Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

Is this Nakhimov prior to being put into drydock? or is it Kirov being scrapped?

runaway wrote:Interesting, it seems that with railgun tech, guns are coming back. I dont see a immediate need for this type of ship, but as a partner to Mistral or Ivan green it would be useful.
As for naming i would suggest John Paul Jones, Rear admiral, active with the Black Sea Fleet after the American Revolution...

Such a ship would be able to provide much cheaper and frequent fire support at almost the same range. My battleship would be able to hit the entire black sea coast and aegean. Cruise missiles wouldn't be a substitute for long range shore bombardment since they're too expensive, not enough of them, and wouldn't have a lot of morale impact.

chicken wrote:
Is this Nakhimov prior to being put into drydock? or is it Kirov being scrapped?

replacing the granit launchers with the new vls??

chicken wrote:Is this Nakhimov prior to being put into drydock? or is it Kirov being scrapped?

Its Kirov, Nakhimov is in dry dock since October 2014

Equipment of "Admiral Nakhimov" dismantled by December

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1282949.html

So timeline on Nakhimov keeps being pushed back. This time to 2019.

Also, funny how there was all this speculation by a poster a few pages ago about how Zvezda would handle the Lazarev supposedly later this decade, after the modernization project is complete.
Anyone been following the news about the extent to which the project is leaking (see: thieving) money?

TR1 wrote:http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1282949.html

Anyone been following the news about the extent to which the project is leaking (see: thieving) money?

That's your specialty isn't it ?

And the link above is about manning levels and contract soldiers

The link is about Nakhmimov, which is not anywhere near the Zvezda project.


However I am talking about the prospect of Lazarev being modernized @ Zvezda-DCSS after that project and its expanded space is completed.
The details that are coming out make the kool-aid on the previous page of this thread all the sadder to read.


Oops, you mean the link is wrong.
Here is the right one, about Nakhimov. Just talking about the same thing George posted.

http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150428/1061369983.html

There's nothing about money going missing in either link (yours or Goerge's)...it says the work is expected to last up to 2019....was it meant to be quicker? I can't remember

Cyberspec wrote:There's nothing about money going missing in either link (yours or Goerge's)...it says the work is expected to last up to 2019....was it meant to be quicker? I can't remember

Right, the link is about Nakhimov. Original date was 2018, not 2019.


The Zvezda details I mentioned have nothing to do with that.
However some folks @ Balancers have been feeding details, that lets just say, are not encouraging to the on-time and on-budget completion of Zvezda-DCSS.

We'll have to wait and see I guess.

I stumbled on a report on corruption in the Pacific Fleet about stollen fuel...but at least the prosecutors seem to be doing their job

Last year, with the ships of the Pacific Fleet bases and stole more than 1.4 thousand tons of fuel, damage to the Navy from these actions is estimated at almost 50 million rubles

This was stated by the prosecutor general of the Russian Federation Full State Counselor of Justice Yuri Chaika, in his report "On the state of law in the country", which he submitted to the Federation Council on Tuesday, 28 April reports Lenta.ru.

Chaika said that all the facts of the case are being investigated criminal cases, involving 24 officers and 14 civilian personnel.

Speaking about the situation with corruption in the Armed Forces, the Attorney General said that in 2014, military prosecutors revealed 1896 crimes related to corruption. At the top of the list are appropriation, embezzlement, fraud, and forgery. Total damage caused by the armed forces of corruption, has exceeded 7 billion rubles. In the criminal charges brought against 713 officers, 257 officers have been convicted. Also Yuri Chaika said that the supervisory authority has prevented damage to the State amounting to 1.5 billion rubles. This has been achieved by the suppression of criminal activity when paying developmental works, supply of coal at higher prices and payment outsourcing services of OAO "Slavjanka"

http://flot.com/2015/193011/

Right, the link is about Nakhimov. Original date was 2018, not 2019.

I consider you a fairly smart person... why do you find such basic concepts so hard to understand?

It is called management... there is no magic involved.

You look at what needs to be done and what resources you have to do it and you plan out how long it will take and you set deadlines.

When things like a global economic down turn and sanctions from the west and the US and the Ukraine happen they effect all sorts of aspects of almost all programmes... whether it is because this or that part now needs to be sourced from somewhere else or because the people who might be tasked with the job now have to install things in other programmes because those items are no longer going to be sourced from the Ukraine... or it could be that there is less money available and so plans need to be changed.

The date was not changed by Putin to annoy you personally.

The date was not changed by Putin to annoy you personally.

He is watching every step of TR1 and feels the same hatred against him.

GarryB wrote:

Right, the link is about Nakhimov. Original date was 2018, not 2019.

I consider you a fairly smart person... why do you find such basic concepts so hard to understand?

It is called management... there is no magic involved.

You look at what needs to be done and what resources you have to do it and you plan out how long it will take and you set deadlines.

When things like a global economic down turn and sanctions from the west and the US and the Ukraine happen they effect all sorts of aspects of almost all programmes... whether it is because this or that part now needs to be sourced from somewhere else or because the people who might be tasked with the job now have to install things in other programmes because those items are no longer going to be sourced from the Ukraine... or it could be that there is less money available and so plans need to be changed.

The date was not changed by Putin to annoy you personally.

I am not sure what this response has to do with my post, to be honest.
I thought it was obvious the original Nakhimov dates would not be kept from the start. It is neither surprising nor terribly upsetting.

Navy: the modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" will end in 2018

collegeboy16 wrote:

chicken wrote:
Is this Nakhimov prior to being put into drydock? or is it Kirov being scrapped?

replacing the granit launchers with the new vls??

AFAIK S-400 was planned and Clubs replacing Granits. Exchange ration in Anteys was 3:1 but here 4:1 so whooping 80 Clubs.

http://www.rg.ru/2014/10/16/kreiser.html

JSC Zavod "Kirov-Energomash" started inspection of the main power unit and auxiliary equipment of the nuclear-powered cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov"
http://www.flotprom.ru/2015/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%822/

Cyberspec wrote:We'll have to wait and see I guess.

I stumbled on a report on corruption in the Pacific Fleet about stollen fuel...but at least the prosecutors seem to be doing their job

Last year, with the ships of the Pacific Fleet bases and stole more than 1.4 thousand tons of fuel, damage to the Navy from these actions is estimated at almost 50 million rubles

This was stated by the prosecutor general of the Russian Federation Full State Counselor of Justice Yuri Chaika, in his report "On the state of law in the country", which he submitted to the Federation Council on Tuesday, 28 April reports Lenta.ru.

Chaika said that all the facts of the case are being investigated criminal cases, involving 24 officers and 14 civilian personnel.

Speaking about the situation with corruption in the Armed Forces, the Attorney General said that in 2014, military prosecutors revealed 1896 crimes related to corruption. At the top of the list are appropriation, embezzlement, fraud, and forgery. Total damage caused by the armed forces of corruption, has exceeded 7 billion rubles. In the criminal charges brought against 713 officers, 257 officers have been convicted. Also Yuri Chaika said that the supervisory authority has prevented damage to the State amounting to 1.5 billion rubles. This has been achieved by the suppression of criminal activity when paying developmental works, supply of coal at higher prices and payment outsourcing services of OAO "Slavjanka"

http://flot.com/2015/193011/

In this situation, if i will be on Putin place, when onto Russia actually is declered WAR, because let's do not forget, before WWII in legue of nation , imposing of economic sanction on any country, can be taken exactly same like declaration of WAR, that wasn't something which legaue of nation is made up just for fun, because they then already was know how danger can be to put any poerfull country in any kind of blokade, Ukraine is also nothing else then attempt of USA on first place and they slaves in the shape of smaller and little bigger western EU countries to Declare PROXY war on Ethnical Russians which lives in Ukraine, while Sanctions in reality do not bring almsot any permanent and non substitutional damage, because of that Situation whit Ukraine is in every day goes further on the way whit smaller and smaller chance for exit from extremely danger situation for whole Europe whit maximal optimistic way of thinking( which Putin was try to explain to Americans, and Western Europe and especially Ukrainian people, to which he only really cared about, because it was not long ago to a thousand times announced the aggression of Russia(by western media) at whole teritorry of Ukraine (here is just what is not, tomorrow will, etc.)That would be executed in reality. So in lights of all those happening ,Stilling from the Army, by the lower ranking officers and soldiers will be draconic punished in such manner that never ever , to nobody else come onto mind to try again still from the Army, even that will be Shoygy it self (But Shoygy wouldnt do something like that for 7 his lifes like second man of Russian Army), And because of that Putin very offten suprise me, this time in bad manner, those people must be punished much more severe then that was pure civilian case.because they was which those act directly undermining Navy readiness and Russian army capability for deffence as a whole.

Heavy nuclear missile cruiser Project 11442 "Admiral Nakhimov" - view from space




http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1371629.html

Good picture, amazing to see a tougher Kirov being added to an already visious arsenal of ships. I wonder if the main guns will be modified to 7-8 inches, as that would be pretty tank.

Aleksandr Shishkin estimates renovation would cost 50 billion rubles ($1 billion); 30 billion ($600 million) for the ship and 20 billion ($400 million) for new armaments and systems.

http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/102751.html

Havent they said how Lazarev is in "unoperable" condition, and was supposed to be reason why they decided to overhaul Nakhimov instead? From where now comes this Lazarev overhaul story in Zvezda (hopefully if that happens they wont burn him like subs)? Is it sign they are unable to build ships of significant size in near future so they seek old mamooths to upgun them?

Militarov wrote:Havent they said how Lazarev is in "unoperable" condition, and was supposed to be reason why they decided to overhaul Nakhimov instead? From where now comes this Lazarev overhaul story in Zvezda (hopefully if that happens they wont burn him like subs)? Is it sign they are unable to build ships of significant size in near future so they seek old mamooths to upgun them?

The Lazarev looked to be in excellent condition under the grime and thin coat of surface rust, judging by the photos of her superstructure after blasting and painting. There looks to be no reason why she cannot be deep-modernised and emerge as a 1st class combatant. There is some scuttlebutt that she has reactor issues, but that is likely just confusion with Adm Ushakov (or wishful thinking from the HATO trolls)

BTW Russia is having to rebuild her shipbuilding industry from a low starting level following decades of neglect and inactivity, so for the moment the new construction of large surface combatants really isn't feasible. The Pr 1144 will therefore be retained and modernised to fufill the needed role of heavy warship to serve as group flagships.

I am well aware that Russian shipbuilding industry was mostly sleeping for decade and a half however they didnt do much to preserve their manpower at least which is the most important asset in shipbuilding i guess you will agree with that, its not easy to get enough of experienced engineers and welders especially.

Hm, well so if Lazarev gets overhaul too they will have 3 battlecruisers to form at least in theory 3 major battlegroups.