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    Project 971: Akula class

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:00 am


    Anyone knows the numbers situation with Akulas?

    How many in service, how many in overhaul and how many slated for scraping?
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    Post  Krepost Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:28 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Anyone knows the numbers situation with Akulas?

    How many in service, how many in overhaul and how many slated for scraping?

    Here is the info I have:
    - 4 in active service: Gepard, Vepr, Pantera and Kuzbass
    - 5 in overhaul/modernization: Volk, Samara, Tigr, Leopard and Magadan (Magadan will probably be leased to India)
    - 1 waiting for overhaul/modernization: Nerpa (which was leased to India but now has been returned)
    - 1 to be written-off: Bratsk
    - 4 already written off: Bars, Kashalot, Akula and Barnaul
    - 5 never completed construction: Irbis, Kuguar, Rys + 2 with no names

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:46 am

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    PapaDragon wrote:

    - 5 never completed construction: Irbis, Kuguar, Rys + 2 with no names

    Completed in a way Laughing - as Borey.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:29 am

    Krepost wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Anyone knows the numbers situation with Akulas?

    How many in service, how many in overhaul and how many slated for scraping?

    Here is the info I have:
    - 4 in active service: Gepard, Vepr, Pantera and Kuzbass
    - 5 in overhaul/modernization: Volk, Samara, Tigr, Leopard and Magadan (Magadan will probably be leased to India)
    - 1 waiting for overhaul/modernization: Nerpa (which was leased to India but now has been returned)
    - 1 to be written-off: Bratsk
    - 4 already written off: Bars, Kashalot, Akula and Barnaul
    - 5 never completed construction: Irbis, Kuguar, Rys + 2 with no names

    The situation is miserable because RN has almost the same number of active submarines of the 885M project as those of the 971 project. Sevmash knows how to build submarines but overhaul facilities are either incompetent or money is at stake. The modernization of the Leopard submarine takes over 10 years, which is several years more than is needed for the 885M project submarine construction. As I have already written, the only bright spot in Russian shipbuilding is Sevmash.

    Amur shipyard.

    1. K-284 Akula (1984) ; scrapped in the period between 2004 and 2008 at Zvezda...
    2. K-263 Barnaul (1987); scrapped in floating dock PD-14 in the period 2018/19,
    3. K-322 Kashalot (1988); in the process of scrapping at Amur shipyard,
    4. K-391 Bratsk (1989); from 26.09.2014 in Zvezdochka repair plant, inactive. Planned to be modernized to 971M project.
    5. K-331 (1990) ; name REMOVED because one submarine of the project 636.3 has took the name "Magadan", or B-602 Magadan on 01.11.2019. K-331 is in overhaull and this submarine will become the submarine of the project 971U according to russian MOD and it was said that the overhaul will be completed in 2022, not 2023 as previously planned ..
    6. K-419 Kuzbas (1992) ; active in the 10th Submarine Division of the Pacific Fleet based in Vilyuchinsk. Modernized and returned to service in march 2016. Project 971U.
    7. K-295 Samara (1995); from 26.09.2014 in Zvezdochka repair plant, inactive. According to russian MOD the deadline for the return of this submarine to service has not been determined because the complete old equipment has been removed from the submarine, while the scope of modernization work is significantly higher than planned. This submarine will become the 971M project after modernization is finished.
    8. K-152 Nerpa (2009); inactive, in august 2021 it was delivered from Indian navy crew to the crew of the russian submarine K-419. It will probably be handed over to RN, but who knows when.

    SEVMASH ;

    1. K-480 Bars (1988); scrapped by 2010,
    2. K-317 Pantera (1990); probably in service,
    3. K-461 Volk (1991); inactive, from 2018 in Zvezdochka and it is planned to be upgraded to the 971M standard, just like the K-328 Leopard. It is planned to be handed over to the Russian Navy in 2023. Project 971M.
    4. K-328 Leopard (1992); taken out from the slipyard in Zvezdochka on 26.12.2020 and the submarine is scheduled to be returned to service in 2022. Project 971M.
    5. K-154 Tigr (1993); from 2019 in Nerpa repair plant and overhaul will be completed by 2022. This would not happen almost certainly because submarine has not yet been launched and this submarine will not be modernized to 971M standard.
    6. K-157 Vepr (1995); returned to service in 2020 after repair, active. This is not a submarine of the 971M project.
    7. K-337 Gepard (2001); active, project 971U.


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:03 pm

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    #Submarines #SubMonday #News #RussianNavy #ВМФ Project 971 Shchuka-B/Akula class SSN Samara (K-295) will join the Pacific Fleet in 2023 after nearly a decade of repairs in Zvezdochka Ship Repair Centre in Severodvinsk. Photo by RIA Novosti / Vitaly Ankov.



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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:38 pm

    It seems that one of the Akula could have been involved in a weired accident in the Atlantic back in 2020. It collided with a british towed array sonar from a UK frigate.

    The sub's periscope was spoted by the frigate's helicopter before that which led the frigate to tryvto track it.

    It seems UK lost a big part of the sonar and back then I saw someone saying in the commebts of a youtube video that one of the commander of a akula sub received a prestigious medal in the same year...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/06/world/british-warship-collides-with-russian-submarine/index.html

    It was even caught on camera by a UK documentary crew :

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:25 pm

    I'd like to think that the Russian military has a RN towed array in a warehouse somewhere, with specialists crawling over it like army ants on a dead grasshopper...

    I like even more the idea of the Russians snickering to themselves that the NATO tech isn't that impressive and is inferior to their own arrays.

    Pure conjecture I admit, but it gives a small warm glow inside. Twisted Evil

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    Post  Mir Tue Jan 18, 2022 12:43 pm

    An old article from Sputnik but it explains quite well why the Leopard was set to take "at least a decade" to complete it's modernization.

    https://sputniknews.com/20131213/Akula-Class-Nuclear-Subs-Overhaul-Could-Take-Decade--Shipyard-185530336.html

    The overhaul of Russia’s fleet of third-generation Project 971 (Akula class) nuclear-powered attack submarines could take at least a decade, the Zvyozdochka shipyard said Friday.

    MOSCOW, December 13 (RIA Novosti) – The overhaul of Russia’s fleet of third-generation Project 971 (Akula class) nuclear-powered attack submarines could take at least a decade, the Zvyozdochka shipyard said Friday.

    “The planned modernization schedule [for each boat] is at least three years,” Zvyozdochka general director Vladimir Nikitin said in an exclusive interview with RIA Novosti.

    The first Akula-class boat, the Leopard, is already being upgraded at the shipyard, but the work on that vessel will take much longer compared with subsequent submarines because the development of the documentation and technological processes for the necessary repairs have not been yet completed, Nikitin said.

    The overhaul will involve replacement of the electrical wiring, electronics, missile systems and other equipment. The upgraded vessels will also feature better “stealth” capabilities.


    She was re-launched at the end of 2020 and was set for extensive tests that should last at least another six months. The tests has taken quite a bit longer but I'm sure she will be back in service shortly.

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    Post  RTN Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:54 pm

    Isos wrote:It seems that one of the Akula could have been involved in a weired accident in the Atlantic back in 2020. It collided with a british towed array sonar from a UK frigate.

    The sub's periscope was spoted by the frigate's helicopter before that which led the frigate to tryvto track it.

    It seems UK lost a big part of the sonar and back then I saw someone saying in the commebts of a youtube video that one of the commander of a akula sub received a prestigious medal in the same year...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/06/world/british-warship-collides-with-russian-submarine/index.html

    It was even caught on camera by a UK documentary crew :

    The last time similar claims were made "involving Russian Navy" and British warship it turned out that it was actually a BBC documentary. This incident is probably no different.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:35 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:I'd like to think that the Russian military has a RN towed array in a warehouse somewhere, with specialists crawling over it like army ants on a dead grasshopper...  

    I like even more the idea of the Russians snickering to themselves that the NATO tech isn't that impressive and is inferior to their own arrays.  

    Pure conjecture I admit, but it gives a small warm glow inside.  Twisted Evil

    If they wee tracking the sub there would have been no collision since they would have evaded it. Which is somehow a proof that the sonar wasn't tracking it.
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    Post  George1 Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:21 am

    - K-295 "Samara" with the "Caliber-PL" will remain in the Russian Navy, but not modernized on such a large scale as the K-328 "Leopard" pr. 971M
    - K-391 Bratsk, converted for Brahmos missiles, would be transferred to India

    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/258801.html

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:11 am

    There was actually a documentary crew onboard the AEGIS class ship that shot down the Iranian Airbus in the 1980s... that is why we knew at the time there was a fault with the Standard SAM that delayed the launch of the missile by 90 seconds during that engagement... if the attack had really been an attack they would only have had their Phalanx gun mounts to protect them.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:26 am

    Still, rebooting the system using a floppy and 8' diskette was taking shorter than doing the same on the French frigate that denied to start LACMs 40 years later Laughing Laughing
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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:01 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Isos wrote:It seems that one of the Akula could have been involved in a weired accident in the Atlantic back in 2020. It collided with a british towed array sonar from a UK frigate.

    The sub's periscope was spoted by the frigate's helicopter before that which led the frigate to tryvto track it.

    It seems UK lost a big part of the sonar and back then I saw someone saying in the commebts of a youtube video that one of the commander of a akula sub received a prestigious medal in the same year...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/01/06/world/british-warship-collides-with-russian-submarine/index.html

    It was even caught on camera by a UK documentary crew :

    The last time similar claims were made "involving Russian Navy" and British warship it turned out that it was actually a BBC documentary. This incident is probably no different.

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    Pics from that "incident"

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    Post  Mir Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:28 pm

    Russians showing the middle finger! Laughing
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:31 pm

    Mir wrote:Russians showing the middle finger! Laughing

    Only if we consider that the Russian sub uses a Thales electrooptical sight, what Hole wanted to present Laughing
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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:13 pm

    It was a british sub. The question remains if the british sub scored an own goal by hitting a british ship or if the TV channel just put in some pics of a british sub it had in the archives and the accident never occured in the first place.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:19 pm

    The mast was spotted by an helicopter and I doubt they gave them the real footage. More likely they just used random images from internet for their "documentary".

    The ship went into repair after that accident.
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    Post  limb Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:16 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:I'd like to think that the Russian military has a RN towed array in a warehouse somewhere, with specialists crawling over it like army ants on a dead grasshopper...  

    I like even more the idea of the Russians snickering to themselves that the NATO tech isn't that impressive and is inferior to their own arrays.  

    Pure conjecture I admit, but it gives a small warm glow inside.  Twisted Evil
    I mean british propaganda was gloating that the british frigate had already detected and was tracking the russian submarine, while the russian submarine had no idea there was a british frigate in the area and just bumbled onto the the towed array, which supposedly proves that russian subs aren't stealthy and lack situational awareness..
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:05 pm

    limb wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:I'd like to think that the Russian military has a RN towed array in a warehouse somewhere, with specialists crawling over it like army ants on a dead grasshopper...  

    I like even more the idea of the Russians snickering to themselves that the NATO tech isn't that impressive and is inferior to their own arrays.  

    Pure conjecture I admit, but it gives a small warm glow inside.  Twisted Evil
    I mean british propaganda was gloating that the british frigate had already detected and was tracking the russian submarine, while the russian submarine had no idea there was a british frigate in the area and just bumbled onto the the towed array, which supposedly proves that russian subs aren't stealthy and lack situational awareness..

    Does anyone really care what stupid bullshittery those limey bastards come out with? These idiots are under the false impression that their pissant nation is something special, or that anything they say has some value. Small insigificant people...

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    Post  Isos Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:15 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    limb wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:I'd like to think that the Russian military has a RN towed array in a warehouse somewhere, with specialists crawling over it like army ants on a dead grasshopper...  

    I like even more the idea of the Russians snickering to themselves that the NATO tech isn't that impressive and is inferior to their own arrays.  

    Pure conjecture I admit, but it gives a small warm glow inside.  Twisted Evil
    I mean british propaganda was gloating that the british frigate had already detected and was tracking the russian submarine, while the russian submarine had no idea there was a british frigate in the area and just bumbled onto the the towed array, which supposedly proves that russian subs aren't stealthy and lack situational awareness..

    Does anyone really care what stupid bullshittery those limey bastards come out with?  These idiots are under the false impression that their pissant nation is something special, or that anything they say has some value.  Small insigificant people...

    Typical behaviour of a person that lives in the shadow of its dominant boss. When the boss isn't there they act like they are the boss.

    If the boss dies that person finds its place in the garbage.

    They are nothing more than the 51st US state.

    It clearly is a banana republic.

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