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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

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    Post  medo Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:14 pm

    Actually I'm not that much surprised by sorry state of Ukrainian police. Ukraine sold a lot of ammunition inherited from USSR around the World before the war. When the war started, Ukraine lost their ammunition factories, which are now in Novorussia and in ATO they spend a lot of it as well as a lot was destroyed in captured by Novorussian forces. Don't forget, that all those Nazi battalions are included under interior ministry and they took weapons and ammunition from police stocks for their use.

    After Novorussia blockade, taking control over industry inside Novorussian territory by DNR and LNR and closing thermal power plants and steel plants and other factories in Ukraine because of blockade, Kiev regime get less and less money from taxes. Kiev doesn't have enough money to finance large army on the front and police forces to supress people revolting. To import ammunition Ukraine need hard currencies, but they also need hard currencies to import coal, gas, oil and electricity as well as other products from the West. Problem is, that Ukraine doesn't have that much hard currencies and steel plants and other production facilities, which bring a big part of hard currencies are closed now and bring nothing.
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    Post  whir Tue May 02, 2017 1:13 pm

    WTF I am reading? Is there any truth in that SBU is going to run video footage of Odessa's massacre through facial recognition software to identify traitors Shocked.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 02, 2017 2:25 pm

    whir wrote:WTF I am reading? Is there any truth in that SBU is going to run video footage of Odessa's massacre through facial recognition software to identify traitors Shocked.
    I doubt that would surprise anyone on here. What would surprise us is if they were looking for perpetrators rather than traitors.
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    Post  whir Tue May 02, 2017 2:49 pm

    JohninMK wrote:I doubt that would surprise anyone on here. What would surprise us is if they were looking for perpetrators rather than traitors.
    I've no doubt that they used the videos following the masacre but the information of using them now on a much bigger scale to put people on the infamous "punisher" page is somewhat bizarre.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon May 08, 2017 10:15 pm

    Apparently there was an attempt on Edward Basurin today and some others as two explosives went off alongside a road heading to Wait Moglia. 100M from hitting a bus with journalists.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri May 12, 2017 4:00 am

    Very Happy

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    Post  VARGR198 Fri May 12, 2017 1:44 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Very Happy

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    Using old T64s they never had a chance vs the likes of Leopard 2s.
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2597751.html
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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 15, 2017 11:03 pm

    Update on the killing of the American OSCE observer. More at link

    On May 13th, important news came from the Lugansk People’s Republic. The LPR’s People’s Militia came into possession of Ukrainian SMS correspondences discussing the blowing up of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission vehicle on LPR territory on April 23rd, as a result of a which an American observer was killed. The correspondence was taken from Ukrainian operator servers.

    This development was announced by the official spokesman of the People’s Militia, Andrey Marochko. The correspondence evidence shows that several saboteur groups of the Security Service of Ukraine and Ukrainian Armed Forces were involved in the blowing up of the OSCE SMM car. Moreover, the specific names and codenames of the perpetrators of this terrorist attack have been established.


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/05/evidence-shows-ukrainians-killed.html
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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 15, 2017 11:47 pm

    Interesting comment in today's DNR update. Although one can understand the reason this could cause more friction if the 'easterners' are seen to be getting cushy postings in the West.

    The Ukrainian Command is afraid of riots among servicemen from the eastern regions of Ukraine. In order to exclude new tragedies, the command of the so-called "ATO" prepared the instruction of the Commander, in which it is prescribed "... with a view to excluding cases of unauthorized relations between servicemen called from the western and eastern regions of Ukraine... to prepare and submit for approval lists of servicemen called from the Dnepropetrovsk, the Lugansk and the Donetsk regions for their subsequent withdrawal from the zone of the Antiterrorist operation and appointment to equivalent posts in military units deployed in the responsibility zone of the operational commands "North" and "West" within ten days."

    https://dninews.com/article/donetsk-defense-situation-report-05152017
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed May 17, 2017 4:19 am

    http://www.stalkerzone.org/internet-maidan-poroshenko-yandex-vkontakte-tools-redistribution-markets/

    Internet-Maidan of Poroshenko: "Yandex" & "VKontakte" as Tools for the Redistribution of the Markets

    Talks about:

    - How ridiculous it is about the ban on Yandex, etc.
    - How this is a way to force the population to move towards American owned companies like Facebook and Google
    - How the hypocrisy is pointed out by the fifth columnists who support Ukraine's government (people in Russia) who will blatantly ignore these bullshit bans but when Russia does it, it is considered a fight against human rights.
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    Post  Ispan Wed May 24, 2017 8:20 pm

    Doni reports on leaked documents that prove the Ukrainian guilt in the downing of the Malasia airliner

    https://dninews.com/article/leaked-documents-ukrainian-air-forces-shot-down-mh17-confirms-conspiracy-and-guilt

    Most of it things we already knew. Unfortunately no one in the west will believe it. I think this is a leak from the Russians, fully aware that the western investigation will blame Russia no matter what the evidence.

    I would dismiss if it weren't for three facts: no one saw a Buk, the analysis of the damage is inclonclusive, and no fragments were found that could be identified as coming from a Buk warhead.

    So we are back to square one and what we suspected, it was downed by a Ukrainian jet with air to air missiles and gun fire.

    If the rebels or Russia did it, a smoking gun would appear. Given the cover up, then Ukraine had something to do with it. I was willing to believe it was a Ukrainian Buk launcher, and perhaps shot down the airliner by accident. With the Buk ruled out, then it has to be murder.
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    Post  franco Thu May 25, 2017 12:27 am

    Ukrainian government gives it's preconditions before starting to implement Minsk;
    Suspect
    http://tass.com/world/947458
    No
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu May 25, 2017 6:08 am

    franco wrote:Ukrainian government gives it's preconditions before starting to implement Minsk;
    Suspect
    http://tass.com/world/947458
    No

    They are trying to get an excuse not to implement minsk agreement officially by coming up with ridiculous preconditions that wont be approved.
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    Post  whir Thu May 25, 2017 2:39 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:They are trying to get an excuse not to implement minsk agreement officially by coming up with ridiculous preconditions that wont be approved.
    They don't need an excuse in the first place because no one really cares.
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu May 25, 2017 5:20 pm

    whir wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:They are trying to get an excuse not to implement minsk agreement officially by coming up with ridiculous preconditions that wont be approved.
    They don't need an excuse in the first place because no one really cares.

    no they don't. But they are trying to make it look like it is Russia not conforming to Misnk agreements or because it failed due to Moscow. Either way, they will continue to try and ethnically cleanse the area and it is Russia's duty to protect the Russian speakers.
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    Post  TheArmenian Thu May 25, 2017 11:29 pm

    Pretty much sums up the internal/domestic Ukraine situation.
    With English subtitles.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat May 27, 2017 12:57 pm

    So that is it then. The gloves are off, the fish is hooked, the teeth are barred. No more IMF money without serious population angst or selling the country for 10c on the $. Nothing to do with any risk of Russia winning the $3B case and,, horror, horror, getting the IMF money, of course.

    The International Monetary Fund has indicated that it will not release a new loan tranche to Ukraine until parliament approves controversial land privatization legislation and raises the retirement age. Ukrainian economist Alexander Ohrimenko says that the way things are shaping up, a new loan tranche is not happening anytime in the near future.

    IMF officials' latest fact-finding mission to Ukraine has concluded with some unpleasant news for Kiev. On Friday, a press statement put out on behalf of IMF Ukraine mission chief Ron van Rooden indicated that Ukraine would not be getting its next, fifth loan tranche until lawmakers approved the pension and land reform measures which the global monetary organization has been actively pushing. "Securing parliamentary approval of these draft laws will be needed to pave the way for the completion of the fourth review," the statement said.

    Van Rooden wrapped up his visit to Ukraine Friday after spending 10 days in the country holding what the press statement called "constructive discussions with the authorities on reforms needed to improve productivity, attract investment, and continue to strengthen public finances."

    Before the IMF mission started, Deputy Prime Minister Pavlo Rozenko repeatedly insisted that Kiev would stick to its position and that the retirement age must remain unchanged. The politician has complained that if the pension age were raised, as the IMF proposes, many Ukrainians simply wouldn't live long enough to receive their pensions.

    Ukraine's pension system is a holdover from the Soviet period, with men entitled to claim state pensions at age 60, and women at age 55. In the three plus years after the Maidan coup, pensions have declined significantly relative to the cost of living, averaging as little as $75 US, which in many parts of the country is not enough even to pay for skyrocketing utilities costs (another measure insisted on under the IMF's austerity program).

    Asked for comment, economist Alexander Ohrimenko, director of the Ukrainian Analytical Center, said that based on a careful reading of van Rooden's press statement, the chances of Ukraine receiving a fifth tranche from the IMF this year are slim to none. "If one carefully reads the official statement put out by the IMF mission, one can conclude that there will be no money," Ohrimenko said, speaking to Radio Sputnik. "If the mission's experts are satisfied with everything and declare that everything is great, they make a lovely conclusion. That is, they recommend that the board of directors allocate the next tranche. This time, no such proposal was made. In other words, again, there will be no money." Ohrimenko added that the IMF is currently unhappy with Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman's own pension reform proposals.


    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201705271054041305-ukraine-imf-pension-land-reform-row/
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    Post  JohninMK Sun May 28, 2017 6:04 pm

    Just found this about MH-17 released about a month ago by a Dutch journalist and republished by John Helmer. Fascinating reading if you are not sure about the official line and have about 40 mins to spare.

    The lesson is that skills greater than the SBU and others possess are probably needed to prove, disprove or create a complex story like this capable of standing up in court.

    http://johnhelmer.net/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-one-thousand-days-of-faking/
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    Post  kvs Mon May 29, 2017 12:34 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Just found this about MH-17 released about a month ago by a Dutch journalist and republished by John Helmer. Fascinating reading if you are not sure about the official line and have about 40 mins to spare.

    The lesson is that skills greater than the SBU and others possess are probably needed to prove, disprove or create a complex story like this capable of standing up in court.

    http://johnhelmer.net/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-one-thousand-days-of-faking/

    There is lots of yammering about bringing the "criminals" to justice. How the f*ck do they intend to prove malicious intent on the part of
    the SAM operators? It does not matter who these operators are. The substantial legal issue is the responsibility of Kiev ATC for directing
    the aircraft over a war zone with active SAMs deployed. It was not the pilots who flew over the war zone to avoid weather, it was the Kiev
    ATC that guided them there. That the Kiev ATC tapes were "disappeared" is the cherry on top of the turd cake that is called Kiev's responsibility.
    You can bet your bottom dollar that if this was a civilian airliner brought down by a US missile all we would hear is "shit happens" and there would
    not be any front covers on this by Newsweek, Time, etc. There would be no calls for legal proceedings either. And I can give you an actual
    example: Iran Airlines flight 655 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655).
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon May 29, 2017 2:11 pm


    About MH-17 hoopla, they might want to read up on following just in case it really were rebels:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_damage

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire

    You Honor, I rest my case. study
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    Post  JohninMK Mon May 29, 2017 9:10 pm


    During yesterday’s provocative shelling of Krasnogorovka, Ukrainian troops killed around ten Azov regiment militants with friendly fire. This was announced at a briefing today in Donetsk by the spokesman of the armed forces of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Eduard Basurin.

    According to Basurin, Krasnogorovka was shelled from the positions of the Ukrainian 92nd brigade from two directions - from the vicinities of the towns of Marinka and Kurakhovo.


    “Our intelligence has been able to establish that as a result of the shelling by UAF units from the direction of Kurakhovo, the temporary deployment point of the Azov regiment came under artillery fire. Up to 10 Azov fighters were killed, up to 15 were wounded, and seven vehicles were destroyed by the UAF’s friendly fire. This information has been confirmed by sources in the military hospital in Kurakhovo where the dead and wounded were received,” Basurin reported.


    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/05/friendly-fire-ukrainian-artillery.html
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed May 31, 2017 8:44 pm

    Looks like Stockholm court will support Ukraine in the Gazprom fight. Wonder how much Gazprom will be forced to pay? The supposed $45B Groysman claims?
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    Post  KiloGolf Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:08 pm

    note the desperate propaganda language of this video



    So much facepalming...
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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:13 am

    They have a few flyable jets. Majority can barely fly. The repair plants cannot even get the parts nor can they even afford it. Getting a few jets up and having some simulators isn't an accomplishment.

    Oh well, not like things are going good in Ukraine anyway. So having some good news for them in the pile of shit, is at least something to keep them crawling along.
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    Post  Godric Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:35 pm

    i would be surprised if the Mig 29 managed to get in the air with that fat c**t piloting the plane

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