The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

There is some skepticism about these mercenaries existing at this particular attack, but not about the attack, which was larger scale than Basurin said......

Zakharchenko released info that ukrops helicopter of so far unspecified type, but presumably Mi-24, was hit by VSN while it attacking VSN positions at unspecified location, presumably the Kominternovo area. Helicopter managed to land on ukrops controlled territory. Kiev denies all knowledge of this. http://www.rbc.ru/politics/13/10/2016/57ff89559a794784ce3b5020

Thanks for the informative reply! I am eagerly awaiting the next major offensive to see how opposing forces perform

How did the T80s perform? ukraine is ideal tank conditions unlike Grozny

Waiting for Khepesh, seems another attack in the south

https://dninews.com/article/ukraine-attacks-dpr-positions-south-part-front

‘The Ukrainian units in conflict with their obligations on ceasing fire started attacking our positions today since 01:50 p.m.After artillery preparation carrying out using weapons of 152mm caliber, the enemy units switched to the attack by forces up to a troop in the area of the locality of Leninskoye with the support of mortar fire. There is a fight now,’ pointed out the DPR Operative Command representative. "

Unlike the attack on Kominternovo that was initially downplayed as a platoon sized attack, reports talks now of a full company size, with heavy artillery preparation and mortar support. Suspect this is actually another bigger battallion scale attack.

Pushilin has said that the situation at the front has deteriorated sharply today and that ukrops engage in "massive shelling" in the South. An exageration as several batteries of D-20 and 30 are not "massive", but the language he uses points to full resumption of the situation as it was before this "ceasefire". Yesterday Zakharchenko had described the situation as "escalating" and he specifically refered to the fighting being more than the South and also at Debaltsevo, Yasinovataya, Spartak and Peski. In the last hour ukrops began attacking at Yasinovataya again, and locals report incoming at Oktyabrsky in the last 30 minutes. Also, the ukrops helicopter was forced down at Krasnogorovka.

Serbian volonteur Vladimir Stanimirović died in Novorossia while on the frontline, his death was caused by Ukrainian artillery strike. He was one of the first volonteurs to join DNR armed forces, and he has been there since. He married there and got a child.




Source: http://ruserbia.com/society/4724-na-donbasse-pogib-serbskij-dobrovolets
Source: http://mondo.rs/a947739/Info/Srbija/Donbas-Poginuo-srpski-dobrovoljac.html

Militarov wrote:Serbian volonteur Vladimir Stanimirović died in Novorossia while on the frontline, his death was caused by Ukrainian artillery strike. He was one of the first volonteurs to join DNR armed forces, and he has been there since. He married there and got a child.




Source: http://ruserbia.com/society/4724-na-donbasse-pogib-serbskij-dobrovolets
Source: http://mondo.rs/a947739/Info/Srbija/Donbas-Poginuo-srpski-dobrovoljac.html

R.I.P.

Militarov wrote:Serbian volonteur Vladimir Stanimirović died in Novorossia while on the frontline, his death was caused by Ukrainian artillery strike. He was one of the first volonteurs to join DNR armed forces, and he has been there since. He married there and got a child.




Source: http://ruserbia.com/society/4724-na-donbasse-pogib-serbskij-dobrovolets
Source: http://mondo.rs/a947739/Info/Srbija/Donbas-Poginuo-srpski-dobrovoljac.html

RIP

condolences to his family and friends

ukrops have reported, including on TSN channel, that the village of Vodyanoe, several km behind their lines and to the north of Shirokino, has been assaulted by VSN in strength, including use of Grad, and that important high ground at the village has been taken. This is not credible, but that ukrops make such a report is suspicious, perhaps attempting to distract from what they themselves are doing in that area, or to make an excuse to do more, claiming falsely they are heavily attacked. I guess it will be clearer in the morning. There are unverified reports from Mariupol that very heavy firing is heard to the east of the city, but such reports are usually people hearing ukrops artillery firing from eastern suburbs towards VSN positions and onto Sakhanka.

Militarov wrote:Serbian volonteur Vladimir Stanimirović died in Novorossia while on the frontline, his death was caused by Ukrainian artillery strike. He was one of the first volonteurs to join DNR armed forces, and he has been there since. He married there and got a child.

Source: http://ruserbia.com/society/4724-na-donbasse-pogib-serbskij-dobrovolets
Source: http://mondo.rs/a947739/Info/Srbija/Donbas-Poginuo-srpski-dobrovoljac.html

RIP, he made the ultimate sacrifice.

Khepesh or any Russian speaker, can you please translate the gist of the latest report? I have a very hard time following it

http://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/1605687.html

From what I understand

1- VSN losses in Kominternovo and Leninskoye higher than reported, no surprise there. Attacks well prepared and planned, not the usual Ukrop botch job

2- Krasnoarmeisk, ukrops driving Grad rocket launchers to Donetsk sector, in single vehicles. Awaiting orders for barrage. Also buildup of artillery

3- Self propelled artillery from VSN engaged in counterbattery

4- Unclear abot wether the settlement of Vodianoye has changed hands, and who is occupying it now. Seems the Ukros lost ground.

Firstly, everything is now denied by ukrops, and various of their facebook pages and other site pages about this have been removed, including FB of Kiev military intelligence.

Bulk of Chervonec article is screenshot from ukrops site and is quoting the now vanished military intelligence FB. As it is all nonsense it is now irrelevant.

However, it says that on October 12 the village was fired on by VSN using 152mm artillery, with 30 rounds landing and that they had military casualties. About yesterday it says that VSN fired on the village using 120mm mortars and 122mm artillery and that an assault occured by VSN 9th Infantry Regiment, part of the grouping that Motorola now commands, using mortars, BTR and snipers. The mention of Grad etc is not in this article and was an invention of Kiev media who embellished the official, and now vanished initial report. The map in the article is simply pointing out location of the village, and that it has a route marked from Mariupol to Vodyanoe is of no consequence.

That is correct about what Kharkova has written, but there is no other source saying ground has changed hands as she indicates. There is misinformation occuring and odd things, such as ukrops saying at one point they were under artillery fire from VSN firing from Shirokino, which as we all know was evacuated in a farce and is controlled by ukrops.

Also, it seemed to pass without notice that a few days back Basurin said about ukrops deploying four BUK at Volnovakha. If true, then they expect VKS in the future as there is no other reason for BUK on frontline in Donbass as of course LDNR have no airforce.

Edit: Strelkov is saying that VSN did take ground. He says that while Vodyanoe is still occupied by ukrops, the important high ground outside the village is now occupied by VSN and that the intensity of yesterdays artillery duels was  failed attempt by ukrops to retake the hights. There is no confirmation of this from Donetsk, and as I wrote, Kiev is denying it's own original reports that an attack took place.

Edit: Rozhin has written more clearly about this. During ukrops reccon attacks towards Kominternovo, they were repulsed and VSN forces moved forward, possibly to the outskirts of Vodyanoe. This caused panic with ukrops and is reason for alarming reports from their military intelligence and then picked up by their media. When events became clearer, ukrops panic subsided and they went into denial mode and now say everything is fine.

No matter the precise details, the level of ukrops panic over something really very small is interesting and shows they have no backbone, typical of insecure and inadequate bullies.

So Poroshenko when cornered has finally dropped the mask and cancelled Minsk process? When? Good news if true

https://dninews.com/article/zakcharchenko-poroshenko%E2%80%99s-statement-means-cancellation-minsk-new-spiral-conflict

After what Zakharchenko said about Minsk being more or less finished, from Kiev side the head of ukrops occupied areas of Donetsk, Pavel Zhebrivskiy, has said that the Normandy and Minsk formats are exhausted, and were in fact intermediate stages [which was always known to be the reality]. Zhebrivskiy is demanding that the 1994 Budapest agreement, where USA, UK and Russia guaranteed sovereignty in exchange for giving up nuclear weapons, be fullfilled. In this case by USA and UK. Zhebrivskiy is often used to send message in a less diplomatic way than Kiev as he is not part of government, a sort of Zhirinovsky role. Essentially he is calling for WWIII to "defend" Ukraine. http://www.novorosinform.org/news/62049

Possibly Motorola has fallen. It is not, as previous cases, from ukrops sources. Truth should be known shortly.

Edit: Sources from Donetsk say bomb in his car and confirm death, but nothing official yet.
Rossiya 24 have reported his death, but yet nothing official from Donetsk.
Second version that there was a bomb in an elevator.
Resident in Motorola's apartment block has said that elevator exploded on sixth floor with Motorola and two others inside. Elevator jammed between floors and some panic trying to get to the victims, who it seems did not all die, or at least survived for a little while.
None of this specific detail is official, so may change.....

Bomb in the elevator. He's dead.

Rest in peace hero...

PapaDragon wrote:

auslander wrote:Bomb in the elevator. He's dead.

Infighting or ukrops?

Ukrops... No faction in the DPR/LPR would risk that. I think it's time for the war to heat up.

PapaDragon wrote:

auslander wrote:Bomb in the elevator. He's dead.

Infighting or ukrops?

First word is Ukropov but nothing definite. No rumors ever about him being involved in anything not on the up and up. We'll know for absolute certain shortly, VCO is trying to reach our boy.

the bastards couldn't kill him in battle so took the cowardly route to kill him R.I.P Motorola

The ukrainians are celebrating this as you might expect, celebrating what is an act of terrorism but that doesnt surprise me given the lows these people have dropped to ths past couple of years.

hope they hang whoever did this.

Whats certain is that this are hotting up and this is a huge provocation that surely cannot be left unanswered.

Rest in Peace, Hero of Donbass