Syrian Civil War: News #7

TheArmenian wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:3 Turkish T-155 Firtina Self-propelled guns destroyed by Metis ATGMs fired by ISIS.

https://imgur.com/8TLBaN7

Aftermath...

Do you have any more information on this?

It is claimed that ISIS has destroyed the SPGs. Is it really so? Not the Kurds?

In case it is really ISIS? Why would they attack their ally Turkey?

I appreciate any available clarifications.
Thanks in advance.

It is ISIS. This comes from their Propaganda outlet. Three Firtina's T155 were written off with two at least having catastrophic explosions of their ammo.

Meanwhile the Turkish MoD claims only one Firtina was "lightly" damaged and that it returned fire killing a dozen Jihadis. Same deal as with the M60T...

My take on this and as many have opined, this has two possible explanations.

1. Part of the unholy deals the Kurds and ISIS have done, now that Turkey has scratched ISIS from their direct recipients list. Kurds sell weapons to ISIS groups that they know will attack the Turks (as they're really exposed).  Which benefits the Kurds which can play both Russians (ammo, supplies, Air Support) and Americans (ammo, supplies, Short Leash on Turkey).

2. Deliberate ISIS strategy to get Turkey to enter Syria and get a Russian response, precipitating NATO to reply. A Domino effect that benefits no one actually. The US has clearly drawn a red line to Turkey as far as that sector is concerned,  because Russia is drooling over the perspective to remove some Anadolu Qebap.

Basically, that's why you don't foster terrorist movements, because they always come back to bite your ass. Oh and don't shoot Russian jets cowardly... Turkish Hindsight 0/20.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:3 Turkish T-155 Firtina Self-propelled guns destroyed by Metis ATGMs fired by ISIS.

https://imgur.com/8TLBaN7

Aftermath...

Do you have any more information on this?

It is claimed that ISIS has destroyed the SPGs. Is it really so? Not the Kurds?

In case it is really ISIS? Why would they attack their ally Turkey?

I appreciate any available clarifications.
Thanks in advance.

It is ISIS. This comes from their Propaganda outlet. Three Firtina's T155 were written off with two at least having catastrophic explosions of their ammo.

Meanwhile the Turkish MoD claims only one Firtina was "lightly" damaged and that it returned fire killing a dozen Jihadis. Same deal as with the M60T...

My take on this and as many have opined, this has two possible explanations.

1. Part of the unholy deals the Kurds and ISIS have done, now that Turkey has scratched ISIS from their direct recipients list. Kurds sell weapons to ISIS groups that they know will attack the Turks (as they're really exposed).  Which benefits the Kurds which can play both Russians (ammo, supplies, Air Support) and Americans (ammo, supplies, Short Leash on Turkey).

2. Deliberate ISIS strategy to get Turkey to enter Syria and get a Russian response, precipitating NATO to reply. A Domino effect that benefits no one actually. The US has clearly drawn a red line to Turkey as far as that sector is concerned,  because Russia is drooling over the perspective to remove some Anadolu Qebap.

Basically, that's why you don't foster terrorist movements, because they always come back to bite your ass. Oh and don't shoot Russian jets cowardly... Turkish Hindsight 0/20.

I dont see that wreckage returning fire. Also "slightly damaged" SPG by an ATGM? Turret made from Unobtanium 1m thick? Seriously Turks...seriously...

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:3 Turkish T-155 Firtina Self-propelled guns destroyed by Metis ATGMs fired by ISIS.

https://imgur.com/8TLBaN7

Aftermath...

Do you have any more information on this?

It is claimed that ISIS has destroyed the SPGs. Is it really so? Not the Kurds?

In case it is really ISIS? Why would they attack their ally Turkey?

I appreciate any available clarifications.
Thanks in advance.

It is ISIS. This comes from their Propaganda outlet. Three Firtina's T155 were written off with two at least having catastrophic explosions of their ammo.

Meanwhile the Turkish MoD claims only one Firtina was "lightly" damaged and that it returned fire killing a dozen Jihadis. Same deal as with the M60T...

My take on this and as many have opined, this has two possible explanations.

1. Part of the unholy deals the Kurds and ISIS have done, now that Turkey has scratched ISIS from their direct recipients list. Kurds sell weapons to ISIS groups that they know will attack the Turks (as they're really exposed).  Which benefits the Kurds which can play both Russians (ammo, supplies, Air Support) and Americans (ammo, supplies, Short Leash on Turkey).

2. Deliberate ISIS strategy to get Turkey to enter Syria and get a Russian response, precipitating NATO to reply. A Domino effect that benefits no one actually. The US has clearly drawn a red line to Turkey as far as that sector is concerned,  because Russia is drooling over the perspective to remove some Anadolu Qebap.

Basically, that's why you don't foster terrorist movements, because they always come back to bite your ass. Oh and don't shoot Russian jets cowardly... Turkish Hindsight 0/20.

I dont see that wreckage returning fire. Also "slightly damaged" SPG by an ATGM? Turret made from Unobtanium 1m thick? Seriously Turks...seriously...

At least one of them Jack in the Boxed.

Basically, that's why you don't foster terrorist movements, because they always come back to bite your ass. Oh and don't shoot Russian jets cowardly... Turkish Hindsight 0/20.

Basically your have been duped.
There is never a "blow back" Terrorist never attack the hands that feeds them.
It never happened. What you call a "come back to byte your ass" is nothing more
than a staged event. a false flag.

all that "ISIS" vs TUrkey is just a Show , that Erdogan later can use ,
to distance itself from ISIS. and claim "see.. ISIS are not our allies ,they fighting us"
Probably the Turkey private army inside Syria fired on itself. and the damage was all calculated. A false flag with controlled damage. So many fools here ,believing that just because ISIS claim anything on is social media is true. all that myth of the "blow back" comes from the Bin Laden
retaliation of WTC 9/11 which never happened. it was an inside job.

Without Turkey ,from where is ISIS going to get its supplies ? From space? There is NO CHANCE , zero ,that ISIS will fight Turkey. They have many dozens of thousands of mercenaries and all of them needs to eat ,all of them needs satellite communications ,military supplies. Without Turkey help ,ISIS collapse in just weeks. and will be the end of Alqaeda too. Don't be naive the propaganda of ISIS. Erdogan is aiding all terror groups not only in Syria but also in IRAQ, and without Turkey the american proxy war on Syria  collapse,
their multibillionaire oil business also stop ,and the fights in IRAQ against ISIS also collapse in the north.  It will be game over. Dont be so foolish to think for a second ISIS will ever hang itself ,
by fighting Turkey. it will be the same idiocy as claiming that the Syrian army ,starting to fight Russia. oh yes.. look at this twitter of ISIS. it have to be true because it said so.

Not even a million of videos ,will be a proof of ISIS fighting Turkey. it cannot happen ,because
their lives depends on Turkey supplies. Just yesterday Russia told Turkey also is using its hospitals to help wounded ISIS fighters. Such propaganda of ISIS and Turkey fighting only help
Erdogan ,as "proof" he is not aiding them.

i really think the naiveness of people with American promoted conflicts is because they do not understand the level of deception ,how far US gov can go ,to achieve their objectives ,and justify their wars and defend their allies.. They are perfectly capable of killing their own soldiers and shutdown their own planes  or even attack their own cities as WTC 2001 ,if that can allow them to justify their invasions to other nations and their policies.  Look no further that the USS Liberty incident. Israeli unmasked planes were given the order to sink an American warship ,
and kill hundreds of Americans marines ,with the full support of the American government. The incident was a false flag ,and it was going to be blamed on Egypt. and later used to justify Israel take over of many lands of Egypt. It didn't worked the plan ,because of a strong rebellion in the american Navy to come to the aid of their people and the reports of many by radio that it was israeli planes attacking them.  Don't be so naive. In American wars anything is valid and deception ,false flags ,civilians planes shutdown ,weapons of mass destruction ,is part of the game ,if it can help them justify their policies and actions.  RT just recently released a report of Turkey alliance with ISIS , so this incident serve as a counter to the strong evidence of Turkey support to ISIS. wake up. Turkey and ISIS are allies. there is no "blow back". Without Turkey support it will be suicide for ISIS to continue fighting in Syria or IRAQ. they will have no place to retreat. and Americans will be unable to continue its proxy war against Syria.

Vann7 wrote:

Basically, that's why you don't foster terrorist movements, because they always come back to bite your ass. Oh and don't shoot Russian jets cowardly... Turkish Hindsight 0/20.

Basically your have been duped.
There is never a "blow back" Terrorist never attack the hands that feeds them.
It never happened. What you call a "come back to byte your ass" is nothing more
than a staged event. a false flag.

all that "ISIS" vs TUrkey is just a Show , that Erdogan later can use ,
to distance itself from ISIS. and claim "see.. ISIS are not our allies ,they fighting us"
Probably the Turkey private army inside Syria fired on itself. and the damage was all calculated. A false flag with controlled damage. So many fools here ,believing that just because ISIS claim anything on is social media is true.  all that myth of the "blow back" comes from the Bin Laden
retaliation of WTC 9/11 which never happened. it was an inside job.

Without Turkey ,from where is ISIS going to get its supplies ? From space? There is NO CHANCE , zero ,that ISIS will fight Turkey. They have many dozens of thousands of mercenaries and all of them needs to eat ,all of them needs satellite communications ,military supplies. Without Turkey help ,ISIS collapse in just weeks. and will be the end of Alqaeda too. Don't be naive the propaganda of ISIS. Erdogan is aiding all terror groups not only in Syria but also in IRAQ, and without Turkey the american proxy war on Syria  collapse,
their multibillionaire oil business also stop ,and the fights in IRAQ against ISIS also collapse in the north.  It will be game over. Dont be so foolish to think for a second ISIS will ever hang itself ,
by fighting Turkey. it will be the same idiocy as claiming that the Syrian army ,starting to fight Russia. oh yes.. look at this twitter of ISIS. it have to be true because it said so.

Not even a million of videos ,will be a proof of ISIS fighting Turkey. it cannot happen ,because
their lives depends on Turkey supplies. Just yesterday Russia told Turkey also is using its hospitals to help wounded ISIS fighters. Such propaganda of ISIS and Turkey fighting only help
Erdogan ,as "proof" he is not aiding them.

i really think the naiveness of people with American promoted conflicts is because they do not understand the level of deception ,how far US gov can go ,to achieve their objectives ,and justify their wars and defend their allies.. They are perfectly capable of killing their own soldiers and shutdown their own planes  or even attack their own cities as WTC 2001 ,if that can allow them to justify their invasions to other nations and their policies.  Look no further that the USS Liberty incident. Israeli unmasked planes were given the order to sink an American warship ,
and kill hundreds of Americans marines ,with the full support of the American government. The incident was a false flag ,and it was going to be blamed on Egypt. and later used to justify Israel take over of many lands of Egypt. It didn't worked the plan ,because of a strong rebellion in the american Navy to come to the aid of their people and the reports of many by radio that it was israeli planes attacking them.  Don't be so naive. In American wars anything is valid and deception ,false flags ,civilians planes shutdown ,weapons of mass destruction ,is part of the game ,if it can help them justify their policies and actions.  RT just recently released a report of Turkey alliance with ISIS , so this incident serve as a counter to the strong evidence of Turkey support to ISIS. wake up. Turkey and ISIS are allies. there is no "blow back". Without Turkey support it will be suicide for ISIS to continue fighting in Syria or IRAQ. they will have no place to retreat. and Americans will be unable to continue its proxy war against Syria.

Yes, sure sure. Crawl back to the hole you came from. Historically supporting infra groups will always come back to haunt you. A false flag, yeah sure, why not, only for the problem that Turkey invented some BS Baghdad bob claim about everything OK, no damage we killed tens of them. Instead of going full retard on how they're attacked by Evul ISIS and how they're going to retaliate like they ironically did on the Kurds every time some convenient suicide bombing happened.

Silly me, going to put you on ignore, that's a first not even Ultron isn't on my ignore list. You're the only one from now on. Oh and take your pills.

So, over the last few weeks, there's been talk of roughly 10,000 Al Nusra fighters gathering in Aleppo. Over the last few days, there's been talk of a SAA and Russian buildup in the city. Plenty of bitching from the usual parties as well, especially after the Al Nusra White Helmet's 'hospital" got hit. Today, the Russian consulate in Aleppo was shelled.

It looks like something big is going to happen soon.

Vann7 wrote:

Basically, that's why you don't foster terrorist movements, because they always come back to bite your ass. Oh and don't shoot Russian jets cowardly... Turkish Hindsight 0/20.

Basically your have been duped.
There is never a "blow back" Terrorist never attack the hands that feeds them.
It never happened. What you call a "come back to byte your ass" is nothing more
than a staged event. a false flag.

all that "ISIS" vs TUrkey is just a Show , that Erdogan later can use ,
to distance itself from ISIS. and claim "see.. ISIS are not our allies ,they fighting us"
Probably the Turkey private army inside Syria fired on itself. and the damage was all calculated. A false flag with controlled damage. So many fools here ,believing that just because ISIS claim anything on is social media is true. all that myth of the "blow back" comes from the Bin Laden
retaliation of WTC 9/11 which never happened. it was an inside job.

Without Turkey ,from where is ISIS going to get its supplies ? From space? There is NO CHANCE , zero ,that ISIS will fight Turkey. They have many dozens of thousands of mercenaries and all of them needs to eat ,all of them needs satellite communications ,military supplies. Without Turkey help ,ISIS collapse in just weeks. and will be the end of Alqaeda too. Don't be naive the propaganda of ISIS. Erdogan is aiding all terror groups not only in Syria but also in IRAQ, and without Turkey the american proxy war on Syria  collapse,
their multibillionaire oil business also stop ,and the fights in IRAQ against ISIS also collapse in the north.  It will be game over. Dont be so foolish to think for a second ISIS will ever hang itself ,
by fighting Turkey. it will be the same idiocy as claiming that the Syrian army ,starting to fight Russia. oh yes.. look at this twitter of ISIS. it have to be true because it said so.

Not even a million of videos ,will be a proof of ISIS fighting Turkey. it cannot happen ,because
their lives depends on Turkey supplies. Just yesterday Russia told Turkey also is using its hospitals to help wounded ISIS fighters. Such propaganda of ISIS and Turkey fighting only help
Erdogan ,as "proof" he is not aiding them.

i really think the naiveness of people with American promoted conflicts is because they do not understand the level of deception ,how far US gov can go ,to achieve their objectives ,and justify their wars and defend their allies.. They are perfectly capable of killing their own soldiers and shutdown their own planes  or even attack their own cities as WTC 2001 ,if that can allow them to justify their invasions to other nations and their policies.  Look no further that the USS Liberty incident. Israeli unmasked planes were given the order to sink an American warship ,
and kill hundreds of Americans marines ,with the full support of the American government. The incident was a false flag ,and it was going to be blamed on Egypt. and later used to justify Israel take over of many lands of Egypt. It didn't worked the plan ,because of a strong rebellion in the american Navy to come to the aid of their people and the reports of many by radio that it was israeli planes attacking them.  Don't be so naive. In American wars anything is valid and deception ,false flags ,civilians planes shutdown ,weapons of mass destruction ,is part of the game ,if it can help them justify their policies and actions.  RT just recently released a report of Turkey alliance with ISIS , so this incident serve as a counter to the strong evidence of Turkey support to ISIS. wake up. Turkey and ISIS are allies. there is no "blow back". Without Turkey support it will be suicide for ISIS to continue fighting in Syria or IRAQ. they will have no place to retreat. and Americans will be unable to continue its proxy war against Syria.

I must agree with this post.

Zivo wrote:So, over the last few weeks, there's been talk of roughly 10,000 Al Nusra fighters gathering in Aleppo. Over the last few days, there's been talk of a SAA and Russian buildup in the city. Plenty of bitching from the usual parties as well, especially after the Al Nusra White Helmet's 'hospital" got hit. Today, the Russian consulate in Aleppo was shelled.

It looks like something big is going to happen soon.

I dont understand the recent "Regime of silence" that is nothing more than a cease of fire of RUssia with nothing less than Alqaeda fighters .That are in Latakia and parts of Aleppo. But hopefully you are correct , and something big will happen , and Russia is merely retreating a bit , to gain a better positioning in the battle field ,knowing perhaps that a major Turkey or Americans attack will happen , to later come in full force and retaliate.

This strategy of allowing the enemy to show it cards ,and let them use them , and appear to be
leaving and then when every move of the enemy know , the retaliate in full force.

I predict mass scale Chemical weapons attack to be used in full scale in Syria ,where Turkey will use them against Syrian army and possibly Russian forces ,and that Pro NATO media will be blaming in "ISIS new capabilities".

Hopefully Russia will be prepared for any kind of dirty ,illegal and criminal war.

I must agree with this post.

There are major games of deception being played in Syria and 99% of people in this forum
fall for it. Specially the propaganda of Kurds with Americans help liberating ISIS zones.
A french journalist Thierry Meyssan who have been most of the time correct and moved to Syria ,and is reporting the facts of Syria conflict since 2011. Have said the liberations of Americans in some places are a fraud ,and what really happens is not a fighting but a transfer of lands with a shake of hands. and a change of name or flag.  The Americans games , goes this way. the CIA  with Saudi help ask its puppets  ISIS to retreat to any zone they want and allow kurds to take their territories without much fight. A few dozens terrorist are left behind to fight to the end ,to not make too obvious the fraud , and the majority of ISIS fighters relocate to a new zone. and the transfer is done between Pro American ISIS fighters ,to Pro American Kurdish fighters with a shake of hands.

So Americans can use the propaganda that they are "fighting ISIS" , because they "lose territory" but reality was it was a transfer of territory and not a real battle how Kurds defeat ISIS. This is true in many of the conflicts between Kurds and ISIS. Perhaps without Kurds knowing how they are fooled. The goal is to justify American presence in Syria because
they are "fighting ISIS" and at the same time ,keep under American control the north of Syria.
So Russia cannot bomb it. in other words Americans are using its own soldiers as shields to stop
Russia and Syrian army from bombing any strategic place and from really Liberating it. Any territory Kurds takes from ISIS with the help of Americans is a territory that IRAQ or Syria will never take control again. Because Americans will block the real liberation of the territory.

The goal of Americans is NOT to defeat ISIS or any other Terrorist group . Their goal is to keep them strong  and move them to any region of Syria or IRAQ they are needed. And Use ISIS
as a trojan horse to justify Kurds or any other so called "moderates" that they control ,take over large parts of territory ,specially the oil rich ones. This way Americans will always have a faction that they can use to blackmail any side they need to blackmail and control . Alqaeda can be used against ISIS and ISIS against Alqaeda too.  Americans use Kurds to blackmail Turkey ,and ISIS And ALqaeda to blackmail Syria and IRAQ or even kurds. Any kurds that make alliance with Russia or Syria , can be hit with  ISIS or Alqaeda. So americans can keep the war forever going
by controlling Turkey ,by controlling Kurds and any terrorist factions fighting there. So many people fooled ,and they even get angry to be told the truth how they are duped.

Neither Americans ,neither Turkey is fighting ISIS or Alqaeda. never that will happen.
Turkey only fight Kurds ,the ones in Syria. And Americans only fight the Syrian Government and Russia by proxy.

https://twitter.com/Tom_Antonov/status/726110447980666883

Other angle of JiB T155. It returned fire...with shrapnels from its own hull.

OTR-21 remains somewhere in Idlib

Vann7 wrote:

Zivo wrote:So, over the last few weeks, there's been talk of roughly 10,000 Al Nusra fighters gathering in Aleppo. Over the last few days, there's been talk of a SAA and Russian buildup in the city. Plenty of bitching from the usual parties as well, especially after the Al Nusra White Helmet's 'hospital" got hit. Today, the Russian consulate in Aleppo was shelled.

It looks like something big is going to happen soon.

I dont understand the recent "Regime of silence" that is nothing more than a cease of fire of RUssia with nothing less than Alqaeda fighters .That are in Latakia and parts of Aleppo. But hopefully you are correct , and something big will happen , and Russia is merely retreating a bit , to gain a better positioning in the battle field ,knowing perhaps that a major Turkey or Americans attack will happen , to later come in full force and retaliate.

This strategy of allowing the enemy to show it cards ,and let them use them , and appear to be
leaving and then when every move of the enemy know , the retaliate in full force.

I predict mass scale Chemical weapons attack to be used in full scale in Syria ,where Turkey will use them against Syrian army and possibly Russian forces ,and that Pro NATO media will be blaming in "ISIS new capabilities".

Hopefully Russia will be prepared for any kind of dirty ,illegal and criminal war.

I must agree with this post.

There are major games of deception being played in Syria and 99% of people in this forum
fall for it. Specially the propaganda of Kurds with Americans help liberating ISIS zones.
A french journalist Thierry Meyssan who have been most of the time correct and moved to Syria ,and is reporting the facts of Syria conflict since 2011. Have said the liberations of Americans in some places are a fraud ,and what really happens is not a fighting but a transfer of lands with a shake of hands. and a change of name or flag.  The Americans games , goes this way. the CIA  with Saudi help ask its puppets  ISIS to retreat to any zone they want and allow kurds to take their territories without much fight. A few dozens terrorist are left behind to fight to the end ,to not make too obvious the fraud , and the majority of ISIS fighters relocate to a new zone. and the transfer is done between Pro American ISIS fighters ,to Pro American Kurdish fighters with a shake of hands.

So Americans can use the propaganda that they are "fighting ISIS" , because they "lose territory" but reality was it was a transfer of territory and not a real battle how Kurds defeat ISIS. This is true in many of the conflicts between Kurds and ISIS. Perhaps without Kurds knowing how they are fooled. The goal is to justify American presence in Syria because
they are "fighting ISIS" and at the same time ,keep under American control the north of Syria.
So Russia cannot bomb it. in other words Americans are using its own soldiers as shields to stop
Russia and Syrian army from bombing any strategic place and from really Liberating it. Any territory Kurds takes from ISIS with the help of Americans is a territory that IRAQ or Syria will never take control again. Because Americans will block the real liberation of the territory.

The goal of Americans is NOT to defeat ISIS or any other Terrorist group . Their goal is to keep them strong  and move them to any region of Syria or IRAQ they are needed. And Use ISIS
as a trojan horse to justify Kurds or any other so called "moderates" that they control ,take over large parts of territory ,specially the oil rich ones. This way Americans will always have a faction that they can use to blackmail any side they need to blackmail and control . Alqaeda can be used against ISIS and ISIS against Alqaeda too.  Americans use Kurds to blackmail Turkey ,and ISIS And ALqaeda to blackmail Syria and IRAQ or even kurds. Any kurds that make alliance with Russia or Syria , can be hit with  ISIS or Alqaeda. So americans can keep the war forever going
by controlling Turkey ,by controlling Kurds and any terrorist factions fighting there. So many people fooled ,and they even get angry to be told the truth how they are duped.

Neither Americans ,neither Turkey is fighting ISIS or Alqaeda. never that will happen.
Turkey only fight Kurds ,the ones in Syria. And Americans only fight the Syrian Government and Russia by proxy.

Again, well said and I fully agree. I shake my head in disbelief when I see people falling for "terrorist come back to bite you" and similar BS. Especially people who apparently follow this conflict and are familiar with warfare. I guess the controlled information flow is too hard to decypher. Israel/US/NATO and their puppet-allies made and have total control over these proxy armies. It is as simple as that. The possibility of any terrorist group i.e. proxy army turning against its creators and masters is as high as US army turning on US...

Terrorists are always controlled by GOVERNMENTS just ask yourself why the biggest Islamists who despise everything non muslim never attack Mecca (heart of islam) or the only non muslim regime in the region and only and exclusivley those independend nations which are not USrael vassals.

They never existed those terrorist groups with own agenda, no person will abondoned everything in his future just to follow some crackhead group of nutheads that are trying to fight entire countries without being paid big money from governments and only and exclusivley regimes have that kind of money.

Werewolf wrote:Terrorists are always controlled by GOVERNMENTS just ask yourself why the biggest Islamists who despise everything non muslim never attack Mecca (heart of islam) or the only non muslim regime in the region and only and exclusivley those independend nations which are not USrael vassals.

They never existed those terrorist groups with own agenda, no person will abondoned everything in his future just to follow some crackhead group of nutheads that are trying to fight entire countries without being paid big money from governments and only and exclusivley regimes have that kind of money.

Indeed. People actually believe those nuthead militants are able to take on and overwhelm countries with professional army and an airforce, intelligence apparatus, access to satellite imagery, etc. It's mind-boggling really. Then some Kurdish women apparently beat them with a couple of AKs, RPGs and some scrapheap homemade armored vehicles and it is all over mainstream media.

Visc wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Terrorists are always controlled by GOVERNMENTS just ask yourself why the biggest Islamists who despise everything non muslim never attack Mecca (heart of islam) or the only non muslim regime in the region and only and exclusivley those independend nations which are not USrael vassals.

They never existed those terrorist groups with own agenda, no person will abondoned everything in his future just to follow some crackhead group of nutheads that are trying to fight entire countries without being paid big money from governments and only and exclusivley regimes have that kind of money.

Indeed. People actually believe those nuthead militants are able to take on and overwhelm countries with professional army and an airforce, intelligence apparatus, access to satellite imagery, etc. It's mind-boggling really.

As soon as governments (regimes) (empires) are complaining about terrorists and are anouncing to be the solution to the problem you know it is infact their proxy. Mafia method 101 create a problem with thugs and then go and claim you are the solution to that problem.
Terrorists do not exist in such a way. Just give any example of any terrorist and then you will see they have undoubtly always ties to a regime mostly USrael or any of their vassals.

Werewolf wrote:

Visc wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Terrorists are always controlled by GOVERNMENTS just ask yourself why the biggest Islamists who despise everything non muslim never attack Mecca (heart of islam) or the only non muslim regime in the region and only and exclusivley those independend nations which are not USrael vassals.

They never existed those terrorist groups with own agenda, no person will abondoned everything in his future just to follow some crackhead group of nutheads that are trying to fight entire countries without being paid big money from governments and only and exclusivley regimes have that kind of money.

Indeed. People actually believe those nuthead militants are able to take on and overwhelm countries with professional army and an airforce, intelligence apparatus, access to satellite imagery, etc. It's mind-boggling really.

As soon as governments (regimes) (empires) are complaining about terrorists and are anouncing to be the solution to the problem you know it is infact their proxy. Mafia method 101 create a problem with thugs and then go and claim you are the solution to that problem.
Terrorists do not exist in such a way. Just give any example of any terrorist and then you will see they have undoubtly always ties to a regime mostly USrael or any of their vassals.

Absolutely.

Werewolf wrote:
As soon as governments (regimes) (empires) are complaining about terrorists and are anouncing to be the solution to the problem you know it is infact their proxy. Mafia method 101 create a problem with thugs and then go and claim you are the solution to that problem.
Terrorists do not exist in such a way. Just give any example of any terrorist and then you will see they have undoubtly always ties to a regime mostly USrael or any of their vassals.

Probably the largest single crimminal organisation in America is the FBI. I do not mean in the sense that they are like the mafia, or that FBI agents are crimminals in the normal sense, but they are in the business of creating crime by entrapment and persuading weak willed low IQ people into comitting crimes they otherwise may not commit. At least one major terrorist group operating in Europe was, to an extent, controlled by the government it was suposed to be fighting and some senior terrorist commanders were undercover army officers from the state they were fighting. As long as the crime and terrorist activities do not get to the level that gets ordinary people onto the streets in rebellion, such activities provide jobs for government employees and provide a "necessary" amount of fear so the public accept ever increasing totalitarian police state governments, for their own "safety" of course....

And to be on topic, Rebels in Allepo have hit a hospital and caused many casualties, but I am not holding my breath to see if this is reported on France24, BBC, ARD, CNN etc. But perhaps they will say it is "unknown" who did it and then immediately follow the report with some news about Putin just to attempt to link him. They do this in print media by having a photo and article of some atrocity, then on the same page, and almost as if it were the same article, some trivial nonsense about Putin, with photo of course right beside the photo of destroyed hospital, dead civilian etc......

Vann7 wrote:

Basically, that's why you don't foster terrorist movements, because they always come back to bite your ass. Oh and don't shoot Russian jets cowardly... Turkish Hindsight 0/20.

Basically your have been duped.
There is never a "blow back" Terrorist never attack the hands that feeds them.
It never happened. What you call a "come back to byte your ass" is nothing more
than a staged event. a false flag.

all that "ISIS" vs TUrkey is just a Show , that Erdogan later can use ,
to distance itself from ISIS. and claim "see.. ISIS are not our allies ,they fighting us"
Probably the Turkey private army inside Syria fired on itself. and the damage was all calculated. A false flag with controlled damage. So many fools here ,believing that just because ISIS claim anything on is social media is true.  all that myth of the "blow back" comes from the Bin Laden
retaliation of WTC 9/11 which never happened. it was an inside job.

Without Turkey ,from where is ISIS going to get its supplies ? From space? There is NO CHANCE , zero ,that ISIS will fight Turkey. They have many dozens of thousands of mercenaries and all of them needs to eat ,all of them needs satellite communications ,military supplies. Without Turkey help ,ISIS collapse in just weeks. and will be the end of Alqaeda too. Don't be naive the propaganda of ISIS. Erdogan is aiding all terror groups not only in Syria but also in IRAQ, and without Turkey the american proxy war on Syria  collapse,
their multibillionaire oil business also stop ,and the fights in IRAQ against ISIS also collapse in the north.  It will be game over. Dont be so foolish to think for a second ISIS will ever hang itself ,
by fighting Turkey. it will be the same idiocy as claiming that the Syrian army ,starting to fight Russia. oh yes.. look at this twitter of ISIS. it have to be true because it said so.

Not even a million of videos ,will be a proof of ISIS fighting Turkey. it cannot happen ,because
their lives depends on Turkey supplies. Just yesterday Russia told Turkey also is using its hospitals to help wounded ISIS fighters. Such propaganda of ISIS and Turkey fighting only help
Erdogan ,as "proof" he is not aiding them.

i really think the naiveness of people with American promoted conflicts is because they do not understand the level of deception ,how far US gov can go ,to achieve their objectives ,and justify their wars and defend their allies.. They are perfectly capable of killing their own soldiers and shutdown their own planes  or even attack their own cities as WTC 2001 ,if that can allow them to justify their invasions to other nations and their policies.  Look no further that the USS Liberty incident. Israeli unmasked planes were given the order to sink an American warship ,
and kill hundreds of Americans marines ,with the full support of the American government. The incident was a false flag ,and it was going to be blamed on Egypt. and later used to justify Israel take over of many lands of Egypt. It didn't worked the plan ,because of a strong rebellion in the american Navy to come to the aid of their people and the reports of many by radio that it was israeli planes attacking them.  Don't be so naive. In American wars anything is valid and deception ,false flags ,civilians planes shutdown ,weapons of mass destruction ,is part of the game ,if it can help them justify their policies and actions.  RT just recently released a report of Turkey alliance with ISIS , so this incident serve as a counter to the strong evidence of Turkey support to ISIS. wake up. Turkey and ISIS are allies. there is no "blow back". Without Turkey support it will be suicide for ISIS to continue fighting in Syria or IRAQ. they will have no place to retreat. and Americans will be unable to continue its proxy war against Syria.

100% agree with you !

Syrian Air Force L-39 striking ISIS positions.

https://videopress.com/v/IkkGAf0t

So today, rebels in Aleppo shelled a major hospital, and launched a wide spread offensive that so far has been a failure. Initially the government was blamed by the usual suspects, but John Kerry stated that the rockets had come from opposition territory and condemned the atrocity. The major players are pushing for an Aleppo ceasefire, and the UNSC is convening, which could go either way.

IMO, we are getting close to zero hour. Rebels and Syrian forces have been pouring into the city over the last few weeks, there's been a lot of tension, and now, open skirmishes. I'm almost certain that if there's not a break in negotiations, the syrian forces and the kurds in the Afrin pocket are going to launch a major counterattack to surround Aleppo.

Zivo wrote:So today, rebels in Aleppo shelled a major hospital, and launched a wide spread offensive that so far has been a failure. Initially the government was blamed by the usual suspects, but John Kerry stated that the rockets had come from opposition territory and condemned the atrocity. The major players are pushing for an Aleppo ceasefire, and the UNSC is convening, which could go either way.

IMO, we are getting close to zero hour. Rebels and Syrian forces have been pouring into the city over the last few weeks, there's been a lot of tension, and now, open skirmishes. I'm almost certain that if there's not a break in negotiations, the syrian forces and the kurds in the Afrin pocket are going to launch a major counterattack to surround Aleppo.

An offensive to take Aleppo, must come quickly and has to be led by the SAA, these stupid ceasefires are a big mistake by Russia and Putin, the ceasefires are playing into wests hands.

Aleppo: US NATO False Flags, Lies and Propaganda

par far wrote:

Zivo wrote:So today, rebels in Aleppo shelled a major hospital, and launched a wide spread offensive that so far has been a failure. Initially the government was blamed by the usual suspects, but John Kerry stated that the rockets had come from opposition territory and condemned the atrocity. The major players are pushing for an Aleppo ceasefire, and the UNSC is convening, which could go either way.

IMO, we are getting close to zero hour. Rebels and Syrian forces have been pouring into the city over the last few weeks, there's been a lot of tension, and now, open skirmishes. I'm almost certain that if there's not a break in negotiations, the syrian forces and the kurds in the Afrin pocket are going to launch a major counterattack to surround Aleppo.

An offensive to take Aleppo, must come quickly and has to be led by the SAA, these stupid ceasefires are a big mistake by Russia and Putin, the ceasefires are playing into wests hands.

SAA captures pretty much Half of Aleppo, and the half that SAA hold is the half that 2 million people live in (majority of the population of Aleppo). With the ceasefire in place, all other groups fighting in it that are part of the ceasefire will allow the SAA to concentrate on the groups that are not (ISIS and Al Nusra), with SAA also bunkering down in the area they control. This works to SAA advantage as they will be able to concentrate on Dir Ezzor and other areas as well.

TheArmenian wrote:Syrian Air Force L-39 striking ISIS positions.

https://videopress.com/v/IkkGAf0t

good to see that the L-39's are still being used.

Lavrov: it is unlikely that Turkey will be decided on an operation in Syria, while there are HQs


РИА Новости http://ria.ru/syria/20160504/1426275139.html

MOSCOW, may 4 – RIA Novosti. Moscow doubts that anyone will dare to conduct a ground operation in Syria in light of the presence of the aerospace forces (VKS) Russia, said in an interview with RIA Novosti Russian foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
Russian fighter-bomber su-34 taking off from the airbase Maiming Syria. Archive photo

"I don't think anyone will dare to play a dangerous game due to the fact that there are Air and space forces of Russia and to arrange some kind of provocation," said Lavrov, answering a question, whether there is no danger that Turkey or Saudi Arabia wants to start a ground operation in the North of Syria.

Well seems he does not read social-media about Russia´s retreat


and here´s a friendly reminder to Erdogan:

Lavrov: on the downed su-24 by Turkey: replication is impossible, and the Turks know about it

http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160504/1426277393.html

The repetition of the incident in November 2015 Turkey Russian su-24 bomber impossible, it accepted all the measures, said in an interview with RIA Novosti Russian foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
"We have a provocation has faced. And our assessment is absolutely clear — the Turkish leadership has committed a crime and a mistake, that, as known, is worse than the crime. Now, of course, this is impossible, because all precautions have been taken to avoid any accidents. And the Turks know about it," — said Lavrov.

d_taddei2 wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:Syrian Air Force L-39 striking ISIS positions.

https://videopress.com/v/IkkGAf0t

good to see that the L-39's are still being used.

in original version in every L-39 K´rtek was in the cockpit