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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Mar 27, 2021 4:42 pm

    Arrow wrote:The MiG 41 is reportedly in its early design phase. It would be a huge shock if they presented a prototype this year. Same for LMFS and Slon.

    Nobody is expecting a real thing

    Scale model or mockup
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    Post  Arrow Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:17 pm

    The model is no surprise.
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    Post  Backman Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:01 pm

    Arrow wrote:The model is no surprise.

    Yes it would be. We have zero idea what the Pak Da or the Mig 41 will look like. A scale model would be money.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 28, 2021 6:20 am

    Nobody is expecting a fully serial ready for mass production aircraft... they are saying is that they will reveal something official.. so it might be a model or it might be a chart or drawing, but the design or drawing will be official rather than just an artists impression of what it could be.

    In other words this is the plan for what it will look like and probably a chart showing expected performance and perhaps even potential weapons it might carry...
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    Post  lancelot Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:10 am

    I thought the first two PAK DA prototypes were supposed to have started construction last year? So, it is not impossible one of them will fly this year.

    Perhaps Tu-160M2 also a possibility? It was supposed to fly this year.

    MiG-41 it is too soon I think. I also doubt they will show any models of the MiG-41 before the first prototype is ready.

    We have already seen wind tunnel models of the Slon so that has a high enough possibility of being shown as a model.

    I wish the Il-276 prototype was flying. But I have heard nothing about the PD-14M engines it is supposed to use being ready.
    It should not be too hard since the PD-14 is being produced in batches right now. But I would not be surprised if this still took another two years.
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    Post  Arrow Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:33 am

    GarryB wrote:Nobody is expecting a fully serial ready for mass production aircraft....

    It is not about a fully ready-made airframe, but a prototype. From a prototype to a fully ready-for-production aircraft, it takes many years, as in the case of the Su-57, over a decade. However, the modeler can always do it to themselves. It would be sensational to show a prototype, not a cardboard mock-up.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:32 pm

    Perhaps Tu-160M2 also a possibility? It was supposed to fly this year.

    MiG-41 it is too soon I think. I also doubt they will show any models of the MiG-41 before the first prototype is ready.

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    A fundamentally new aircraft will be presented at the MAKS-2021 air show

    They said a fundamentally new aircraft will be presented... no mention of prototype or even a flight... it might be a photo or a chart or a model, but it has to be something we haven't seen before for it to be fundamentally new.

    So I would say no to a Tu-160M2, or other upgraded version of an existing type.

    We have already seen wind tunnel models of the Slon so that has a high enough possibility of being shown as a model.

    We have seen wind tunnel models of that so it is really not a fundamentally new design.

    I wish the Il-276 prototype was flying. But I have heard nothing about the PD-14M engines it is supposed to use being ready.

    We have already seen models of it because it was suggested to India for joint production as a new transport to replace C-130 and An-12 type aircraft... MTA or something they called it.

    The MiG-41 is possible, and I would say PAK DA is likely because they probably have a rather good idea of the layout for both by now... the latter more than the former.


    It is not about a fully ready-made airframe, but a prototype. From a prototype to a fully ready-for-production aircraft, it takes many years, as in the case of the Su-57, over a decade. However, the modeler can always do it to themselves. It would be sensational to show a prototype, not a cardboard mock-up.

    They wont show a prototype, it is more likely a scale model or perhaps just an image on chart with expected performance... attracting interest from foreign investors.

    And because of that I suspect it might be the new LMFS looking for foreign money to boost the pot to develop it... we have seen the Tempest from Europe... the new LMFS is the Russian equivalent... imagine India and perhaps Turkey and Algeria and UAE getting involved with Russia for such a project... I am sure it would be vastly better than the F-35 promised to be and it would be something else that the F-35 was supposed to be and that is affordable.

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    Post  LMFS Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:37 pm

    The newest Il-114 transport aircraft may become a military aircraft

    The duration of the IL-114 flight exceeds eight hours, said the first deputy chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation Andrey Yelchaninov.

    MOSCOW, April 13. /TASS/. The latest domestic turboprop transport aircraft IL-114-300 attracted the interest of the Russian military. This was announced on Tuesday in an interview."First Deputy Chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission (MIC) of the Russian Federation Andrey Yelchaninov.

    "There is already interest from the military. It is due to the unique flight characteristics of this aircraft, " Yelchaninov said.

    In his opinion, the flight duration of the IL-114, which exceeds eight hours, has become the main feature of the aircraft that interested the Ministry of Defense. "This is necessary for conducting various types of intelligence, relaying signals, and surveillance. A long stay in the air with minimal fuel consumption is a unique characteristic, " said the deputy chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Complex.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:33 am


    Il-114 would be excellent platform for light AWACS or EW plane

    Just imagine the endurance with some extra fuel tanks Cool
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    Post  LMFS Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:46 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Il-114 would be excellent platform for light AWACS or EW plane

    Just imagine the endurance with some extra fuel tanks Cool

    I think it was mentioned before to use it for naval patrol and ASW too, if I am not wrong...

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    Post  lancelot Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:15 am

    I think this aircraft is too lightweight to be much use in such a role. Closest aircraft to this would be the Saab 340 AEW&C.
    Even the Erieye uses a heavier aircraft platform than this.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:54 am

    Or an inflight refuelling probe...

    I think this aircraft is too lightweight to be much use in such a role. Closest aircraft to this would be the Saab 340 AEW&C.
    Even the Erieye uses a heavier aircraft platform than this.

    The difference would be that this aircraft wont be the only aircraft they use in the role... there will be heavier aircraft doing something similar too.

    For AEW or AWACS I would like to see an aircraft with more installed power that could be used on an aircraft carrier and I think the Il-114 is probably too small and light for that...

    MTOW 23 tons, compared with Yak-44 at about 40 tons, which is probably a bit heavy.

    For coastal patrol and anti smuggling roles it could easily replace the An-72 with rocket pods under the wings and gun pods near the wheel bays, and bombs dropped out the rear... Il-114P maybe.

    A SAR model would be useful too...
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    Post  Maximmmm Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:54 pm

    PD-8 design and development is slowly coming along: https://www.uecrus.com/rus/presscenter/odk_news/?ELEMENT_ID=3399
    The core of the engine has been produced in a few trial units.

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    Post  UZB-76 Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:25 pm

    Maximmmm wrote:PD-8 design and development is slowly coming along: https://www.uecrus.com/rus/presscenter/odk_news/?ELEMENT_ID=3399
    The core of the engine has been produced in a few trial units.
    A good replacement engine for Be-200 and superjets

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    Post  Backman Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:24 am

    We can probably eliminate the LMFS fighter from the MAKS unveal sweepstakes. They still aren't sure if it's going to be 1 engine or 2.
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    Post  LMFS Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:28 am

    It will be Yak-40 with superconducting electric engine, it was said some days ago
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    Post  Backman Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:01 pm

    LMFS wrote:It will be Yak-40 with superconducting electric engine, it was said some days ago

    I'm gonna hold out hope that it is more than a        
    re engined Yak 40. Maybe there will be that and something else
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:44 pm

    LMFS wrote:It will be Yak-40 with superconducting electric engine, it was said some days ago

    It would be lamest most anticlimactic bullshit ever by far

    All that fanfare over some reengined crap? At least try putting it on something non-Soviet


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    Post  Backman Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:09 pm

    A fundamentally new aircraft will be presented at the MAKS-2021 air show

    Rostec will present a "fundamentally new aircraft" at the MAKS-2021 air show in July.

    "We want to present as clearly as possible all the achievements of Russia in both military and civil aircraft construction, including promising models of aircraft, helicopters, engines and other components, advanced onboard systems. New products are also planned, in particular, we will show a fundamentally new aircraft for the first time, " Rostec noted.

    Products in plural. The re-engined Yak 40 might be one of those products. It cant be the fundamentally new aircraft. If so, it would be ridiculous comedy gold. lol1

    There was already a Yak 40 unveal. It was in 1967 Very Happy



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    Post  lancelot Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:25 pm

    Old news. But. Yak-40 with composite wing and two Garrett TFE731 turbofan engines.

    This has almost half the fuel consumption, 700 kph instead of 500 kph top speed (35% faster), the wing costs half the price to build.

    If Russian engine was required the Al-222 engine used in the Yak-130 has similar thrust level.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:25 pm

    You guys have no idea what your talking about, the development of electric engines is orders of magnitude more important than the LMFS/LMFI program. The proliferation of mature electric engine technology could massively increase the range of every subsonic aircraft available, upwards of 4x and that doesn't even factor in the increased energy storage density of graphene batteries being developed down the line, which would also subsequently further increase the range significantly.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:58 pm

    I would enjoy more a new fighter indeed, but magnumcromagnon is right in that the first plane worldwide with superconducting engine is not a small thing...

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    Post  Backman Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:54 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:You guys have no idea what your talking about, the development of electric engines is orders of magnitude more important than the LMFS/LMFI program. The proliferation of mature electric engine technology could massively increase the range of every subsonic aircraft available, upwards of 4x and that doesn't even factor in the increased energy storage density of graphene batteries being developed down the line, which would also subsequently further increase the range significantly.

    Not all of us are into green tech. The Yak 40 kicks ass and seeing an electrified one would be great.

    But comparing that to the Pak Da ? Probably the only new Russian bomber we will see in our lifetimes ? Common.

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