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    Post  ludovicense Fri Dec 29, 2023 3:32 pm

    franco wrote:In 2023, the Russian Armed Forces received over 1,500 tanks and 22,000 drones, according to Russian Defense Ministry end-of-year papers, obtained by TASS.

    "Sufficiency level: over 84%. Shipped: over 1,500 tanks, over 2,200 armored combat vehicles, over 1,400 rocket and artillery vehicles, over 22,000 unmanned aerial vehicles," the document reads.

    The Armed forces have also received over 12,000 automobile vehicles, with over 10% - 1,400 vehicles - armored.

    https://tass.com/defense/1727827

    NOTE: Some more production figures. Would assume the 1400 armored automobiles would be the IMV's like Tigr and the MRAP's.  

    It seems that regarding tanks and armored vehicles, the number of vehicles produced has grown significantly, however, Russia still needs to greatly increase the production of combat fighters (at least 60/70 per year between Su 35/Su 57). Attack drones because Russia cannot overcome the issue of technology and production and should be an absolute priority as they would avoid many aircraft losses. In any case, the increase in next year's budget will certainly have practical effects on the number of weapons.
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    Post  Scorpius Fri Dec 29, 2023 6:31 pm

    ludovicense wrote:
    Russia still needs to greatly increase the production of combat fighters (at least 60/70 per year between Su 35/Su 57)

    1,000 missiles for the S-400 will do more to protect Russian airspace. What Russia should do is to increase the production of tactical aircraft, not fighters. And maximize the production of attack helicopters.

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    Post  franco Fri Dec 29, 2023 7:20 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    ludovicense wrote:
    Russia still needs to greatly increase the production of combat fighters (at least 60/70 per year between Su 35/Su 57)

    1,000 missiles for the S-400 will do more to protect Russian airspace. What Russia should do is to increase the production of tactical aircraft, not fighters. And maximize the production of attack helicopters.

    In all of the different data releases it was mentioned that the Aerospace Forces had got 86 new Air Defense systems. Would suspect mostly Pantsir but also S400/350/500 units would be amongst them. Also another report mentioned 7200 SAM produced but that one didn't specify Air Force / Naval or Ground Forces and seems low if it included all (MANPADS, etc)

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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:53 pm

    That 7.000+ missiles is more than the whole west produced in the last 10 years combined. Very Happy

    What Russia should do is to increase the production of tactical aircraft, not fighters.
    Hypersonic, ballistic and cruise missiles plus suicide drones are faster and cheaper to produce than fighter or attack jets.

    Anyway... aircraft production will be increased next year. Lets wait and see.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 29, 2023 11:10 pm

    With HATO continuing the resupply air defence systems and equipment and providing early warning functions it makes little sense to make lots of planes to send to enemy airspace... it makes rather more sense to continue to make drones and missiles that hit and destroy targets anywhere in Ukraine without risking pilots lives while still destroying targets and getting the job done.

    Certainly stand off air launched missiles and glide bombs should be produced in enormous numbers because they will also be useful when it comes time to push the enemy back and start offensives.

    They are not desperate but rather smart.
    I still can't get the point why are you so raged about that?

    It is possible that what annoys him is also what annoys me is the double standard that the entire west cleaned out all its available stocks of ex Warsaw Pact equipment, weapons, and ammo, and then sent its amazing super HATO standard equipment, weapons and ammo, and also scoured the world for Warsaw Pact standard weapons and ammo and equipment and paid big money for said stuff from any country that would sell and sent it all to Ukraine, but somehow Russia is only allowed to use stuff it made for itself and cannot buy extra ammo or equipment from anyone else because obviously that breaks western sanctions and western double standards on what is allowed during war time.

    The Russians are not running out of anything... except patience... and now news reports are stating that Russia is evil because it is launching missiles at the Ukraine near Christmas and the New Year. Almost like they want the Ukrainians to surrender instead of keeping this conflict going for the next 10 years.

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    Post  ludovicense Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:50 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    ludovicense wrote:
    Russia still needs to greatly increase the production of combat fighters (at least 60/70 per year between Su 35/Su 57)

    1,000 missiles for the S-400 will do more to protect Russian airspace. What Russia should do is to increase the production of tactical aircraft, not fighters. And maximize the production of attack helicopters.

    I respect your point of view but I see it differently. Russia has a huge territory that has increased over the years and needs to be protected. A large air force makes a huge difference in terms of deterrence and attack (see the difference it is making in Ukraine after the massive use of glider kit bombs). A minimum acceptable number would be around 1200 aircraft (I'm talking about the Su 35/57 duo).
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    Post  LMFS Sat Dec 30, 2023 5:28 pm

    UAC has already delivered 30% more aircraft to the VKS this year than the previous one, plus we see that production of Su-57 has almost doubled and in general several batches of tactical planes are being delivered each year now. So this is going on already

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    Post  franco Tue Jan 02, 2024 2:05 pm


    MOSCOW, January 2 - RIA Novosti. The production of ammunition for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has increased 17.5 times since the beginning of the Northern Military District, as reported in the collection of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, published at the end of 2023.

    “Since February 2022, the production of artillery ammunition has increased by 17.5 times,” the ministry’s materials indicate.

    In addition, the collection says, since the beginning of the Northern Military District, the production of tanks has increased by 5.6 times, infantry fighting vehicles by 3.6 times, armored personnel carriers by 3.5 times, and drones by 16.5 times.

    https://ria-ru.translate.goog/20240102/boepripasy-1919449253.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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    Post  franco Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:06 am

    Technical breakthrough: how the SVO accelerated the development of new weapons

    The Russian army received combat systems superior to analogues from NATO countries

    FULL ARTICLE: https://iz-ru.translate.goog/1627128/iuliia-leonova-bogdan-stepovoi/tekhnicheskii-proryv-kak-svo-uskorila-razrabotku-novykh-obraztcov-oruzhiia?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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    Post  franco Fri Jan 26, 2024 1:23 pm

    Since the beginning of the special military operation, the state has been taking unprecedented measures to meet the needs of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. This was stated on January 26 by Deputy Head of the Russian Ministry of Defense Alexey Krivoruchko during a speech at the Unified Day of Acceptance of Military Products.

    “With the start of the special military operation, by decision of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief [Russian President Vladimir Putin ], unprecedented measures have been taken and are being consistently implemented to meet the needs of the army and navy for modern weapons and military equipment,” he said.

    The official said that the Russian Armed Forces will receive from enterprises of the military-industrial complex (DIC) more than 36 thousand basic types of military equipment, 16.5 million weapons, and more than 1 million units of portable weapons. The budget for support of the RF Armed Forces has been allocated, contracting has been carried out, Krivoruchko noted.

    In 2023, the Russian Aerospace Forces received 150 helicopters, more than 100 aircraft of various types, 3.5 thousand unmanned aerial vehicles, eight space vehicles, including launch vehicles of the Soyuz and Angara families. In addition, more than 400 thousand aircraft weapons and anti-aircraft guided missiles were transferred to the Aerospace Forces.

    In addition, the Deputy Minister of Defense said that to replenish the satellite constellation, 18 launch vehicles are planned in 2024.

    More than 7.7 thousand units of weapons, including long-range sea-launched cruise missiles Zircon, Caliber and Uran, were received by the Russian Navy last year.

    In addition, in 2023, the ground forces of the Russian Armed Forces received six brigade and divisional sets of air defense systems. More than 4 thousand models of armored weapons and equipment: tanks and tank support combat vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers were also placed at the disposal of the military.

    “Defense enterprises continue to increase the pace and multiply the volume of production of armored weapons, including the T-90M main battle tank, which, based on the results of combat operations, showed its superiority over advanced Western models,” added the Deputy Head of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    Also during the report, the deputy minister said that in 2023, supplies of priority weapons increased five times compared to the results of 2022.

    The fulfillment by organizations of the Russian defense industry of obligations to supply new equipment to the troops last year amounted to 98.8% of the planned indicators.

    “The Russian Ministry of Defense monitors all stages of production and timely shipment of priority samples of military equipment to the zone of the North Military District around the clock,” said the deputy head of the defense department.

    https://iz-ru.translate.goog/1640280/2024-01-26/opk-postavit-vs-rf-bolee-165-mln-sredstv-porazheniia-i-36-tys-edinitc-tekhniki?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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    Post  franco Mon Jan 29, 2024 1:46 pm


    Growth number one: the Russian military-industrial complex has increased production volumes multiple times
    In 2024, the military industry will produce more than 36 thousand units of equipment and 16.5 million weapons

    FULL ARTICLE: https://iz-ru.translate.goog/1640495/roman-kretcul-iuliia-leonova/rost-nomer-odin-rossiiskii-vpk-kratno-uvelichil-obemy-proizvodstva?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

    “High-precision weapons are given special attention as part of solving the problem of counter-battery warfare and hitting targets in the depths of defense,” he clarified. — We supplied 16.5 million weapons, the lion’s share of which are shells. We use 1 million of them per month. An increase in state defense orders will make it possible to solve the problems of our military personnel this year, solving the problem of fighting FVP drones at the front line at a depth of 7 km and in the surface layer of air up to 500 m - this is now the task.

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    Post  franco Wed Jan 31, 2024 1:18 pm


    MOSCOW, January 31 - RIA Novosti. The production volume of self-propelled artillery units at the Uraltransmash enterprise has increased sixfold compared to 2022, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported.
    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu inspected at the Ural Transport Engineering Plant the implementation of the state defense order for the production and repair of self-propelled artillery systems 2S19 Msta-S, 2S3 Akatsiya, 2S4 Tyulpan, 2S5 Giatsint, as well as 2S35 Coalition SV.
    “General Director of Uraltransmash JSC Oleg Emelyanov reported to the head of the Russian military department that the production volume of self-propelled artillery units has increased 6 times compared to 2022,” the statement says.
    It is noted that during the inspection, the head of the military department clarified plans for the coming months of work. The head of the enterprise reported that the plan was being implemented and there was capacity to increase production, the Russian Ministry of Defense said.
    “If there are opportunities, then we need to use these opportunities,” Shoigu pointed out.
    In addition, the minister criticized the chief designer of the enterprise for delaying the production of one of the promising artillery systems.
    “We got busy with this in 2022. These machines should already be working at full capacity in 2023, but with you everything is so calm, so to speak, good,” the department quotes Shoigu as saying to the plant’s management.

    https://ria-ru.translate.goog/20240131/uraltransmash-1924490767.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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    Post  franco Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:08 pm

    TULA, February 1. /TASS/. More than 500,000 people have been hired by Russian defense companies since the start of the special military operation, Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Lysogorsky said at the Everything for Victory! Forum.

    "Do you know how many people we have brought into defense industry plants since the start of the special military operation? More than half a million people were hired at defense industry sector plants. Salaries increased significantly from the start of the special military operation, thanks in large part to the defense ministry that actually pays for the work," the official said.

    One major plant increased its headcount over the year from 4,800 to 19,500, the deputy minister noted. The average age of defense industry workers is also trending down.

    https://tass.com/defense/1740399

    NOTE: Previously reported figures for the Defense companies over the past several years has been ~2,000,000 employees. This would represent a 25% increase overall.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:51 pm





    Russian Missile Scientists Arrested.



    https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1753341068442317306?s=61



    Girkin/Strelkov arrested.

    Important missile technology developers arrested.


    Somehow no Ukrainian saboteurs are ever arrested.



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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:52 am

    Somehow no Ukrainian saboteurs are ever arrested.

    Ukrainian workers are likely watched like hawks, and in some cases could be used to deliver false and misleading information that does the west more damage than good.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:51 pm

    https://www.eurasiantimes.com/russia-pitches-su-75-checkmate-mig-35-to-middle/

    https://youtu.be/gO5mc59N0nM https://youtu.be/4-oec9FEsv4
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    Post  franco Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:33 pm

    NOTE: Interesting comment regardless of any validation so putting it here.

    The United States produces as many weapons in a month as the Russians can make in one day. This statement was made by Ohio Senator James David Vance. According to him, the monthly capacity of the United States in the production of artillery ammunition does not exceed 30 thousand shells, and the Russian defense industry produces 25 thousand shells per day.

    We produce about 30,000 artillery shells per month. Guess how much the Russians produce? They produce about 25,000 artillery shells per day. Thus, in a month the United States, the world's largest economy , produces as many weapons as the Russians are capable of making in one day – said James David Vance.

    Both the United States and Europe are now trying hard to satisfy the hunger for shells, which, according to the Ukrainian military, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are experiencing. However, both the EU and the States recognize the limitations of available production capacity. In addition, there are serious political differences in the United States, which are significantly hindering the allocation of the next package of military assistance to Kiev.

    In this regard, Europe has already announced the need to take on the burden of providing for the Ukrainian army. But even there today there are no factories capable of quickly producing the required volume of ammunition. Yes, corresponding enterprises are now being launched in different EU countries. But by the time they are able to reach the required capacity, the need for shells from the Ukrainian Armed Forces may disappear. Together with the Ukrainian army and the country itself.

    https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/44329-v-ssha-zajavili-o-25-tysjachah-snarjadov-proizvodimyh-rossiej-ezhednevno.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  Hole Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:05 pm

    the world's largest economy 
    No

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    Post  lancelot Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:20 pm

    It is really sad seeing an Empire in decline really. We can laugh at the UK's pathetic attempts to stand on tip toes and pretend it is a global power. But the US still thinking it is #1 when China can outproduce it in basically everything is quite tragic.

    https://www.defensenews.com/congress/budget/2022/06/08/the-us-is-heavily-reliant-on-china-and-russia-for-its-ammo-supply-chain-congress-wants-to-fix-that/
    https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/6/27/community-warns-of-chinas-edge-developing-explosive-materials

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:27 pm

    Hole wrote:
    the world's largest economy 
    No

    They believe in that at DNA level.
    You can't tell them it is a crap. Nobody will get that.
    It takes time for any addicted to get a point.

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    Post  Hole Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:27 pm

    Like that shit from Politico:

    LONDON — Russia is spending around one-third of its budget on defense, but is burning through arms, ammunition and troops at an unsustainable pace, says a report published today.
    Russia will be able to sustain its war effort in Ukraine for "two to three more years," says International Institute for Strategic Studies Director General Bastian Giegerich. "But in doing so, it will have to sacrifice quality for quantity."
    The Military Balance report by the IISS, a London-based think tank, shows that Russia's invasion of Ukraine has unleashed a deluge of defense spending around the world — most of it from Russia's rivals.
    Global defense spending increased by 9 percent in 2023 to exceed $2.2 trillion; NATO countries spent over half of that amount, with the U.S. leading the pack by a vast margin.

    dunno

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    Post  franco Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:51 pm

    Actually debating not getting a copy of the World Balance this year...
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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:29 am

    A minimum acceptable number would be around 1200 aircraft (I'm talking about the Su 35/57 duo).

    The problem is that the costs to buy and operate such a force would reduce spending in other more important areas.

    Equally I don't think 1,200 would cover it anyway... having 1,200 Su-35/30/57s, plus half that number of Su-34s would be a very good base, but your numbers aircraft, which has been missing all this time would be 500-600 MiG-35s and then a growing number of light 5th gen fighters which will be cheap and light and capable and will fill the gaps created by not being able to buy and operate 2,000 of the bigger planes.

    Having modern AESA radars and IIR systems flying around the battlefield cooperating with ground forces to find targets and engage them with whatever platform is suitable.

    Even a MiG-35 with ARMs and a couple of fuel tanks and AAMs could use its AESA radar and IIR systems to find targets and watch the battlefield in real time and that information can be sent directly to the troops on the ground so they can mark out problem enemy units and find otherwise hidden enemy forces and also detect reinforcements in depth before they arrive that can be hit by artillery or helicopters or other means.

    It is about providing awareness to ground and air forces.

    Now the west supplies new air defence systems so systems operating silent all this time might suddenly pop out and take shots... you might lose a few planes, but the information they provide might save dozens or hundreds of Russian soldiers lives in the process.

    They might operate the MiG-35 back from the front line and it could control an S-70 drone with an AESA radar and IIR optics so unmanned platforms take the brunt of enemy fire... and that is something they need to work out too.

    A stealthy 5th gen fighter that HATO AD can't shoot down would be hilarious... and a good seller on the international market... it might be so cheap HATO goes in to its next conflict in a third world country against an enemy with more and better 5th gen fighters than they have. In fact they might have reverted back to their ancient F-15 and F-16s put back into production because their new stuff is a joke.


    the world's largest economy

    If it was the worlds largest economy it would be out producing a gas station with nukes very quickly...

    Worlds largest ego is more accurate...

    The Military Balance report by the IISS, a London-based think tank, shows that Russia's invasion of Ukraine has unleashed a deluge of defense spending around the world — most of it from Russia's rivals.


    Surprisingly honest, but the increase in defence spending is not going to result in a surge in performance capability... it is going to be used up mostly replacing all the old stock items burned up in the Ukraine that even if replaced one for one by all new and expensive stuff is not going to be enough like it wasn't in the Ukraine.

    They are going to have to increase their stock levels by 1,000% and it is all going to be brand new expensive stuff made even more expensive now by demand.... they are going to be blowing their budgets just to get to where they should have been before the conflict started, but most of their go to stuff they were going to rely on to win against Russia has proven to be not good enough so they will need to start programmes and research to replace it all at an enormous cost.

    The only other option is to change... before they had super weapons that would destroy Russian crap so they could beat Russia in combat when and where they pleased, but with the destruction and defeat of their weapons and equipment it is pretty clear they not only don't have superiority, but they even lack parity in many areas when fighting in Europe in summer, autumn, winter, and spring conditions, so their new doctrine will have to be make all the existing stuff to fill storage sites and change goals to defense... HATO has become a guerilla army... which is still going to cost them trillions because the new ammo is expensive and the volume needed they now understand is orders of magnitude more than they were storing which makes it even more expensive, but it is proven to already be inferior to what Russia is fielding now and they have plenty of new stuff they are ready to roll out to raise the bar even further.

    How long before they start talking about nukes... the cheap security measure.

    Their actions empowering nazism in Europe gives Russia a free hand to support other countries the west might be fighting so it can deliver Kornets and Verbas and Onyx missiles to defeat those western uber weapons.

    Hahahahaha... now when you call Uber for a ride in Europe a Leopard II will arrive I guess... maybe that is what they meant about western super weapons.

    Actually debating not getting a copy of the World Balance this year...

    If you don't buy it it might be hard to find in the Library... will it be in the reference section, the comedy section or the Hollywood bullshit section, or maybe it will be in the horticulture section on maintaining a good garden? What a Face

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    Post  ludovicense Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:24 pm

    The problem is that the costs to buy and operate such a force would reduce spending in other more important areas.

    Equally I don't think 1,200 would cover it anyway... having 1,200 Su-35/30/57s..... half that number of Su-34s would be a very good base, but your numbers aircraft, which has been missing all this time would be 500-600 MiG-35s and then a growing number of light 5th gen fighters...



    There is certainly the issue of cost, although Russia is at war and cannot do without an air force with the minimum quantity necessary for defense/attack. It is certainly possible to reduce costs in other areas, as well as rationalize the existing one in order to make room for these acquisitions. Remembering that mass production reduces unit cost. When it comes to low-cost aircraft, I think they should go with the Su 75, not the Mig 35, which in my opinion is obsolete.
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    Post  kvs Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:52 pm

    We have seen in the course of the Ukraine operation that even an old integrated AA missile system network can shut down air force operations outside of standoff platforms.
    So all the yammering about how many M-35s or Su-57s that Russia needs is not on target. Russia needs to have an excess of anti-aircraft missiles and systems. This includes
    anti-drone units.

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