Syrian Civil War: News #9

PapaDragon wrote:

Kriva wrote:.........

I might be wrong.

If they were used in Aleppo for last 7 days we would not read the news we are reading.

In your opinion:what Russia got in return for leaving Aleppo ?

I will tell you exactly what they got: peace of mind and comfort in the fact that they no longer need to worry about handing victory in the whole war to SAA on a silver patter just for those morons to give it back to jihadists less than 24h later.

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha  2 hours ago
Food from Idlib enters eastern Aleppo through Jaish Fateh corridor after breaking siege

https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/762273942341955585

Following a successful ambush that left dozens dead and injured, Syrian Army units comprised mostly of the elite Desert Hawks and the Syrian Marines captured Toubal Castle and Huwaysat Shams Mt. in Jabal Al-Akrad region of northeastern Latakia.

This development allows the Syrian Army fire control over the jihadist stronghold of Kinsibba from two separate flanks, Shillif Castle and Toubal Castle. Kinsabba may fall at any moment now, but should the Syrian Army capture it, the army would have to fortify the overlooking hills to prevent the jihadist forces from successfully launching a counterattack on the imperative village.

KiloGolf wrote:There can be no effective fire control on the Ramouseh route opened by the terrorists. The area is way too densely built-up and provides cover to convoys. The result:

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha  2 hours ago
Food from Idlib enters eastern Aleppo through Jaish Fateh corridor after breaking siege

https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/762273942341955585

Congrats to SAA & friends on the ground.

zorobabel wrote:SVBIEDs can be stopped with a pair of balls and a bit of discipline. The YPG have proved that time and again.

higurashihougi wrote:Syrian Army units comprised mostly of the elite Desert Hawks and the Syrian Marines captured Toubal Castle and Huwaysat Shams Mt. in Jabal Al-Akrad region of northeastern Latakia.

Zivo wrote:That looks like cheap propaganda. Besides there are 300,000 people supposedly stuck in east Aleppo, and one "liberated" road. You need semis to sustain that population, not pickups.

calm wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

calm wrote:

Something on this map tells me the terrorists gladly exchanged the naked, exposed route in the north to hugely built-up and urbanised territory on the south. They ended up with more turf in Aleppo, of much more strategic importance.

Seriously, this is by far the biggest military f*ckup in recent human history and one of top 5 overall.

After months of combat SAA managed to put rebels in far better position than they could have hoped even in their wildest dreams.

I will no longer refer to rebels as terrorists. It is evident that they are well trained, dedicated and extremely competent fighting force. Results speak for themselves. In the middle east they are second only to Israel Defence Force.

Also, calling any of the SAA monkey corps ''elite'' is some serious comedy material.

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

calm wrote:

Something on this map tells me the terrorists gladly exchanged the naked, exposed route in the north to hugely built-up and urbanised territory on the south. They ended up with more turf in Aleppo, of much more strategic importance.

Seriously, this is by far the biggest military f*ckup in recent human history and one of top 5 overall.

After months of combat SAA managed to put rebels in far better position than they could have hoped even in their wildest dreams.

I will no longer refer to rebels as terrorists. It is evident that they are well trained, dedicated and extremely competent fighting force. Results speak for themselves. In the middle east they are second only to Israel Defence Force.

Also, calling any of the SAA monkey corps ''elite'' is some serious comedy material.

They are terrorists but these operations prove they can also operate as competent insurgent fighting force. And before anyone talks about those monster VBIEDs and saturation attacks, well their side doesn't quite have an air force, capable to deliver half a dozen of 500, 1,000 or 2,000 lb bombs within minutes. So they use a great amount of equally potent VBIEDs to smash enemy lines. This is how war works, nothing trivial about it. And SAA incompetence is what leads to these defeats, no uber weapon is employed to justify their poor performance. It's all the same since ages ago, just different delivery method.

Zivo wrote:...and it only cost them 2,000+ casualties.

Don't treat this like some masterstroke, a week ago the Aleppo front was collapsing, and they had to pull soldiers from other important fronts to reinforce it. This offensive was an act of desperation, and they won it through suicide bombers and costly human wave tactics. And this route is equally exposed, it still has to cross through the west Aleppo countryside.

The biggest disappointment is the SAA could not repeat their successful defenses, like they have at Deir Ezzor.

PapaDragon wrote:
When it comes to speed, rebels are putting early Wehrmacht to shame:


Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1

#Syria #Syr#Aleppo Militants announce start of phase 4 and reports claim they are trying to break into #Hamindiyah from Two Axis

https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1

I am still baffled by the fact that that place is still holding. Must be something in the water. Probably combination of ISIS halfassing it and SAA having no place to run otherwise they would have been half way to Kabul by now.

2,000 casualties is very low given the scale and importance of the ground gained. This is SAA turf under control since 2011, where supposedly defense and fortifications were expected to be awesome, at the very least.

Zivo wrote:Roughly half of the forces they sent are gone. All to restore the same situation they had a month ago, albeit with a south route instead of the north.

KiloGolf wrote:

Zivo wrote:Roughly half of the forces they sent are gone. All to restore the same situation they had a month ago, albeit with a south route instead of the north.

Given the scale and size of the war, such losses for such a result (supply route + SAA bases eliminated), in the largest city of the country are very low.

AlfaT8 wrote:Ok, where to start:
1) Whether the siege is broken or not cannot be confirmed so we'll have to wait till the dust settles.
2) For the siege to be broken just because of VBIED is just insane, do you guys have any godly idea how many RPGs are littered across the ME.
3) 2,000+ dead "rebels" is not a low number, and let them bring there reserves from Turkey, more meat for the grinder.
4) The thought of the Russian airforce "abandoning Allepo" while there are so many targets gathered in one area is insane, this is the RuAF not the USAF.
5) Why do people underestimate the 36th stratagem.

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
When it comes to speed, rebels are putting early Wehrmacht to shame:
Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1
#Syria #Syr#Aleppo Militants announce start of phase 4 and reports claim they are trying to break into #Hamindiyah from Two Axis
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1

Wonder where their tactical expertise and intelligence comes from. Home grown?

We all know answer to that but it is just detail at this point.

This is pretty much same situation as in 1999. during Serbia-NATO war.

Our guys were on border with Albania defending against this same bunch of mid east nobodies recruited, financed, equipped and transported into Albania by Saudis with the sole purpose of breaching the border. Nothing more. We are talking about literally same set of beardies as today who came from the same places in middle east. Only difference is that they were transported into Balkans instead of Levant.

And for three months straight they tried to breach the border with far superior numbers, intel and weaponry than today's rebels across the terrain that offered lot more opportunities for concealment.

And they all got obliterated. This was with entire NATO air fleet supporting them from above. I am talking about our troops surviving and defending the border while they had squadrons of A-10 Warthogs hitting their positions from the air.

Seeing SAA failing so miserably against much weaker force than 99' Jihad Road Show, all the while having all possible advantages and not a single disadvantage simply bogles the mind.

calm wrote: