terrorist heaven currently.

If the Egyptians want tourists then they ought to provide for their safety and security.
The more molestations of news journalists on public squares there are, the more armed attacks on resorts, the more planting of bombs on charter flights - the less tourists they can expect.
Yes it's sad but they need to take these things more seriously.

As for MH-17 it doesn't compare. You don't suspend flights when you have evidence that it was a terrorist attack (which could take months), you take it as a precaution when you have a valid suspicion.
Just as in the same way the Malaysian airlines and other carriers shouldn't have waited until a passenger plane was downed by a surface-to-air missile - before diverting their flights away from the airspace directly above a warzone.

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Interesting that he doesnt deny those 'sounds', only challenges them to back up their conclusion with facts.

Id love to know what makes the western governments so sure that it was a terrorist bomb on board, what do they know? And how did they know it so soon after the crash?

No im not hinting at that, but it seems western intelligence services know more than they letting on.

sepheronx wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Good thing that the decision makers up top finally caved in today and followed a recommendation from the FSB anti-terrorist committee to cancel all Russian flights to Egypt.

For a while there it looked like best pals Putin and Sisi were trying to cover-up what they know or what they suspect for the sake of the Egyptian economy. You know guys do what you like, but don't do it by putting more Russian lives at risk, tnx.

While the Kremlin was still mumbling about investigations proceeding and lack of evidence, more and more Russians were flying in, while Britain had by then wisely long since suspended its own flights to Egypt - despite the fact that it was Russia's plane that was shot down.
This delay proved completely pointless as in the end the flights were cancelled anyway; now it just means that they will have to get more Russians out. The flights should have cancelled at the very first inkling that terrorism just might have been responsible; not a week into the disaster FFS.

The Egyptian deputies or whoever it was also deserve a slap to the face for interfering with Britain's evacuation attempts. They haven't said a word to Russia though, they know there would be less tolerance for such moves.

As I agree that flights should have been suspended till the investigation is completed, it is still not necessarily proving anything of the sort that it was terrorism and they have clearly stated to wait till the investigation is over rather than throwing speculations as truth, or we become just as bad as the horrific mess up that Mh-17 was.  That is what the Russian government has been saying.

Although, I do not deny the fact that clearly they kept the flights to Egypt as you said, to help buddies out.  Cannot blame them and this will cause a huge loss for Egypt economically and I can only feel bad for them.  But at the same time, they really need to increase security to Egypt.  At same time, they really need to stop flights even to Sinai region as it is terrorist heaven currently.

If the Egyptians want tourists then they ought to provide for their safety and security.
The more molestations of news journalists on public squares there are, the more armed attacks on resorts, the more planting of bombs on charter flights - the less tourists they can expect.
Yes it's sad but they need to take these things more seriously.

As for MH-17 it doesn't compare. You don't suspend flights when you have evidence that it was a terrorist attack (which could take months), you take it as a precaution when you have a valid suspicion.
Just as in the same way the Malaysian airlines and other carriers shouldn't have waited until a passenger plane was downed by a surface-to-air missile - before diverting their flights away from the airspace directly above a warzone.

I dont think there is any evidence of terrorist attack other than a possible explosion on an engine.  That happens.

Whats interesting is that the bodies at the front of the plane suffered the usual injuries you would expect from a high speed collision, the ones at the rear showed injuries from an explosion. If the engine was the cause of the explosion, would it follow this pattern?

Rodinazombie wrote:^^^

Interesting that he doesnt deny those 'sounds', only challenges them to back up their conclusion with facts.

Id love to know what makes the western governments so sure that it was a terrorist bomb on board, what do they know? And how did they know it so soon after the crash?

No im not hinting at that, but it seems western intelligence services know more than they letting on.

It is in their interest to claim a bomb. No matter if it is true or not a seed of doubt is planted, just as with the Russian contradicting theories about MH17.

Obviously British intelligence has enough good reason to suspect a bomb; they wouldn't strand thousands of their citizens in a foreign country and risk a diplomatic scuffle with Egypt just for the sake of throwing a pie in Putin's face.

I think they know no more and no less than the Russians and Egyptians know. But what they do about that information is a different matter for each party.
I'm not used to it but Britain seems to be acting the most responsibly here, quite a shock really.

Dforce wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:^^^

Interesting that he doesnt deny those 'sounds', only challenges them to back up their conclusion with facts.

Id love to know what makes the western governments so sure that it was a terrorist bomb on board, what do they know? And how did they know it so soon after the crash?

No im not hinting at that, but it seems western intelligence services know more than they letting on.

It is in their interest to claim a bomb. No matter if it is true or not a seed of doubt is planted, just as with the Russian contradicting theories about MH17.

Yes it is in their interest, but the UK also cancelling all flights there is a little too elaborate just for the sake of 'planting a seed'.

flamming_python wrote:Obviously British intelligence has enough good reason to suspect a bomb; they wouldn't strand thousands of their citizens in a foreign country and risk a diplomatic scuffle with Egypt just for the sake of throwing a pie in Putin's face.

I think they know no more and no less than the Russians and Egyptians know. But what they do about that information is a different matter for each party.
I'm not used to it but Britain seems to be acting the most responsibly here, quite a shock really.

Not really, despite the idiotic foreign policy we have, our government does do its best to ensure the safety of its citizens in these type of situations. What surprises me is the lack of 'i told you so' or smug comments coming out of the west. Even our tabloid papers seem to have behaved themselves which is quite unusual.

Rodinazombie wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Obviously British intelligence has enough good reason to suspect a bomb; they wouldn't strand thousands of their citizens in a foreign country and risk a diplomatic scuffle with Egypt just for the sake of throwing a pie in Putin's face.

I think they know no more and no less than the Russians and Egyptians know. But what they do about that information is a different matter for each party.
I'm not used to it but Britain seems to be acting the most responsibly here, quite a shock really.

Not really, despite the idiotic foreign policy we have, our government does do its best to ensure the safety of its citizens in these type of situations. What surprises me is the lack of 'i told you so' or smug comments coming out of the west. Even our tabloid papers seem to have behaved themselves which is quite unusual.

You're probably right, I guess I'm just too used to the British gov. making cuts everywhere and laying people off, ignoring massive anti-war rallies and just doing what it wants, doing nothing about social issues, etc... that sort of attitude towards its own citizens.
But yeah in a crisis situation, citizens take priority over the economy of a friendly country or whatever else, that's how it should be.

JohninMK wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Obviously British intelligence has enough good reason to suspect a bomb; they wouldn't strand thousands of their citizens in a foreign country and risk a diplomatic scuffle with Egypt just for the sake of throwing a pie in Putin's face.

I think they know no more and no less than the Russians and Egyptians know. But what they do about that information is a different matter for each party.
I'm not used to it but Britain seems to be acting the most responsibly here, quite a shock really.

Not really, despite the idiotic foreign policy we have, our government does do its best to ensure the safety of its citizens in these type of situations. What surprises me is the lack of 'i told you so' or smug comments coming out of the west. Even our tabloid papers seem to have behaved themselves which is quite unusual.

You're probably right, I guess I'm just too used to the British gov. making cuts everywhere and laying people off, ignoring massive anti-war rallies and just doing what it wants, doing nothing about social issues, etc... that sort of attitude towards its own citizens.
But yeah in a crisis situation, citizens take priority over the economy of a friendly country or whatever else, that's how it should be.

Clearly, the UK wants the world to believe that it regards UK planes as a real target. You know, that ISIS (or whoever did it) hates the UK as much as they do Russia. There are several views as to why they would want to do this.

Of course they're a real target, the UK are infidels too are they not?

JohninMK wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Obviously British intelligence has enough good reason to suspect a bomb; they wouldn't strand thousands of their citizens in a foreign country and risk a diplomatic scuffle with Egypt just for the sake of throwing a pie in Putin's face.

I think they know no more and no less than the Russians and Egyptians know. But what they do about that information is a different matter for each party.
I'm not used to it but Britain seems to be acting the most responsibly here, quite a shock really.

Not really, despite the idiotic foreign policy we have, our government does do its best to ensure the safety of its citizens in these type of situations. What surprises me is the lack of 'i told you so' or smug comments coming out of the west. Even our tabloid papers seem to have behaved themselves which is quite unusual.

You're probably right, I guess I'm just too used to the British gov. making cuts everywhere and laying people off, ignoring massive anti-war rallies and just doing what it wants, doing nothing about social issues, etc... that sort of attitude towards its own citizens.
But yeah in a crisis situation, citizens take priority over the economy of a friendly country or whatever else, that's how it should be.

Clearly, the UK wants the world to believe that it regards UK planes as a real target. You know, that ISIS (or whoever did it) hates the UK as much as they do Russia. There are several views as to why they would want to do this.

Well, UK planes and its citizens clearly are a target, as proven by terrorist atrocities in the uk, a horde of attacks that were prevented and the attacks on british citizens in the region recently, our government doesnt need to pretend to anyone that we are targets. We are enemy number one along with americans and now russia.

UK & co are clearly targets but if this was terrorist act it was most likely carried out with bomb planted on the plane. That is incredibly old school. When was the last time something like that happened?

For decades air traffic in mid east functioned without this type of BS especially after 9/11 but the moment Russia starts bombing wrong terrorists a plane goes down Lockerbie style. Now of all times in this day and age?

If this was terrorist act then the whole thing stinks even more than anyone could imagine.

flamming_python wrote:Obviously British intelligence has enough good reason to suspect a bomb; they wouldn't strand thousands of their citizens in a foreign country and risk a diplomatic scuffle with Egypt just for the sake of throwing a pie in Putin's face.

I think they know no more and no less than the Russians and Egyptians know. But what they do about that information is a different matter for each party.
I'm not used to it but Britain seems to be acting the most responsibly here, quite a shock really.

Sure they might suspect a bomb, and perhaps I am a bit cynical, but I do not see them losing anything by suggesting a bomb even if not sure:

1. Potshot at Russia
2. Protecting their citizens

Egypt is not in the UK sphere of influence any more, not like some other African nations such as Sierra Leone, and it does seem like the security on the airport is below any normal standard. Heck, from personal experience even Moscow have better security!

flamming_python wrote:Obviously British intelligence has enough good reason to suspect a bomb; they wouldn't strand thousands of their citizens in a foreign country and risk a diplomatic scuffle with Egypt just for the sake of throwing a pie in Putin's face.

I think they know no more and no less than the Russians and Egyptians know. But what they do about that information is a different matter for each party.
I'm not used to it but Britain seems to be acting the most responsibly here, quite a shock really.

They are not throwing a pie in Putin's face, but in al Sisi's face. Security in Egypt and in Egyptian airports is Egyptian problem, not Russian. All this cancellations of flights in Egypt and evacuation of tourists is a blow for Egyptian tourism, which is one of the most important source of incomes for Egypt, for the state and for all those employed in tourism.

Well now Russia suspended its flights too, so I guess it wanted to humiliate Al-Sisi too?

flamming_python wrote:Well now Russia suspended its flights too, so I guess it wanted to humiliate Al-Sisi too?

No, but this is more an answer on all those nonsenses, that all this is to spit on Putin and that this is all Putin's fault. Bomb was planted in Egyptian airport, so this is a problem of Egyptian security.

medo wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Obviously British intelligence has enough good reason to suspect a bomb; they wouldn't strand thousands of their citizens in a foreign country and risk a diplomatic scuffle with Egypt just for the sake of throwing a pie in Putin's face.

I think they know no more and no less than the Russians and Egyptians know. But what they do about that information is a different matter for each party.
I'm not used to it but Britain seems to be acting the most responsibly here, quite a shock really.

They are not throwing a pie in Putin's face, but in al Sisi's face. Security in Egypt and in Egyptian airports is Egyptian problem, not Russian. All this cancellations of flights in Egypt and evacuation of tourists is a blow for Egyptian tourism, which is one of the most important source of incomes for Egypt, for the state and for all those employed in tourism.

You see, the bombings in Syria was to protect Russia from IS attacks, or at least that is the way it was sold; I bet I can find severals on here that have voiced that line of reasonng.

However, if those bombings rather LEADS to IS attacks it will be another ball-game.