Syrian Civil War: News #9

PapaDragon wrote:

Kriva wrote:.........

I might be wrong.

If they were used in Aleppo for last 7 days we would not read the news we are reading.

In your opinion:what Russia got in return for leaving Aleppo ?

I will tell you exactly what they got: peace of mind and comfort in the fact that they no longer need to worry about handing victory in the whole war to SAA on a silver patter just for those morons to give it back to jihadists less than 24h later.

Yeah one of the possible explanations but wouldn't that be too cheap ?

Usually we see relaxing of sanctions, change of the rhetoric ect.

There can be no effective fire control on the Ramouseh route opened by the terrorists. The area is way too densely built-up and provides cover to convoys. The result:

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha  2 hours ago
Food from Idlib enters eastern Aleppo through Jaish Fateh corridor after breaking siege

https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/762273942341955585

Congrats to SAA & friends on the ground.

Some good news to ease the tense atmotsphere...

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-flanks-strategic-latakia-town/?utm_medium=ppc&utm_source=push&utm_campaign=push+notifications&utm_content=English

Following a successful ambush that left dozens dead and injured, Syrian Army units comprised mostly of the elite Desert Hawks and the Syrian Marines captured Toubal Castle and Huwaysat Shams Mt. in Jabal Al-Akrad region of northeastern Latakia.

This development allows the Syrian Army fire control over the jihadist stronghold of Kinsibba from two separate flanks, Shillif Castle and Toubal Castle. Kinsabba may fall at any moment now, but should the Syrian Army capture it, the army would have to fortify the overlooking hills to prevent the jihadist forces from successfully launching a counterattack on the imperative village.

Or you can try to catch some Voltorb in Aleppo.

https://www.rt.com/viral/354907-syria-kids-pokemon-aleppo/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Syrian kids chase Pokémon in war-torn Aleppo (VIDEO)

KiloGolf wrote:There can be no effective fire control on the Ramouseh route opened by the terrorists. The area is way too densely built-up and provides cover to convoys. The result:

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha  2 hours ago
Food from Idlib enters eastern Aleppo through Jaish Fateh corridor after breaking siege

https://twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/762273942341955585

Congrats to SAA & friends on the ground.

That looks like cheap propaganda. Besides there are 300,000 people supposedly stuck in east Aleppo, and one "liberated" road. You need semis to sustain that population, not pickups.

zorobabel wrote:SVBIEDs can be stopped with a pair of balls and a bit of discipline. The YPG have proved that time and again.

And simple WW2 era anti-tank obstacles. Government bases and vital infrastructure on or near the frontlines are virtually naked of any kind of fortification whatsoever, it's all barrels and at best some weak trenches. Mines, claymores and other types of DIY booby traps are unknown words to the SAA (Snapchat Arab Army).

higurashihougi wrote:Syrian Army units comprised mostly of the elite Desert Hawks and the Syrian Marines captured Toubal Castle and Huwaysat Shams Mt. in Jabal Al-Akrad region of northeastern Latakia.

"Desert Hawks", "Syrian Marines"

lets not forget hipster Selfie Delta Force, Twitter Juicing battalions and Special Beard Operators.

Zivo wrote:That looks like cheap propaganda. Besides there are 300,000 people supposedly stuck in east Aleppo, and one "liberated" road. You need semis to sustain that population, not pickups.

Not really, it's the reality as of nearly 24 h ago. There is a solid land route established, and snapchat brigades were simply brushed aside by the terrorists. Pickups are only a start, tunnels will follow.

calm wrote:

Something on this map tells me the terrorists gladly exchanged the naked, exposed route in the north to hugely built-up and urbanised territory on the south. They ended up with more turf in Aleppo, of much more strategic importance.

Terrorists remain surrounded in eastern and south-eastern parts of the city of Aleppo despite recent reports about alleged breaking the siege, according to a RIA Novosti correspondent.

ALEPPO (Sputnik) – Terrorists are still surrounded by the Syrian army in the northern city of Aleppo with the fighting continuing in the south-western part of the city, a RIA Novosti correspondent reported.

Terrorists remain surrounded in eastern and south-eastern parts of the city despite Saturday reports about alleged breaking the siege. All supply lines are also controlled by the Syrian army.


http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160807/1044028262/syria-aleppo-fighting.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2F20lyITabty&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=bRYK&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

KiloGolf wrote:

calm wrote:

Something on this map tells me the terrorists gladly exchanged the naked, exposed route in the north to hugely built-up and urbanised territory on the south. They ended up with more turf in Aleppo, of much more strategic importance.

Seriously, this is by far the biggest military f*ckup in recent human history and one of top 5 overall.

After months of combat SAA managed to put rebels in far better position than they could have hoped even in their wildest dreams.

I will no longer refer to rebels as terrorists. It is evident that they are well trained, dedicated and extremely competent fighting force. Results speak for themselves. In the middle east they are second only to Israel Defence Force.

Also, calling any of the SAA monkey corps ''elite'' is some serious comedy material.

PapaDragon wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

calm wrote:

Something on this map tells me the terrorists gladly exchanged the naked, exposed route in the north to hugely built-up and urbanised territory on the south. They ended up with more turf in Aleppo, of much more strategic importance.

Seriously, this is by far the biggest military f*ckup in recent human history and one of top 5 overall.

After months of combat SAA managed to put rebels in far better position than they could have hoped even in their wildest dreams.

I will no longer refer to rebels as terrorists. It is evident that they are well trained, dedicated and extremely competent fighting force. Results speak for themselves. In the middle east they are second only to Israel Defence Force.

Also, calling any of the SAA monkey corps ''elite'' is some serious comedy material.

They are terrorists but these operations prove they can also operate as competent insurgent fighting force. And before anyone talks about those monster VBIEDs and saturation attacks, well their side doesn't quite have an air force, capable to deliver half a dozen of 500, 1,000 or 2,000 lb bombs within minutes. So they use a great amount of equally potent VBIEDs to smash enemy lines. This is how war works, nothing trivial about it. And SAA incompetence is what leads to these defeats, no uber weapon is employed to justify their poor performance. It's all the same since ages ago, just different delivery method.

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

calm wrote:

Something on this map tells me the terrorists gladly exchanged the naked, exposed route in the north to hugely built-up and urbanised territory on the south. They ended up with more turf in Aleppo, of much more strategic importance.

Seriously, this is by far the biggest military f*ckup in recent human history and one of top 5 overall.

After months of combat SAA managed to put rebels in far better position than they could have hoped even in their wildest dreams.

I will no longer refer to rebels as terrorists. It is evident that they are well trained, dedicated and extremely competent fighting force. Results speak for themselves. In the middle east they are second only to Israel Defence Force.

Also, calling any of the SAA monkey corps ''elite'' is some serious comedy material.

They are terrorists but these operations prove they can also operate as competent insurgent fighting force. And before anyone talks about those monster VBIEDs and saturation attacks, well their side doesn't quite have an air force, capable to deliver half a dozen of 500, 1,000 or 2,000 lb bombs within minutes. So they use a great amount of equally potent VBIEDs to smash enemy lines. This is how war works, nothing trivial about it. And SAA incompetence is what leads to these defeats, no uber weapon is employed to justify their poor performance. It's all the same since ages ago, just different delivery method.

...and it only cost them 2,000+ casualties.

Don't treat this like some masterstroke, a week ago the Aleppo front was collapsing, and they had to pull soldiers from other important fronts to reinforce it. This offensive was an act of desperation, and they won it through suicide bombers and costly human wave tactics. And this route is equally exposed, it still has to cross through the west Aleppo countryside.

The biggest disappointment is the SAA could not repeat their successful defenses, like they have at Deir Ezzor.

Haraket al-Nujba, Iraq's Hezbollah, has announced that they are sending 2,000 fighters to reinforce Aleppo. Which if accurate, would open the door for a counterattack given that the rebels started with 5,000 fighters.

Zivo wrote:...and it only cost them 2,000+ casualties.

Don't treat this like some masterstroke, a week ago the Aleppo front was collapsing, and they had to pull soldiers from other important fronts to reinforce it. This offensive was an act of desperation, and they won it through suicide bombers and costly human wave tactics. And this route is equally exposed, it still has to cross through the west Aleppo countryside.

The biggest disappointment is the SAA could not repeat their successful defenses, like they have at Deir Ezzor.

2,000 casualties is very low given the scale and importance of the ground gained. This is SAA turf under control since 2011, where supposedly defense and fortifications were expected to be awesome, at the very least.

Then we have an opposition side that keeps thousands of fighters on standby holidays in Turkey, en-route from EU, Russia and 'stans or fully trained and kitted up next door in Idlib (a region virtually immune to government operations). By the end of the month, if not sooner, these losses on insurgents and kit will be replaced and bankrolled courtesy of Gulf economies.

As I said before, delivering 500 kg or 1000 kg of explosives, be it via air or VBIED makes no difference. Concerning human waves, I never really saw such footage. Using superior numbers of infantry properly =/= human waves, they just could pull it off. Unlike SAA that seems to know nothing on how to fortify/defend strategic locations along the front lines, as we saw on the footage.

Also a pro-SAA city filled with citizens and tribesmen vs. IS foreigners is very different to SAA defending their own bases and ending up running away within hours.

Zivo wrote:.........

The biggest disappointment is the SAA could not repeat their successful defenses, like they have at Deir Ezzor.

I am still baffled by the fact that that place is still holding. Must be something in the water. Probably combination of ISIS halfassing it and SAA having no place to run otherwise they would have been half way to Kabul by now.

KiloGolf wrote:
.......... . By the end of the month, if not sooner, these losses on insurgents and kit will be replaced and bankrolled courtesy of Gulf economies.
.............

Next month? They will be replaced long before the end of next work week.

When it comes to speed, rebels are putting early Wehrmacht to shame:


Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1

#Syria #Syr#Aleppo Militants announce start of phase 4 and reports claim they are trying to break into #Hamindiyah from Two Axis

https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1

I am still baffled by the fact that that place is still holding. Must be something in the water. Probably combination of ISIS halfassing it and SAA having no place to run otherwise they would have been half way to Kabul by now.

I think it's a combination of the Euphrates on one side, and open desert to the west. Hard defenses work if properly prepared.

2,000 casualties is very low given the scale and importance of the ground gained. This is SAA turf under control since 2011, where supposedly defense and fortifications were expected to be awesome, at the very least.

Roughly half of the forces they sent are gone. All to restore the same situation they had a month ago, albeit with a south route instead of the north.


Jets pound rebels after they break Aleppo siege

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-aleppo-idUSKCN10I0M2

...But fierce fighting and continuous Russian and Syrian air strikes in and around the Ramousah area mean no safe passage for besieged east Aleppo residents has been established, activists and the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

"We have now seized full control of the Ramousah area...We are in our trenches but there are insane air strikes of unprecedented ferociousness. The regime is using cluster and vacuum bombs," said Abu al Hasanien, a senior commander in Fateh Halab, the coalition of moderate rebel groups inside the city.

Zivo wrote:Roughly half of the forces they sent are gone. All to restore the same situation they had a month ago, albeit with a south route instead of the north.

Given the scale and size of the war, such losses for such a result (supply route + SAA bases eliminated), in the largest city of the country are very low.

KiloGolf wrote:

Zivo wrote:Roughly half of the forces they sent are gone. All to restore the same situation they had a month ago, albeit with a south route instead of the north.

Given the scale and size of the war, such losses for such a result (supply route + SAA bases eliminated), in the largest city of the country are very low.

They still have to hold the ground they gained. If by tonight they cannot maintain their momentum, we will be able to better gauge their ability to maintain the narrow corridor they control.

There is rumor Russia refuses to give air support in southern Aleppo because Hezbollah is there because of Israel pressure. WTF? Why would Israel dictate Russians what to do? If Israel tells Putin to kill himself, Putin has to do it? Israel is an enemy of Russia simply because Israel is an ally of the US. When was the last time Israel ever bought a Russian made hardware? Never. Israel only has a few million people. Iran and Iraq have hundreds of millions of people. Iran and Iraq are enemies of Israel. Russians have to pick sides. Either Iran and Iraq or Israel. The choice is clear.

However I doubt this rumor is true. Syria is an enemy of Israel and if Russia does what Israel tells Russians what to do, Russians would not be helping Syria in the first place.

AlfaT8 wrote:Ok, where to start:
1) Whether the siege is broken or not cannot be confirmed so we'll have to wait till the dust settles.
2) For the siege to be broken just because of VBIED is just insane, do you guys have any godly idea how many RPGs are littered across the ME.
3) 2,000+ dead "rebels" is not a low number, and let them bring there reserves from Turkey, more meat for the grinder.
4) The thought of the Russian airforce "abandoning Allepo" while there are so many targets gathered in one area is insane, this is the RuAF not the USAF.
5) Why do people underestimate the 36th stratagem.

+1 on all points.

JohninMK wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
When it comes to speed, rebels are putting early Wehrmacht to shame:
Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1
#Syria #Syr#Aleppo Militants announce start of phase 4 and reports claim they are trying to break into #Hamindiyah from Two Axis
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1

Wonder where their tactical expertise and intelligence comes from. Home grown?

We all know answer to that but it is just detail at this point.

This is pretty much same situation as in 1999. during Serbia-NATO war.

Our guys were on border with Albania defending against this same bunch of mid east nobodies recruited, financed, equipped and transported into Albania by Saudis with the sole purpose of breaching the border. Nothing more. We are talking about literally same set of beardies as today who came from the same places in middle east. Only difference is that they were transported into Balkans instead of Levant.

And for three months straight they tried to breach the border with far superior numbers, intel and weaponry than today's rebels across the terrain that offered lot more opportunities for concealment.

And they all got obliterated. This was with entire NATO air fleet supporting them from above. I am talking about our troops surviving and defending the border while they had squadrons of A-10 Warthogs hitting their positions from the air.

Seeing SAA failing so miserably against much weaker force than 99' Jihad Road Show, all the while having all possible advantages and not a single disadvantage simply bogles the mind.

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
When it comes to speed, rebels are putting early Wehrmacht to shame:
Ivan Sidorenko ‏@IvanSidorenko1
#Syria #Syr#Aleppo Militants announce start of phase 4 and reports claim they are trying to break into #Hamindiyah from Two Axis
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1

Wonder where their tactical expertise and intelligence comes from. Home grown?

We all know answer to that but it is just detail at this point.

This is pretty much same situation as in 1999. during Serbia-NATO war.

Our guys were on border with Albania defending against this same bunch of mid east nobodies recruited, financed, equipped and transported into Albania by Saudis with the sole purpose of breaching the border. Nothing more. We are talking about literally same set of beardies as today who came from the same places in middle east. Only difference is that they were transported into Balkans instead of Levant.

And for three months straight they tried to breach the border with far superior numbers, intel and weaponry than today's rebels across the terrain that offered lot more opportunities for concealment.

And they all got obliterated. This was with entire NATO air fleet supporting them from above. I am talking about our troops surviving and defending the border while they had squadrons of A-10 Warthogs hitting their positions from the air.

Seeing SAA failing so miserably against much weaker force than 99' Jihad Road Show, all the while having all possible advantages and not a single disadvantage simply bogles the mind.

Without Serbian arms like mortars and mortars rounds in the hands of terrorists, Syria would not in the same shape today. What's with the backstabbing? Russians abandoned Serbs so Serbs backstab Russians?

calm wrote:

What is the source for this graphic. It looks like propaganda fantasy. People talk about the "rebels" clearing out highly
built up areas. Seriously!? These "rebels" are the best urban warfare force like ever? Get real.

The big new gap in the south is utter nonsense. At most it is a type of no man's land with fluid control. And it is clear
that the "rebels" are losing lots of meat trying to break through. Yet this map claims they just rolled over the SAA
and its allies. Not bloody likely.