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    Post  medo Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:15 pm

    Excellent success od SAA in Aleppo front. It seems, that jihadist division is broken now, as they sent around ten thousand jihadist from other fronts to break the siege and to defend the corridor. I wonder if jihadists could take another similar number of terrorists from other fronts for another Aleppo breaking or will this make other front too vulnerable for SAA offensives. Anyway, Obama's terrorists were greatly defeated and receive large losses, which will have big strategic impact on situation in Syria.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:59 pm

    calm wrote:

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    Daym, is it Thanksgiving already? Because somebody's goose is cooked... Twisted Evil
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    Post  calm Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:20 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Daym, is it Thanksgiving already? Because somebody's goose is cooked... Twisted Evil    

    Wait and see what comes next.  Very Happy



    Iranian, Syrian commanders meet to discuss upcoming Aleppo offensive
    Syrian Civil War: News #9 - Page 21 Crs2BdbVIAArpWz
    Major General Qassim Suleimani, the commander of Iran’s elite “Quds Force,” made a secret trip to southern Aleppo on Tuesday in order to discuss the upcoming large-scale offensive with his counterparts in the Syrian Arab Army (SAA).

    Among the many people that met with the Iranian general on Tuesday, Major Duraid Abu ‘Ammar of the Syrian Arab Army’s “Tiger Forces” was likely his most important meeting.

    Major Abu ‘Ammar is considered one of the highest ranking officers in the Tiger Forces and one of Colonel Suheil Al-Hassan’s (leader of the Tiger Forces) most trusted commanders.

    According to a military source in the Aleppo Governorate, the Tiger Forces commander and Iranian general discussed the upcoming offensive’s battle plans.

    For the first time in this war, the commanders of the Tiger Forces and Iranian military advisors are coordinating a wide-scale offensive in the Aleppo Governorate that is geared to retake a large chunk of territory from the jihadist rebels.

    While several Syrian Arab Army units fight alongside Hezbollah and Harakat Al-Nujaba (Iraqi paramilitary), the Tiger Forces were one of the few that did not directly coordinate with the latter.

    No official date has been set for this southern Aleppo offensive; however, it is expected to start in the coming weeks, as the Tiger Forces and Republican Guard conclude their operations near Al-Ramouseh.
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    Post  airstrike Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:43 am

    Turkey says it's ready to capture Syria's Raqqa from ISIS

    http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/07/turkey-says-its-ready-to-capture-syrias-raqqa-from-isis/
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    Post  airstrike Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:07 pm

    Video: Turkish M60T Sabra tanks hit by ISIS ATGM near Al-Rai, northern Syria

    http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/07/video-turkish-m60t-sabra-tanks-hit-by-isis-atgm-near-al-rai-northern-syria/
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Wed Sep 07, 2016 2:46 pm

    airstrike wrote:Video: Turkish M60T Sabra tanks hit by ISIS ATGM near Al-Rai, northern Syria

    http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/07/video-turkish-m60t-sabra-tanks-hit-by-isis-atgm-near-al-rai-northern-syria/


    Two tanks hit by Konkurs....There are aftermath pictures according to ISIS. Two BBQ.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:21 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    airstrike wrote:Video: Turkish M60T Sabra tanks hit by ISIS ATGM near Al-Rai, northern Syria

    http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/07/video-turkish-m60t-sabra-tanks-hit-by-isis-atgm-near-al-rai-northern-syria/


    Two tanks hit by Konkurs....There are aftermath pictures according to ISIS. Two BBQ.
    A bit of the roaring 70's coming back. Soviet rough love.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:08 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    airstrike wrote:Video: Turkish M60T Sabra tanks hit by ISIS ATGM near Al-Rai, northern Syria

    http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/07/video-turkish-m60t-sabra-tanks-hit-by-isis-atgm-near-al-rai-northern-syria/


    Two tanks hit by Konkurs....There are aftermath pictures according to ISIS. Two BBQ.

    Who the hell uses M-60 in this day and age? Suspect

    I saw Leopard tanks on Bosporus bridge during that coup but they decided sent those glorified technicals into real war?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:11 pm

    SAA advancing on Khan Tuman, ever since those Russians got there the SAA has been making dam fine progress. Guess they took over leadership positions after all

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh7xkdSpp7U
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:24 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:SAA advancing on Khan Tuman, ever since those Russians got there the SAA has been making dam fine progress. Guess they took over leadership positions after all

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh7xkdSpp7U

    Well in Lord of the Rings Orcs are pretty useless unless they have couple of Uruk-Hais in charge... lol1 Cool
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:38 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    airstrike wrote:Video: Turkish M60T Sabra tanks hit by ISIS ATGM near Al-Rai, northern Syria

    http://echelon-defense.com/2016/09/07/video-turkish-m60t-sabra-tanks-hit-by-isis-atgm-near-al-rai-northern-syria/


    Two tanks hit by Konkurs....There are aftermath pictures according to ISIS. Two BBQ.
    A bit of the roaring 70's coming back. Soviet rough love.

    Baby don't hurt me...no more.

    This Syrian war is really showing that WW3 was going to be a fucked up affair for tankers. Damn Konkurs tearing up through SABRA mod for M60 like it was nothing.

    Also 3 dead and 4 wounded.

    One tank brewed the other one was badly damaged. Here's thinking what could have happened in 2003 had the Iraqis had decent stocks of ATGM's.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:48 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:SAA advancing on Khan Tuman, ever since those Russians got there the SAA has been making dam fine progress. Guess they took over leadership positions after all

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh7xkdSpp7U

    Actually a lot of people have been going in. Every one you need (Iranians, Russians, Hizb) have decided they need Aleppo. So they are getting Aleppo.

    Meanwhile Turkey is going on with its plan to "attack" ISIS and kill Kurds. So right now everything is going well. It is time to clean Damascus and then start slicing Hama. 2016 looks like a good, good year.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:29 am



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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:53 am

    Ali Khalouf, commander of 87th Brigade, 11th Tank Division, killed in Ma'ardes:
    Syrian Civil War: News #9 - Page 21 Cr0FRNBWEAA6gLD

    What's up with those Syrian/Iranian generals that they drop like flies? It's already 3rd or 4th general killed this month.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:02 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Ali Khalouf, commander of 87th Brigade, 11th Tank Division, killed in Ma'ardes:
    Syrian Civil War: News #9 - Page 21 Cr0FRNBWEAA6gLD

    What's up with those Syrian/Iranian generals that they drop like flies? It's already 3rd or 4th general killed this month.
    Arabs seem to use their generals alongside their front line units, with all the risks that such a strategy entails. Good for morale and consequently terrible for it when they inevitably drop dead.


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    Post  Khepesh Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:30 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    This Syrian war is really showing that WW3 was going to be a fucked up affair for tankers.
    For those who do not know what they are doing, yes. But that video shows perfectly how to get killed in a tank, it is in fact the worst example of positioning tanks in combat I have ever seen, like a parade of ducks to shoot at a fairground. Turkish commander needs sacking immediately and that battalion needs withdrawing from combat for extensive training in how to use tanks, and to learn what "hull down" means, or "using cover" or "fire and maneuver" or "common sense".
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:33 am

    Sending high ranking officers to the frontline serves no purpose and is a trendemous waste of men with invaluable staff experience (you can't fight wars with just captains, lieutenants and sergeants).
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    Post  franco Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:59 am

    Another 1,000 plus Syrian Marines complete 6 months training and equipping from the Russians. This will change some battle front.

    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/1000-syrian-marines-complete-training-latakia/
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:04 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Sending high ranking officers to the frontline serves no purpose and is a trendemous waste of men with invaluable staff experience (you can't fight wars with just captains, lieutenants and sergeants).
    Maybe, but it is not new, that is the way the Iranian forces operate and is the way armies used to fight before the bloating of the higher ranks due to bureaucracy. Their command structure must be designed to absorb these events. Maybe their military is divided into 'action' and 'paperwork' activities much more than Western militaries. I know many senior officers who really do not want to be sat behind desks, they miss the 'sharp end' with all its risks.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:43 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:

    This Syrian war is really showing that WW3 was going to be a fucked up affair for tankers.  
    For those who do not know what they are doing, yes. But that video shows perfectly how to get killed in a tank, it is in fact the worst example of positioning tanks in combat I have ever seen, like a parade of ducks to shoot at a fairground. Turkish commander needs sacking immediately and that battalion needs withdrawing from combat for extensive training in how to use tanks, and to learn what "hull down" means, or "using cover" or "fire and maneuver" or "common sense".

    Yeah: ride on a M60. Guaranteed BBQ.

    No seriously...it's impossible to get a well protected position in this war because the numbers are too small and the terrain too hostile.

    Northern Syria= Bald plains or medium sized hamlets with great kill funnel (we all have seen those nasty ATGM shots all war long).
    Southern Syria...Desert.
    Eastern Syria Desert and small hamlets...
    Western Syria Huge ass ridge impossible to attack with mechanized forces without getting pieced.

    The tactical advantage that ISIS and the beardies have on such troops is that they don't need to disguise their vehicles or have a huge footprint, they can wait until the Mech force needs to halt to assess the progress. Kurds hit the Turks exactly like that. ISIS ddin't do it differently. The Turks and Syrians do...because those are force multipliers. Also hull down means nothing in this case, the ATGM hit the turret on the first tank which started cook off. Second tank was hit on the trapshot ERA which eased off the penetration. Still 4 wounded (driver is critical according to twitter, tank's turret ring is fucked, 't was a miracle it didn't brew and I don't belive on "slight injury" from Turkish press).

    In this case unless they were sporting T90's/Leo2 they were goners anyway.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:40 pm

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    Bit***z: Aleppa Nash! ;-)
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    Post  Khepesh Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:20 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Yeah: ride on a M60. Guaranteed BBQ.

    No seriously...it's impossible to get a well protected position in this war because the numbers are too small and the terrain too hostile.

    Northern Syria= Bald plains or medium sized hamlets with great kill funnel (we all have seen those nasty ATGM shots all war long).
    Southern Syria...Desert.
    Eastern Syria Desert and small hamlets...
    Western Syria Huge ass ridge impossible to attack with mechanized forces without getting pieced.

    The tactical advantage that ISIS and the beardies have on such troops is that they don't need to disguise their vehicles or have a huge footprint, they can wait until the Mech force needs to halt to assess the progress. Kurds hit the Turks exactly like that. ISIS ddin't do it differently. The Turks and Syrians do...because those are force multipliers. Also hull down means nothing in this case, the ATGM hit the turret on the first tank which started cook off. Second tank was hit on the trapshot ERA which eased off the penetration. Still 4 wounded (driver is critical according to twitter, tank's turret ring is fucked, 't was a miracle it didn't brew and I don't belive on "slight injury" from Turkish press).

    In this case unless they were sporting T90's/Leo2 they were goners anyway.
    Hull down reduces target visibility by 50% and makes it a bit harder for the enemy, so is worthwhile. They were in the open on the forward slope of a ridge when they should have been in hull, or even turret down positions on the reverse slope, no excuse not to do this. If and when they need to advance over the ridge, were is their reccon, they know the nature of what they face so no need to send tanks in completely open. If they see terrain or buildings that are likely to hide enemy, then use speculative fire to see if it stirs them up, and then if necessary call down artillery strike, and in situation that looks bad from the beginning, hit it with artillery first anyway, or at least use their tanks as artillery. They broke the most basic rule of tank warfare, exposing themselves in full view on a ridge tracks up while remaining stationary, they may as well have been static targets on a range, total incompetance by them. And while hight of M-60 makes it a big target, the trunnions are sufficiently high and the commander is so high up that hull or turret down positions from reverse slope are easier for it than with T-72.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Sep 08, 2016 3:46 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Yeah: ride on a M60. Guaranteed BBQ.

    No seriously...it's impossible to get a well protected position in this war because the numbers are too small and the terrain too hostile.

    Northern Syria= Bald plains or medium sized hamlets with great kill funnel (we all have seen those nasty ATGM shots all war long).
    Southern Syria...Desert.
    Eastern Syria Desert and small hamlets...
    Western Syria Huge ass ridge impossible to attack with mechanized forces without getting pieced.

    The tactical advantage that ISIS and the beardies have on such troops is that they don't need to disguise their vehicles or have a huge footprint, they can wait until the Mech force needs to halt to assess the progress. Kurds hit the Turks exactly like that. ISIS ddin't do it differently. The Turks and Syrians do...because those are force multipliers. Also hull down means nothing in this case, the ATGM hit the turret on the first tank which started cook off. Second tank was hit on the trapshot ERA which eased off the penetration. Still 4 wounded (driver is critical according to twitter, tank's turret ring is fucked, 't was a miracle it didn't brew and I don't belive on "slight injury" from Turkish press).

    In this case unless they were sporting T90's/Leo2 they were goners anyway.
    Hull down reduces target visibility by 50% and makes it a bit harder for the enemy, so is worthwhile. They were in the open on the forward slope of a ridge when they should have been in hull, or even turret down positions on the reverse slope, no excuse not to do this. If and when they need to advance over the ridge, were is their reccon, they know the nature of what they face so no need to send tanks in completely open. If they see terrain or buildings that are likely to hide enemy, then use speculative fire to see if it stirs them up, and then if necessary call down artillery strike, and in situation that looks bad from the beginning, hit it with artillery first anyway, or at least use their tanks as artillery. They broke the most basic rule of tank warfare, exposing themselves in full view on a ridge tracks up while remaining stationary, they may as well have been static targets on a range, total incompetance by them. And while hight of M-60 makes it a big target, the trunnions are sufficiently high and the commander is so high up that hull or turret down positions from reverse slope are easier for it than with T-72.

    Again not trying to defend Turks here. Just saying that the could have been hull down all day long and still get wrecked.

    About Reccon. There's a battalion tops trying to manage a 25 km front with beardies...it's not the US army, it's a NATO army that hasn't still moved from early 90's and the Cold war. If I were the ATGM crew I'd have shot the Cobra and FNSS/M15 on the back (more dead Turks) than those two tanks that are blind as hell if not supported.

    Don't forget these guys have probably never fought anything else than lightly armed Kurds in shut down towns and villages. Here they have to move with a bunch of ISIS copycats and try and use them as cannon fodder. While ISIS is facing 3/4 types of forces all around the fucking globe. If anything, Turkey better keep fighting Kurds near the border than push into ISIS heartland with cardboard armor. Konkurs doesn't take prisonners.
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    Post  Khepesh Thu Sep 08, 2016 4:58 pm

    Yeah, I know your'e not defending them. I was more concerned with pointing out what they do wrong, and if it is representative of state of Turkish Army, then the re-conquest of Thrace and Konstantinopolos, eventually, could be easier than thought Twisted Evil

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