Iran Air Defense Systems

whats peoples views on the the Sa-eer 100mm automatic gun, the Mesbah 1 and the ZU-23-6 all systems that have used existing weapons but greatly upgraded them to be automated and radar guided except for the ZU-23-6 descriptions below with pictures:

Sa-eer gun is fully automatic, its is coupled to a command post which has a opto-electronics station for the acquisition, sighting and firing of several guns. The smart system can track and fire target automatically in the range to 20 to 40 km and the altitude of 15 km. A command post and its automatic guidance and firing system allow the control of four guns at the same time. It would most likely be used with the Skyguard radar or some other Iranian made radar.


Mesbah 1 uses 4 Iranian built Russian ZU-23-2 (8 guns total) installed on a rotatable mount. Each autocannon has its own feed magazine. Each ZU-23-2 has a reported fire rate of 2000 rpm. But surprisingly the whole system is reported to have a rate of 4000 rpm instead of 8000 this has been done to save ammunition. The Mesbah-1 is fully integrated with surveillance and targeting radar which is mounted on a towed cabin suitable for fixed site deployment. The Mesbah-1 uses Radar and IR/Optical sensors to find its target automatically. Its radar is described as 3D flat-antenna radar with a good accuracy that finds and traces the target and gives its position to the fire control system. Its automatic control system makes it need less crew to operate and its sophisticated tracking and tracing algorithms makes it able to engage small targets like incoming missiles. The Mesbah-1 uses a small Planar Array Radar, which can detect HARM (high-speed anti-radiation) missile from 30 km. The system also includes back-up EO tracking and fire control. Even if Mesbah-1 uses only Electro Optical guidance then it can detect HARM in Infra-Red Thermal camera. 10 kilometers of detection range will give Mesbah-1 20 seconds to lock onto and shoot down the target. (10 kilometers target distance, 500 meters/second target speed, 20 second approaching time).


The ZU-23-6 is an Iranian made anti-aircraft gun system based on the Russian anti-aircraft gun ZU-23-2. The Iranian defence Industry has designed and manufactured this new concept of weapon system with the use of 6 barrels of 23 mm gun. Analysis of pictures of ZU-23-6 seem to indicate that the system is manual operated. The ZU-23-6 is a clear weather only system with no provision for radar fire control. A single seat is mounted at the rear of the four-wheel carriage probably for the gunner.

Sa-eer 100mm





MesBah-1




ZU-23-6

Can't see the pics.

The ZSU-23-4 has different cannon from the ZU-23-2... they have a higher rate of fire and are water cooled on the ZSU-23-4. I suspect the use of 6 barrels of the ZU-23-2 is an attempt to get the rate of fire without using the different cannon.

GarryB wrote:Can't see the pics.

The ZSU-23-4 has different cannon from the ZU-23-2... they have a higher rate of fire and are water cooled on the ZSU-23-4. I suspect the use of 6 barrels of the ZU-23-2 is an attempt to get the rate of fire without using the different cannon.

i can see the pics and they seem to uploaded ok, is anyone else having same problem?


interesting never knew that about the ZSU-23-2 and ZSU-23-4

mack8 wrote:First footage of operational IRIADF S-300PMU-2!

I can see the launcher vehicle and the Tomb Stone radar.
Which Flap Lid did they get?

How about optional low alt Clam Shell or the newest 96L6E? Maybe ukropian Tin Shield?

interesting never knew that about the ZSU-23-2 and ZSU-23-4

They both use the rather powerful high velocity 23 x 152mm rounds, but the towed ZU-23 uses the 2A14 cannon, while the Shilka has the 2A7 cannon with a water cooling jacket that allows high rate of fire.

There were occasions where the guns would continue to fire after the trigger was released... it was one of the reasons they tended to operate in two sets of pairs away from the units they defended...

Iran images S-300PUM2 long range AD systems Test in Semnan فیلم تست سامانه اس-۳۰۰ در کویر سمنان

Hi at mod can you allow me to make post with links  from day one please . my account says i am not allowed

There are sound reasons for the limitation on posting links for new users.

If you want to post a link you can simply paste it into your message and then replace the .s with spaces... ie

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Users can then replace the dots and view the link you wanted to post...

Otherwise... please be patient.

Here's another longer video of iranian S-300PMU-2:


For what it's worth i know Yavar from other places Garry, i may not always agree with his views but he's genuine. What's the limit to be able to post links, is it 10 posts? Anyway, with IMF gone, there's a dearth of info on recent iranian military developments (controversial or not). I for one would like to hear more about the recent developments with SAM systems like Raad/Tabas/3 Khordad family, Bavar, Sayyad/Talash etc. so perhaps mr Yavar could help us with that.

If he is OK with you, he is OK with me, but unfortunately the forum software is not so flexible to allow exceptions to such rules.

Certainly at the level I have access to.

Thanks Garry, well if mr. Yavar wants to be an active member here and post links shouldn't be hard to post the necessary 7 or 10 posts to be able to do so. Like i said before, we could certainly welcome comments on iranian military issues.

And so that this post is not empty, here's couple of videos showing iranian Tabas, 3 Khordad (equivalent to Buk-M1 and M2 respectively) and Sayyad-2 SAM systems:

Iranian S-300PMU-2 in excercise
http://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/589585.html


Wonder where this exercise happend

mack8 wrote:Here's another longer video of iranian S-300PMU-2:
For what it's worth i know Yavar from other places Garry, i may not always agree with his views but he's genuine. What's the limit to be able to post links, is it 10 posts? Anyway, with IMF gone, there's a dearth of info on recent iranian military developments (controversial or not). I for one would like to hear more about the recent developments with SAM systems like Raad/Tabas/3 Khordad family, Bavar, Sayyad/Talash etc. so perhaps mr Yavar could help us with that.

thanks M8 . i just want to be able to update the Iranian section with latest development that all

first layer early warning systems and PAVE Phased Array Warning System and log rane systems .

Iran Imam Sadegh space Surveillance,Monitoring Base, Outer space interceptor رصد و مراقبت فضايی



Iran long range high altitude air surveillance radar
رادار جستجوگر برد بلند مراقبت هوايي


Iran first Ghadir 3D phased array radar range of 1100 altitude of 300 km رادار آرایه فازی D غدیر

https://www.rt.com/news/232515-iran-sepehr-radar-installed/
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/more-long-range-iranian-early-warning-radars-revealed.332520/

شلیک سامانه پدافند هوایی سوم خرداد Iran test firing IRGC "Third Khordad" air defense system







Iran "Raad" or "Ra'd" surface-to-air air defense missile system سیستم دفاع هوایی رعد‎‎





Iran "Tabas" mobile air defense system سیستم دفاع هوایی طبس

Iran domestically designed&built Sayyad-2 medium range air defense missile system دفاع هوایی صیاد-۲

Iran NEBO Radar رادار نبو

Iran Bavar-373 long range Air Defense System سامانه پدافند هوایی موشکی باور۳۷۳

https://imgur.com/a/Pevhs

Hi,

I'm trying to get my head around the Bavar system missiles. Variously, Sayyad-3 and Sayyad-4 are mentioned, but it's not clear which is which.
Have read various posts on the www, so i'd like to ask, in the images here (ignoring the captions) is the white missile which has a body shape similar to that of 48N6 the Sayyad-4, and the red missile (which looks slimmer) the Sayyad-3?

http://defense-update.com/20150419_bavar_373.html

On another note, several years ago there was mention of a missile called Sadid-630. Any more information on it since?

Thank you.

yavar wrote:thanks M8 . i just want to be able to update the Iranian section with latest development that all

yavar, bro from IMF! Like mack8 said, genuine guy. Glad to have you onboard.

Sayyad-3C, apparently the slim missile i was asking about in the previous post, has been shown at the last parade:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iranian-air-defense-systems.326173/page-81#post-9393437

d_taddei2 wrote:and now Iran's new upgraded version of ZSU-57-2

http://armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/new_bahman_57mm_6x6_self-propelled_anti-aicraft_twin_gun_unveiled_by_iranian_armed_forces_11404162.html



The Bahman seems to equipped with a modified turret of Soviet-made ZSU-57-2 self-propelled anti-aircraft gun. Main armament consists of twin 57mm S-68 guns which have the same performance and use the same ammunition as the towed single S-60 anti-aircraft gun. The turret is mounted at the rear of the truck chassis.

The turret has an elevation an elevation of +85º, depression of -5º and 360º turret traverse. Elevation, depression and turret traverse are powered, with manual controls available for emergency use.

The original Soviet-made ZSU-57-2 has a rate of fire of 105 to 120 rds/min with a practical rate of fire of 70 rds/gun/min. Maximum horizontal range is 12,000 m, maximum vertical range 8,000 m, although effective ranges are less than this. Effective slant range is 3,993 m, effective altitude limit with weapons elevated at +45º is 2,835 m and effective altitude limit with weapons elevated at +65º is 4,237 m.
In firing position, the vehicle is stabilized by the use of two large hydraulic spades lowered on the ground on each side of the turret.

Very good new for Iran.
The Bahman should be considered as the masterpiece of Iranian air defense, beside their Bavar, S-300, Yahzarah, etc....
The greatest avantage of Bahman is not vulnerable to Jam, but the challenge is to forbid the altitude below 10.000 m. 60 years after the legend of S-60, the Bahman is now the best candidate. However in that time, the S-60 was effective until 6.000 meters altitude, for that reason, US lost several thousands of airplanes, then the S-60 contributed in significative way to the US defeat in Vietnam war. I notice too that the data available at armyrecongnition are not always reliable. How can they claim these assertions

....although effective ranges are less than this. Effective slant range is 3,993 m, effective altitude limit with weapons elevated at +45º is 2,835 m and effective altitude limit with weapons elevated at +65º is 4,237 m.

when they did not inspect this hardware, they have no clues, but they speculate about unknown datas. The S-60 was designed during the fifties, now we are near 2020. With the 3D priting -Iranians are among the best in this area-, computer design etc...it is obvious that the balistic made a huge progress, as the guidance.
The Bahman should have a passive systems that could detect enemies at least 40 km -if not more-, the vertical range should overpass 10.000 meters to reach around 12.000 meters, for that reason the Bahman is  extremely redoubtable against any western aircraft, and in a case of war this hardware will undoubtly nullify -as it is usual in all western air campaign- all US air bombing. The Hezbollah milice should possede this hardware too hence, it represents a crucial step for Lebaneses air defense.
Moreover, Russia is preparing too another successor to the S-60, it is names ZAK-57
http://www.telegiz.com/articles/22461/20170502/russian-army-will-use-special-shrapnel-destroy-aerial-drones.htm


The vertical range should exceed 10.000 meters too. The anti aircrafts guns are not dead, they won't be replaced by missiles, because they are more reliable.

What is that bullshit news source...

Transforming 30 mm and 57 mm guns into huge shotguns is primitive, inaccurate and indiscriminate but is stereotypically Russian.

They are combining old rounds with brand new smart fuses to detonate frag rounds in front of incoming threats like the AHEAD ammo the west uses to shoot down air targets.

There is nothing primitive or inaccurate or indiscriminate about it.

It is very accurate and very precise and very cost effective... a bit like modern western weapons except for the last bit...