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    Status of Russian Military Industrial Complex (MIC)

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    Post  PhSt Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:15 pm

    "Experts" say their own shit cause either they are paid to or just want attention. They aren't experts nor smart. Ignoring them and letting them get real jobs like McDonald's is better option.

    The problem is, for every BS lie/propaganda these "Experts" make, at least 5 out of 10 people would believe their BS, this alone is an accomplishment for these cretins since the main goal here is to again, to make an impression in the general public that Russian products are trash. Not everyone bothers to dig deep to try to find facts to back everything that's published out there.

    My proposal is simple, these NATzO propagandists need a little intimidation on their way. Maybe getting run over by a car or truck will give them a reminder that their BULLSH*T requires some accountability.

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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:42 pm

    The problem is that these "experts" are always used by the MSM no matter how wrong and incompetent they are.  Like Daniel "Jerking" Yergin.  

    Russia needs to have laws governing "experts" similar to the laws that exist on giving medical advice in the USA.   So clowns cannot
    go around representing this and that with false information.   It should be a crime.   I am sure that there will be screeching about
    freedom of thought and freedom of expression.   But clearly these freedoms have nothing to do with smear and libel.   These
    "experts" will remain "free" to spread their shit on social media.   They should not have the automatic right to spread their shit
    through the MSM.   That should apply to the editors of the MSM as well.   Their opinions are not facts.

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    Post  franco Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:57 pm

    The media would screw up a trip across the street No plus the people who really know wouldn't tell them $h!t. Wink

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Dec 21, 2020 4:59 pm

    OK, so I see you want to at least murder a few of them.  Dont get me wrong, I dont mind if these people are dead.

    But lets be honest, that will just work against Russia even more.  Better to answer with them using official data and the end.  That shit is readily available.  If dumb people want to believe it, let them believe it.  What difference does it make?  They are just retarded and potato people will always be a potato.  No matter what you say to them.  Smoothbrains.

    kvs wrote:The problem is that these "experts" are always used by the MSM no matter how wrong and incompetent they are.  Like Daniel "Jerking" Yergin.  

    Russia needs to have laws governing "experts" similar to the laws that exist on giving medical advice in the USA.   So clowns cannot
    go around representing this and that with false information.   It should be a crime.   I am sure that there will be screeching about
    freedom of thought and freedom of expression.   But clearly these freedoms have nothing to do with smear and libel.   These
    "experts" will remain "free" to spread their shit on social media.   They should not have the automatic right to spread their shit
    through the MSM.   That should apply to the editors of the MSM as well.   Their opinions are not facts.

    They just need to adjust laws regarding libel. Maybe let the companies who make the equipment sue these "experts". As soon as they are sued, guess what happens? They will shut up cause their wallet will get hurt. That is their weakness.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:07 am

    The problem is, for every BS lie/propaganda these "Experts" make, at least 5 out of 10 people would believe their BS, this alone is an accomplishment for these cretins since the main goal here is to again, to make an impression in the general public that Russian products are trash.

    It is OK... probably only 20% of any population could be considered fair and reasonable... the rest are either too dumb, or have reasons for not wanting to know the truth... it might be that they hate Russians and blame them for this or that or whatever.... it might just be they don't care either way and it is just easier to go with a popular lie than find out the actual truth for themselves... for many people the positive view of the west is their safety bubble and it would turn their world upside down to know what is really going on...

    We can provide better information, but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink...

    My proposal is simple, these NATzO propagandists need a little intimidation on their way. Maybe getting run over by a car or truck will give them a reminder that their BULLSH*T requires some accountability.

    Honestly if the west really understood Russia and was actually being nice to Russia... that is when I would fear for Russias future... the west is a group of teenagers... and for a long time Russia thinks they were cool... but they are involved in drugs and theft and murder and all sorts of terrible things.... essentially they are a street gang... and Russia isn't money rich but has a huge farm property with a lake and lots of things for the gang to have fun using and using up... the sooner Russia realised they are better off finding other friends the better... quit trying to impress the psychopath losers.

    That is not to say if the west ever goes to rehab and drops the alcohol and drugs, which means they can get real jobs and earn their own money instead of stealing from others there could be some future down the track a bit, but right now the west is bad for Russia so the more sanctions and isolation the better.



    The problem with the western media is that there is no one really challenging them to be right... that is what RT is achieving to a degree, but most people watch their news channel... they don't look at alternative stations, so despite being told they get every angle of every story from the BBC and CNN and Fox, they never bother to check... The irony is that if their diversity is watching CNN AND Fox News then the republican and democrat discrepencies will show, but they wont see the unified bits like anti Russia bullshit... or why are we going to war with this country now?

    Both sides in the US love war and love to blame Russia for anything and everything...
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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:12 am

    The modern mass information echo-chamber. This has already given us the social media groupthink drones known as SJWs.
    Millions of idiots riled up into a massive lynch mob chasing all heretics. Each one of them not using what little brain capacity
    they have like swarms of insects, birds or fish.

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:58 pm

    Interesting news: Since January 20, 2021, the Tula Arms Factory has regained its historical name, namely: the Imperial Tula Arms Factory.
    However, given the well-established tradition of naming enterprises, which includes the mention of important government awards, the full name of the company should be pronounced as follows:
    Imperial, Order of Lenin, Order of the Patriotic War, Order of the Red Banner of Labor Tula Arms Factory

    Just for information, if anyone else doesn't know about this enterprise.
    The oldest of the Russian defense factories. It was founded in 1712 by Peter the Great.
    And now I will just list what weapons were produced at this plant since the end of the 19th century:

    - 3-line rifle M1891 (Mosin–Nagant);
    - Maxim gun;
    - SVT-40;
    - ShVAK;
    - Nagant M1895 Revolver;
    - TT-30 (Tokarev);
    - AKS-74U;
    - 9M113M Konkurs-M;
    - GP-25 Kostyor;
    - A-91;
    - AS Val;
    - VSS;
    - TP-82
    - and many, many other weapons.

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    Post  George1 Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:07 pm

    TSNIITOCHMASH transferred to the management of the Kalashnikov group

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4299054.html

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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:08 am

    The pivotal comment there is:

    "consolidates assets in order to accelerate the development and production of small arms and combat equipment of new generations."

    TSNIITOCHMASH makes and designs all sorts of exotic stuff... even a shotgun that uses a 5 shot cylinder revolver... I was thinking of getting one in 410 calibre....

    They also make all sorts of silenced and specialised weapons... and experiment with new types of ammo etc... on reading the article is sounds like they were having financial problems.

    Kalashnikov make the new Lebedev pistol, while TSNIITOCHMASH makes the new Boa... and each company has said it will replace the Makarov... of course they both could be right because most services in Russia still use the Makarov so adopting one or the other pistol will replace the Makarov first.

    But then the Udav does seem to be an SR-1 type replacement with a Poloz reduced size version, both in 9 x 21mm for soldiers and police that need the penetration and power of the round, while the Lebedev is hot loaded 9 x 19mm in a standard and reduced sized package to replace the PYa and Makarov respectively.
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    Post  franco Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:56 pm

    Borisov reporting to Putin on the diversification of the Military Industry Complex to producing civilian products

    Yury Borisov: Vladimir Vladimirovich, you are absolutely right. We have passed the peak of the supply of weapons and military equipment under the state defense order, and the Russian defense industry has moved to a rhythmic supply schedule.

    Competition in the external arms market is quite tough, so the defense industry enterprises, apart from the development of the civilian market, have no other way to financially stabilize. Therefore, in accordance with your instructions - to reach the level of civilian production in 2025, 30 percent, and by 2030 - 50 percent - we are systematically moving forward, and I am ready to report to you on the results.

    According to the results of 2020, the level of civilian products at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex amounted to 25.6 percent against 24.1 percent in 2019, so the dynamics is obvious here. This is facilitated by the systemic measures taken by the Government in terms of promoting domestic products to the civilian market.

    What are these measures? These are primarily price preferences, a ban on purchases of foreign products or restrictions on purchases of foreign products, and we pin special hopes on the amendments approved by you and adopted last year to Laws No. 223-FZ and No. 44-FZ, which regulate the process. purchases.

    The minimum share of purchases of domestic products is established there. We have established them on the basis of established practice, and, by the way, a number of goods that are vital, in particular medicines, are excluded from this share.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4345781.html

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    Post  George1 Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:50 am

    As reported on July 27, 2021 by the Interfax news agency, the creator of the Buran space shuttle NPO Molniya was transferred to the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation (KTRV) from the Kalashnikov concern. This was reported by the press service of the Kalashnikov concern.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4360106.html

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    Post  franco Wed Oct 20, 2021 2:20 pm

    Borisov said that the quality of products for the RF Armed Forces has improved

    MOSCOW, October 20. / TASS /. The quality of the products supplied to the Russian military has improved significantly over the past three years. This was reported to journalists in the office of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov following his speech at the government hour in the Federation Council of the Russian Federation.

    "Separately, Borisov noted an increase in the quality of products supplied to the military - over the past three years, the number of complaints from the troops has decreased significantly," the message says.

    Borisov recalled that in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic, it was possible to ensure the uninterrupted operation of the defense industry organizations under the state defense order and prevent the disruption of its execution.

    "In close cooperation with Rospotrebnadzor, the Ministry of Health of Russia and local authorities, the necessary measures of sanitary and epidemiological protection of people working in the defense industry and performing the tasks of the state defense order were developed and ensured. Borisov also mentioned the amendments to the legislation of the Russian Federation in the field of procurement, which provide for the possibility of changes the terms of the state contract (in terms of execution time and prices) in connection with the spread of the new coronavirus infection, "the message says.

    He told the senators that, by agreement of the parties, an increase in the amount of the advance to 80% was applied and a 100% advance was made for the purchases of the electronic component base, and installments were provided for the payment of tax payments.

    The Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation noted that since April 2020, the activities of defense industry organizations have been monitored in the context of the spread of coronavirus infection and their fulfillment of the tasks of the state defense order. "For almost a year and a half, the actual output of employees of defense industry organizations to work has been from 80 to 90%, and their provision with personal protective equipment is 97%," the office of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation said.

    https://tass-ru.translate.goog/armiya-i-opk/12712387?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:29 pm

    https://t.me/Viktor_Murakhovskiy/366

    The problem in defense industry.

     Chemezov said that the average salary in the defense industry should be raised to be 10 percent higher compared to the average in the region.

     Consider an example in Moscow.
     A radio installer (produces products in demand in tank troops) has a standard hour salary of 168 rubles.  That is, for a month in one shift, he earns 84 thousand rubles.  He receives 60 thousand rubles on his hands.

     A 10 percent increase in wages in Moscow will provide him with a salary in the region of 67-68 thousand rubles.

     At the same time, the order for products for tanks has grown many times over, what was previously required to be produced in a month, now it is bigger dozens of times.

     The main thing in the defense industry are people.  Minimum it should be done is to pay attention to salaries.  Otherwise, we will move toward  results at a snail's pace.


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    Post  Backman Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:54 pm

    If a sector of the economy sees rising demand , then wages have to rise to meet that demand. Just raise wages.
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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:05 pm

    Backman wrote:If a sector of the economy sees rising demand , then wages have to rise to meet that demand. Just raise wages.

    I think that government has to make corresponding laws, as these are, mostly, government owned entities.
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    Post  franco Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:54 pm

    The head of Rostec Chemezov announced plans to produce up to 300 helicopters per year

    Russian Helicopters Holding plans to double the number of aircraft produced this year. We are talking about both military and civilian helicopters. Sergei Chemezov, Chief Executive Officer of the Rostec State Corporation, spoke about this to Military Acceptance.

      “If quite recently we produced about 150-160 helicopters of all types a year, then this year, I think, we will reach 300. These are various helicopters: Ka-52, Mi-28, Mi-35, Ansats,” Chemezov said.

    Also, serial production of Ka-226 helicopters will be launched in the near future. This machine has a modular layout, which allows it to perform various functions - it can be converted, for example, into a passenger or medical helicopter.

       “So far, the engines are foreign, but we are now working on creating our own engine. I hope that in a year, maximum in two, it will appear,” added the head of the corporation.

    See the new issue of the program “Military Acceptance. Rostec. A year in the conditions of SVO" on the website of the TV channel "Zvezda", as well as in the application SMART.TV. In this issue, we will show an interview with the head of the Russian defense corporation and find out how it works in the conditions of a special operation and sanctions. ■

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/2023218150-CWbp8.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

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    Post  franco Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:56 pm


    Moscow. March 23. The Russian military-industrial complex will produce 1,500 tanks this year, Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev said.

    "Our enemies thought that our industry would choke, that is, we would spend everything-here are their endless conversations: "We ran out of shells, we ran out of tanks, we ran out of missiles" and so on. This year we will make 1.5 thousand tanks alone, " he said in an interview with Russian news agencies.

    "The military-industrial complex has become very active, and most enterprises (I speak about this not firsthand, but because I go to them) work in three shifts, work, as they say, from the wheels-they directly give everything to the troops, produce the most modern Russian types of weapons, and even in a situation when they really try to deprive us spare parts, cut off the oxygen supply in certain areas, " Medvedev said.

    According to him, the Russian military-industrial complex produces "very worthy types of weapons, military and special equipment and weapons of destruction."
    As an example, he cited the T-90M tank, "Breakthrough", which, according to Medvedev, is the best tank in the world and surpasses the Western Leopard, Challenger, and Abrams.
    "All the time they remember this very HIMARS-this is quite a worthy weapon, nothing can be said here. But we have not the worst type of weapon, which has the same accuracy and depth of destruction and is better, " Medvedev continued.

    "The most important thing is to produce all these products in the required volumes, and new production facilities are being launched for this purpose. Yes, we did not think about this for some time ago, but it became necessary to launch new weapons production," the deputy chairman of the Security Council said.

    https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.en.894c115c-641c3d87-adffb14a-74722d776562/https/www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=590960&lang=RU

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    Post  ludovicense Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:10 pm

    1500 new? or part of this number are included update? The most important question is how many T-90M, "Breakthrough" will be built... this machine is performing very well. Very little lost.
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    Post  franco Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:11 pm

    New and rebuilds

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:18 pm

    To clear the issue.
    West has not produced a SINGLE tank for years.
    Decades actually, if someone wants to be sharp and clear.
    All are refurbished.

    Russkie does.
    China does.
    India does.
    Korea does.
    Japan does.
    Iran does.

    But not a single NATO country.

    1500 pcs is an insane number.
    Simply insane.
    It is like fivefold the output year on year.

    Funny, isn't it?

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    Post  Hole Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:56 pm

    Not if you are sitting in Washington or Brussels.  Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:03 pm

    Glad you have comforted me, I sit around Berlin Laughing Laughing
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    Post  franco Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:37 pm

    Is not Turkey also building tanks?
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    Post  lancelot Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:44 pm

    Turkey upgrades tanks, they do not build them. They have a plan to manufacture the Altay tank, but it is basically a licensed clone of the K2 Black Panther from South Korea. Production is supposed to start in 2025 but will likely use South Korean parts.

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:36 am

    Before the SMO UVZ and its subsidiaries were mainly focused on making railcars, agricultural tractors and construction equipment for foreign and domestic customers. Making tanks is just a profitable side gig but what really pays the bills is making civilian stuff.

    1500 tanks is an insane leap from 300-400 per annum...

    If I have to guess, the European sanctions have depressed the demand for UVZ's mainline products directly through lost sales and indirectly through through lowered demand for the services these machines provide. Suddenly UVZ has factory spots and legions of workers with not much else to do...

    But build tanks. It seems one way or another UVZ's products will find themselves in Europe. The Europeans just have choose if they come with a cannon, free of charge.

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