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    Post  yavar Sat Jul 22, 2017 12:55 pm

    Iran Sayyad-3C long-range air-defense missiles test ازمایش تست موشک برد بلند پدافندهوایی صیاد۳-سی

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    Post  yavar Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:00 pm

    Iran DIO mass delivery LR Sayyad-3C Air Defense missiles خط‌ تولید موشک برد بلند صیاد۳ پدافندهوایی


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    Post  George1 Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:29 am

    Production of Iran's Sayyad 3 surface-to-air missiles began

    The first batch of anti-aircraft guided missiles Sayyad 3 transmits the Iranian air defense forces. The stated range of defeats the purpose - 120 km, the defeat of the height - 27 km.

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    Post  yavar Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:52 am

    Iran Khatam Al-anbia AD Gen Esmaili: Aref 2 IFF system شناسايي دوست از دشمن عارف دو پدافند



    Identification friend or foe (IFF) is an identification system designed for command and control. It enables military and national (civilian air traffic control) interrogation systems to identify aircraft, vehicles or forces as friendly and to determine their bearing and range from the interrogator. IFF may be used by both military and civilian aircraft.

    IFF was first developed during the Second World War, with the arrival of radar, and early friendly fire incidents.

    Despite the name, IFF can only positively identify friendly targets, not hostile ones. If an IFF interrogation receives no reply or an invalid reply, the object cannot be identified as friendly, but is not positively identified as foe. There are in addition many reasons that friendly aircraft may not properly reply to IFF.

    IFF is a tool within the broader military action of Combat Identification (CID), "the process of attaining an accurate characterization of detected objects in the operational environment sufficient to support an engagement decision." The broadest characterization is that of friend, enemy, neutral, or unknown. CID not only can reduce friendly fire incidents, but also contributes to overall tactical decision-making.


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    Post  yavar Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:54 pm

    Iran Khatam Al-anbia AD Gen Esmaili: Samiya, Basir, Samet-1 سمیع، بصیر، سما و صامت۱ پدافندی هوایی

    نشست خبری امیر فرزاد اسماعیلی فرمانده قرارگاه پدافند هوایی خاتم‌الانبیاء درباره سامانه‌های سمیع، بصیر، سما و صامت ۱ پدافندی هوایی
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    Press conference brigadier General Amir Farzad Esmaili, head of the Air Defense Base Khatam Al-anbia, on the Samiya, Basir, Samae and Smet-1 Air Defense systems

    Iran Unveils New Air Defense Gear
    In a ceremony in Tehran, Air Defense Commander Brigadier General Farzad Esmaili unveiled the four systems, dubbed Sama, Samee’, Baseer, and Samet-1.
    Sama, used for detecting aerial targets and controlling air traffic, is the first of its kind made in a West Asian country. It automatically receives data from flights crossing the Iranian airspace and defines the flight path in a short span.
    The homegrown system would be used to assist the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization in air traffic control and obviate the need for importing foreign equipment.
    Another system, Baseer, monitors and transfers data from radar and navigation systems to the command and control center, replacing six data analysis and transfer systems.
    Utilization of Baseer would the need for 54 forces on each working shift.
    The next achievement, Samee’, is a mobile system for the collection of radar and navigation data, which can be mounted on manned or unmanned aerial vehicles.
    And Samet-1 is an automation system coordinating the air defense sites that collect data
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    Post  yavar Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:45 pm

    Iran Khatam Al-anbia AD systems Sama, Samee’, Baseer, Samet-1سمیع، بصیر، سما,صامت۱ پدافندهوایی

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:26 pm

    What's people's view on Iranian air defence? They seem to have quite a mish mash of equipment but most seem to copies with a few upgrades but the problem I see is that most are western copies and I would suspect the west already know there weaknesses due to being western original designs and there's only so much upgrades systems such the ones based on hawk,crotale, and rapier u can do. There is also some soviet/ Russian equipment and then there's the more unique systems such as the Bahman based on zsu 57-2, the sa'ir based on ks-19, and the mesbah fully automated radar guided 8 barrelled zu-23-2. It really is a mish mash but it would be interesting to see your views
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:39 pm

    Some things can be changed that would effectively change the structure of the SAM system even if it western. For instance, Iran produces their own processors which can be used for the various subcomponents used in the missiles and radar technology that would change the whole thing, meaning that it becomes harder to jam. Frequencies can change and so does its anti jamming capabilities. Sorry, I am suffering a hangover so I am not quite mentally there to explain the whole thing, but essentially Iran has the capabilities to change enough of the missile itself so it isn't so easy for US or others to "jam" it or pull the same thing that France pulled on Argentina during the Falklands war and its anti ship missiles.

    I would wager that Iran isn't bluffing on their AD systems and that these systems are real. Their effectiveness is in question but never underestimate anyone.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:05 am

    Having a mish mash of differing systems makes it more complex to operate and maintain, but it also complicates the problem for the attacker because each system will have a strength and a weakness and by mixing together some weaknesses can be eliminated or at least minimised.

    Just as an example the SA-6 was an effective system when first encountered because of its continuous wave guidance caused problems.

    It was not useful against low flying targets, so the first countermeasure was simply to dive down to low level flight.

    On its own that would make it fairly useless, but combined with low altitude systems like MANPADS and SPAAGs like Shilka it made Israeli aircraft vulnerable to attack where normally they would simply over fly such systems.

    Different systems can force the enemy to change tactics, but if you anticipate their reaction you can continue to shoot down aircraft by allowing for the obvious tactics.
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    Post  yavar Sun Sep 03, 2017 12:26 pm

    Iran Khatam al-Anbia air defense airborne UAV unitsآشیانه پهپادهای پدافند هوایی خاتم الانبیاء

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    Post  yavar Sun Sep 03, 2017 2:47 pm

    Iran Khatam Al-anbia AD, detection, radio exchange warning to intruder U.S RQ-4 spy UAV اخطار پدافند

    Iran Khatam Al-anbia AD detection, radio exchange warning, intruder U-2 spy plane اخطار پدافند یو-۲
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    Post  yavar Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:22 am

    Iran IRIB1 documentary Khatam Al-anbia AD: S300,Bavar-373,futureقرارگاه پدافند هوایی اس-۳۰۰ باور-۳۷
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    Post  nomadski Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:00 pm

    Where is it best to destroy an enemy aircraft or incoming missiles ? The answer I think is at the point where the enemy has invested the greatest resources in building them and at a point where these weapons are just below operational level . For aircraft then , this is a point where assembly is almost complete at the factory . Where they exist with production machinery . Same for missiles . Therefore the best Iranian jet fighter and SAM is in fact a long range SSM or shorter range submarine launched cruise missiles to destroy enemy facility . Long before they come near us . The less cost effective method is to try and be a good goal keeper against many shots fired from many different players . Most deadly and difficult to stop can be low RCS cruise missiles fired from B52 , from 4000 km range . The best tactic is not to play this game . But to destroy the factory itsef . Hitting yank bases with 2000 km range tactical missiles will not stop or drastically reduce yank capability to hit Iran from platforms further afield . One cruise missile with one tonne conventional warhead can disable electricity supplies for entire city .

    For the multi- millionares who run America , there is two possible scenario for Iran . The win win and the win loose ( they win and we loose ) . They have decided that win loose is better for them . Since the military sector makes money by building more weapons . And civil sectors can win big later by monopolising the Iranian market . There is no loose loose scenario for them . If they attack , then they suffer no loses to their factories or banks or stock exchange or Las Vegas , where they have fun . Unless Iran can create a loose loose scenario , then they will opt for win loose instead .

    I used to think that ICBM and cruise missiles with conventional warheads only had a limited psychological impact . But because of huge increase in accuracy , only a few need to get through to make a difference . Imagine no factory or stock exchange or Las Vegas for a few weeks . This will be an unacceptable cost to them . Enough to change their minds .

    So if you don't have ICBM , then make them . If you have them then display them . So they change their thinking .
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    Post  yavar Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:09 pm

    Iran Khatam Al-Anbia AD S300 transport to Khorasan province ایران پدافند هوایی اس-۳۰۰ استان خراسان

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    Post  yavar Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:27 pm


    Iran Army Khatam Anbia Air Defense base drill Velayat ایران زمايش ولايت پدافند هوايي





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    Post  nomadski Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:41 pm

    Why not build a dog fighting air superiority UCAV ?  SAM fly too fast and has very big  turning circle . This is how fighter jet manage to evade them . But a UCAV can match the flight of a jet fighter . Plus it can pull higher G forces . And has no casualty rate if shot down . Because pilot is on the ground directing flight .

    The trick is to allow a directional signal , laser or radio . That is very difficult or impossible to jam . And also allow pilot to execute automated maneuvers . So it can change direction to evade incoming missiles . And quickly returns the craft to within shooting position .

    If we criticise that the data link can be possibly jammed . Then basically we have to admit that ALL missiles can be jammed , and none should be built ! For low budget air defence or air force , this can be within technical ability of Iran . Using smaller jet engines , that it makes . In a low weight composite airframe . And lower complexity . Since no pilot on board . And lower cost .
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    Post  yavar Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:26 am



    Iran Khatam al-Anbia Air Defense Base (the central headquarters of the Iranian Army’s Air Defense), the IRGC Aerospace Force, and squadrons from the Army’s Air Force joint Air Defense Exercise Velayat 97
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    Post  nomadski Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:21 am

    So what now ?  How much damage should Iran sustain ,  before retaliation ?  Looking at the economic and political situation , it is clear that if the present conditions are imposed , that Iran will get weaker . Much weaker than now . Upto a point that society will collapse . Then the Yanks will march in .

    So I have to say , since my vote is counted .  And I am listened to . That :

    ( 1 )  No negotiations should be carried out with the Yanks .  Negotiations are only possible if a reasoned compromise solution is possible that benefits the public good . The demands that the yanks made are all harmful to Iranian and regional peace and security .

    ( 2 ) Since the Yanks broke the nuclear deal . Which  was a reasoned and beneficial compromise . Then no negotiations are possible on this and associated issue . Iran should now enrich uranium  . And build a nuke weapon force . With land based ICBM . And submarine based nuke cruise missiles . This should be kept hidden until the right moment .

    ( 3 )  Retaliation should start at a time , when nuke forces are ready . The enemy stronghold  is in USA .  The arms manufactureres and politicians  .  We can not reach them . So Yank regional interests must be destroyed .
    They have plenty of bases and enterprises in our region within easy reach . At first indirect attack by proxy can be easily done . In Syria . In Iraq . In Afghanistan . In Persian Gulf . In R . Azerbaijan . Later direct attacks .

    ( 4 )  Only purely yank interests should be taken out . Third party collaborators . Regional puppets . Or governments should be kept out . We have to eliminate the cause of the problem and not add to it . Iran should also make this clear . And allow for oil sales and trade with any nation that stays neutral  . Otherwise they will be a target .

    This is the only real solution .

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    Post  starman Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:54 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    ( 2 ) Since the Yanks broke the nuclear deal . Which  was a reasoned and beneficial compromise . Then no negotiations are possible on this and associated issue . Iran should now enrich uranium  . And build a nuke weapon force

    ( 3 )  Retaliation should start at a time , when nuke forces are ready . The enemy stronghold  is in USA .

    I think Iran has been wise and prudent to show restraint. By not resuming its nuke program, even after Trump ditched the treaty, Tehran is made to look reasonable, which helps it gain international sympathy and hence circumvent sanctions. Iran may still suffer a lot economically, but should keep its cool. With luck, in a few years, the screwball in the White House will be gone and his policies with him. Smile


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    Post  nomadski Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:59 pm

    Starman . Destruction and tribal warfare is a part of human nature and society . Sure , now the most aggressive forms are exhibited by a certain tribe or collection of tribes . They mostly live in what is known as the USA .  But by no means are they a historical abnormality . The human condition and some material conditions , bring about destructive wars .

    Wars in the past were fought with much less destructive weapons . As a result one side or another won the war or prevailed . But weapons became more destructive . Modern conventional wars have few winners . But humans still imagine wrongly  that they can be winners . A false hope and illusion . Leading to mass destruction .

    Nukes do not allow any winners . They replace  the false hope of victory with the reality of certain defeat . They make war much less likely or impossible . Since humans despite their evil natures ,  still have enough sense to avoid certain death . They  stay alive , because they can see into the fires  of hell . And we should not deny them the fires of hell  .

    So  even if  mother Theresa  became the next US president . Rest assured that evil will rise elsewhere . In Asia or Europe or Africa . There will always be war among humans . Unless great fear and death keeps them from it .  That is why Iran needs nukes .

    Nukes stop wars . And if they start , their presence quickly ends wars .  That is why I am pro -nuclear . And I think that the only way to stop humans from destroying  each other  through war , is for each nation that needs nukes to get nukes . And they will .
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    Post  starman Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:41 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    Nukes stop wars

    Not necessarily. The arabs were well aware of Israel's nuclear bombs prior to their attack of 1973.

    .... is  for  each  nation that needs nukes to get nukes . And they will .

    Believe me, I see nothing wrong in principle with Iran getting nukes. It is absurd that the international community, led by the US (or "ZOG") hounds Iran mercilessly over the single nuke or a few it might build while remaining indifferent to the big nuke arsenal Israel already has.
    In this screwed up world order, Iran has to tread carefully. I'm sure they would've built nukes already if only they could do so with acceptable risk. India was able to do that, but woe to any enemy of Israel that tries it...Iran is probably lucky it didn't suffer a massive attack years ago. A zionist influenced world is a harsh reality Iran has to face, and I think their caution is understandable.
    Maybe in the next 10 years, in somewhat different circumstances, it may be possible.


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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:52 am

    Nukes stop wars . And if they start , their presence quickly ends wars . That is why I am pro -nuclear . And I think that the only way to stop humans from destroying each other through war , is for each nation that needs nukes to get nukes . And they will .

    I totally agree... Israel has nukes so I think at the very least Iran should have some too.

    If Iran cannot be allowed to have them then Israel should not have them either... remember the justification for Israel having nukes is in case her hostile neighbours get them... so if all measures are going to be taken to prevent Israels neighbours from getting nuke weapons then Israel does not need any nuclear weapons at all.

    Not necessarily. The arabs were well aware of Israel's nuclear bombs prior to their attack of 1973.

    The US having nuclear weapons wont stop Taleban forces shooting US soldiers in Afghanistan either... but his point is a reasonable one I think.

    Both sides having the nukes and most importantly the ability to deliver them to enemy territory is a great deterrent to aggressive rhetoric normally... but even today that does not seem to matter to irrational actors like the US vs Russia or the EU vs Russia.

    But they can work themselves up into a froth all the want... they wont step over that line because they know it is suicide.

    Personally I think the best thing that Iran can do right now is just spell things out to the US and Israel... they want Iran out of Syria... fine... Iran is in Syria to help the Syrian government... the legitimate Syrian government... to fight terrorists and to help rebuild... if US forces withdraw and support for terrorists ceases and the US/Israel spend a fraction of the money they have been spending destroying Syria to help rebuild then Iran will withdraw out of Syria certainly for the time being.

    Otherwise Iran is there to help a friend and ally and if you keep attacking them they will take measures to make things worse for you.

    Also Iran is in Iraq because Iraq is now a friend and a neighbour... get used to it.

    Iran also has interests in Afghanistan... get over that.

    One of the obvious options to deal with airstrikes from the US or Israel on Iranian forces anywhere in the region would be to open up the transport lanes to Afghanistan... I am sure they could benefit from TOW missile systems captured in Syria supplied by the west, or indeed a range of other western supplied munitions to fight US forces in Afghanistan and the general region... they did it when the Soviets were in Afghanistan in the 1980s...
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    Post  nomadski Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:04 pm


    @starman and GarryB

    I think if the Arabs had nukes then they would not attack Usrael in the first place . And even if they did then an initial nuke exchange would put all conflict on hold for a very long time . Similarly if Taliban had nukes then they could not attack yanks . Nor yanks attack Taliban . For fear of annihilation . If only one side to a conflict has them , then this does not stop conflict . If both sides have them , then it does . If Usrael had faced annihilation by conventional forces , it would have used nukes . So all those that need them , should get them .

    Regarding air defence . Iran tested a new modified warhead SAM . With success . They did not say how modified . But if any nuke warhead is defensive and legitimate , it is a SAM with nuke warhead . Imagine all those planes electrics fried with EMP . All those pilots ejecting and prisoners . But I don't think it was a nuke EMP warhead . But I wish it was . And I am sure it could be .



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