GarryB wrote:Interesting considering the aircraft it is mounted on... wonder if it can be used as an ARM against radar emitting ground targets... like that version of sidewinder for attacking Shilka radars.... I think they called is Sidearm or something... but the Sidewinder has a 10kg warhead and R-27 has a 40kg warhead... and rather longer range in most versions.... it is much like the AS-12 family of ARMs based on the Kh-25 family.
Cyberspec wrote:Interestingly, there was work being done during the 80's on a submarine launched version of the R-27 to target patrol aircraft
With the new ARH 70km range buk it would be better.
GarryB wrote:Anti sub helos and MPAs are not the most difficult targets... but then imagine an arsenal sub based on the Akula SSBN with UKSK-M launch tubes... you could fit the sail with enormous AESA radar panels and IR sensors and have it sit on the surface launching thousands of SAMs to defend a group of ships... a SAM and radar picket frigate would have nothing on it....
An anti-air Akula's real advantage lies in its ability to surface in any unexpected place at any time and turn an area of assumed safe airspace into a denied one. It can catch entire flights, or vulnerable planes such as transports, AWACS, reconnaisance, etc... completely off-guard and destroy them before the hostile airforce even realizes where the missiles are coming from. After the sub has destroyed a few targets, it can submerge, retire and then surface somewhere else at another time; this will save it from anti-radiation missiles. Anti-air guerilla warfare if you will. The danger of course is the enemy promptly deploying ASuW aircraft and warships to hunt for it; they will know its last known position to a high degree of accuracy and can conduct sweeps from there, deploy sonar buoys along presumed routes, deploy autonomous torpedoes to hunt for it and so on. An under-water anti-air launch capability for SHORAD class missiles and some sort of deployable floating short-range radar array might be neccessary for self-defence from ASuW aircraft, together with extensive decoy and anti-torpedo measures.
All in all not cheap, especially for a one-off vessel. An Akula could be used as a test-bed to experiment with the concept, with various ad-hoc temporary additions and equipment - but a smaller, serial sub design modified from a more modern model already in production might be optimal for actually implementing it; with a deployable radar mast with IR sensors and so on.
Isos wrote:And longer range 40km compare to 30 for r73. IIIR seeker. And more off boresight angle.
Cyberspec wrote:Su-34 armed with a R-27P1 / R-27EP1 AAM with passive guidance
Isos wrote:You mean the thing at the end of the wing ? That's a jammer. There is one on each wing. They can take them off but in operation they will always carry them.
It is a new missile air-to-air compact seemingly guided by radar than by comparison with the R-77 (see below) tells us that their dimensions are much smaller, and this can only be addressed to be loaded in the holds of weapons of the His-57 and other devices of new generation.
Nor let us leave aside the two wineries in the side of the Su-57 (!).
I would not be surprised if it has a length of around 2.20 m or less (!)... that is, where before I carried one now charged two.