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    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov

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    Post  George1 Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:07 pm

    Frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" performed the test firing in the Barents Sea

    In the near future it is planned to continue testing weapons systems frigates, including the implementation of artillery firing

    MURMANSK, February 24. / Corr. Ilya Vinogradov TASS /. The head of the project 22350 frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" carried out the shooting of a universal gun mount A-192 air targets in the Barents Sea. This was reported in the press-service fleet.

    As clarified in the press service, the shooting carried out within the factory ship running test.

    "Also, the calculations of combat units of the frigate, in cooperation with the Su-24 and MiG-31 single mixed regiment of the 45th Army Air Force and Air Defense of the Northern Fleet worked out a set of tasks for the detection and tracking of air targets at long range and in different heights ranging from the on-board radio engineering radar and weapons ", - said in a statement.

    During the testing of the ship were also tested its maneuvering characteristics at different speeds. In the near future it is planned to continue testing weapons systems frigates, including the implementation of artillery firing.

    Frigate was founded in early 2006 and launched in the fall of 2010. In November 2014 the "Admiral Gorshkov" for the first time came to the test.

    Project 22350 ships have a displacement of 4500 tons and can reach speeds of 29 knots. They are armed, particularly missiles "Onyx" and "Calibre" and anti-aircraft complex "Poliment-Redoute", as well as add-ons differ original architecture and the use of composite materials, which allow to reduce its visibility.


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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Mar 01, 2016 9:50 pm


    In Murmansk:

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:16 am


    Gorshkov testing phase seems to be taking quite a bit of time. Does anyone know what they are doing and how long it will last?

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    Post  George1 Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:44 pm

    The Ka-27 landed on the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" as part of the ship's trials

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    Post  Dima Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:53 pm

    Admiral is soooo handsome.  Very Happy  russia  
    The only downside being the monopoly with Severnya, the earliest this monopoly crap is broken and a second or third line started, the better for Russian navy's future.
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    The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" the players interact with the ship's helicopters
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    The frigate "the Admiral of Fleet of Soviet Union of pots" held in ranges of combat training of Northern fleet in the Barents sea, another series of tests of aviation-technical means of the ship. Together with the crews of Ka-27 helicopters of the Northern fleet air base was developed an element such as a landing ship helicopter on the ship.


    According to the press service of the Northern fleet in the near future a complex of tests of aviation-technical means of the ship will continue. In the Barents sea will be developed in collaboration with the Sukhoi su-24 separate mixed aviation regiment of the 45th army air force and air defense of the Northern fleet complex tasks in the detection and tracking of air targets at long range and over a range of heights with the on-Board radio and radar armament of the frigate.

    Head frigate of the project 22350 "Admiral of Fleet of Soviet Union of pots" arrived to the Northern fleet for the final stages of state testing of technical means and armament in the autumn of last year. Currently he has completed a series of tests associated with a complex of missile armament, in the White sea. In the Barents sea continue testing various ship systems and mechanisms.

    Project 22350 frigates are typical ships dlinnoplodny design, with a solid superstructure made using composite structural materials based on polyvinyl chloride and carbon fibers (composite materials provide a lower-level secondary radar field of the ship by absorption and scattering of radio waves). Physical field frigate is minimized.Thanks to the original add-in architecture and use of composite structural materials reduced effective surface scattering of the ship, which reduces its radar and optical visibility.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:54 pm



    How many 22350 are being built at the moment?


    Also, little something while we wait:
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    Post  franco Sun Mar 20, 2016 9:32 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    How many 22350 are being built at the moment?


    Also, little something while we wait:
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    Four are in various stages of construction.
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    Post  jaguar_br Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:26 pm

    franco wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    How many 22350 are being built at the moment?


    Also, little something while we wait:
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    Four are in various stages of construction.

    But there are also two more on order, rigth?

    According to this: http://www.vpk.ru/cgi-bin/uis/w3.cgi/CMS/Item/crt655498f058f7da6f2c28bea02970656154f0fb68e7c16d2d23c3ff5c597b3a36d8ad16eacf6c2c25e5d84d4d471920e5bc1cf8e25d0b19d6e040447c232b90bb24a5ec5f2a72dcdd7e1d541805e1a026fba944111be5da70634b1a0efdfd1ff8c45d0f23fbfc407d7c3e2dc2b966dbce7c2f05e6d3204c636959a2c064f4961d722befa72d1301615091ac61f19114742bedf12c19066c5dcbac61f0
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    Post  marat Thu Mar 24, 2016 7:19 pm

    franco wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    How many 22350 are being built at the moment?


    Also, little something while we wait:
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    Four are in various stages of construction.
    4+Gorshkov or 4 with this one?
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    Post  Honesroc Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:05 am

    marat wrote:
    franco wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    How many 22350 are being built at the moment?


    Also, little something while we wait:
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    Four are in various stages of construction.
    4+Gorshkov or 4 with this one?

    The latter
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    Post  zardof Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:32 am

    Honesroc wrote:
    marat wrote:
    franco wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    How many 22350 are being built at the moment?


    Also, little something while we wait:
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    Four are in various stages of construction.
    4+Gorshkov or 4 with this one?

    The latter

    the Fith Adm Yumashev will be laid down this year russia
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:33 pm

    zardof wrote:............

    the Fith Adm Yumashev will be laid down this year russia

    Good, good, but needs more. Keep them coming and don't stop for another couple of decades.
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    Post  Ned86 Mon Apr 04, 2016 9:34 am

    Recent photo of Admiral Kasatonov. Main difference to the previous photos of the same ship is that they mounted main radar.
    Hope they will start trials this year.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:53 am


    Admiral Gorshkov in Kola Bay

    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/76242/

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    Post  Isos Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:29 pm

    http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/20-09-2011/119087-frigates-0/

    18 billion rubles = 270 million $

    Is it true ?

    Seems very low for a frigate. Around 700 million to 1 billion euros have been paid by Egypt for a FREMM. Export Steregoushchy costs 150 million $.
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    Post  Guest Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:25 am

    Isos wrote:http://www.pravdareport.com/russia/economics/20-09-2011/119087-frigates-0/

    18 billion rubles = 270 million $

    Is it true ?

    Seems very low for a frigate. Around 700 million to 1 billion euros have been paid by Egypt for a FREMM. Export Steregoushchy costs 150 million $.

    Well price of Project 22350 is estimated on some 450ish million USD. Price was originally probably lower, but delays, need to replace some foreign equipment on them etc rose the price, probably even near 500mil.

    FREMM is truly overpriced however. Its realistic price is at least 20% lower.
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    Post  Honesroc Wed May 04, 2016 12:39 pm

    The Russian Navy expects to receive six new Project 22350 frigates by 2025

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160504/1039046212/navy-minister-frigate.html#ixzz47gMmbIWZ
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    Post  Mirlo Wed May 04, 2016 10:28 pm

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    The Russian Navy expects to receive six new Project 22350 frigates by 2025

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160504/1039046212/navy-minister-frigate.html#ixzz47gMmbIWZ

    This is a very bad news for the Russian Navy. To me it is demonstrating that there are big difficulties (much more tan openly admitted) in the modernization program. All major ship projects are delayed or at very low production rate or simply stoped. Six ships in nine years is horrible, making that when they enter in service they will be almost obsolete. Honestly I was expecting at leats one per year with a mínimum of 8 to replace the Sovremmeny class.

    If the problem are the gas turbines, why they do not go to china, QC185 gas turbine may be a good choice, at least a stop gap option. But in my opinion the problems are deeper than the gas turbines and lay in the whole concept, something is going wrong with this Project.

    Best regards

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu May 05, 2016 12:27 pm

    Mirlo wrote:
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    The Russian Navy expects to receive six new Project 22350 frigates by 2025

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160504/1039046212/navy-minister-frigate.html#ixzz47gMmbIWZ

    This is a very bad news for the Russian Navy. To me it is demonstrating that there are big difficulties (much more tan openly admitted) in the modernization program. All major ship projects are delayed or at very low production rate or simply stoped. Six ships in nine years is horrible, making that when they enter in service they will be almost obsolete. Honestly I was expecting at leats one per year with a mínimum of 8 to replace the Sovremmeny class.

    If the problem are the gas turbines, why they do not go to china, QC185 gas turbine may be a good choice, at least a stop gap option. But in my opinion the problems are deeper than the gas turbines and lay in the whole concept, something is going wrong with this Project.

    Best regards

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    Pr 22350 will be nearly obsolete in 2025?  You've got rocks in your head...

    What exactly is going wrong other than the usual lengthy integration time required to get all-new technology working together into a robust package that is fit to fight a war?  making sure the ship works as expected before committing to a lengthy serial build. Everything on the Gorshkov is new concept.  new phased array radars, new SAMs and VLS, new CIWS, new battle management systems, new AShM VLS, new artillery, new sonars.....   new fucking everything.

    Include the Ukropistani treachery and delays are hardly unexpected...

    Seriously...
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    Post  Austin Thu May 05, 2016 1:13 pm

    Those 4 Faced Radar on the side of the frigate are they AESA radar ? IF so of what type
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    Post  Isos Thu May 05, 2016 2:03 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Mirlo wrote:
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    The Russian Navy expects to receive six new Project 22350 frigates by 2025

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160504/1039046212/navy-minister-frigate.html#ixzz47gMmbIWZ

    This is a very bad news for the Russian Navy. To me it is demonstrating that there are big difficulties (much more tan openly admitted) in the modernization program. All major ship projects are delayed or at very low production rate or simply stoped. Six ships in nine years is horrible, making that when they enter in service they will be almost obsolete. Honestly I was expecting at leats one per year with a mínimum of 8 to replace the Sovremmeny class.

    If the problem are the gas turbines, why they do not go to china, QC185 gas turbine may be a good choice, at least a stop gap option. But in my opinion the problems are deeper than the gas turbines and lay in the whole concept, something is going wrong with this Project.

    Best regards

    Mirlo


    Pr 22350 will be nearly obsolete in 2025?  You've got rocks in your head...

    What exactly is going wrong other than the usual lengthy integration time required to get all-new technology working together into a robust package that is fit to fight a war?  making sure the ship works as expected before committing to a lengthy serial build. Everything on the Gorshkov is new concept.  new phased array radars, new SAMs and VLS, new CIWS, new battle management systems, new AShM VLS, new artillery, new sonars.....   new fucking everything.

    Include the Ukropistani treachery and delays are hardly unexpected...

    Seriously...

    Even if it gets obsolete, they can easily put new systems in it. Soviet era ships are not easily improvable because each system has specifique design. VLS on Gorshkov can be programmed to lunch any new missile, not the case of Moskit lunchers or P-700 luncher on kirov. Look how many time they need to improve Kirov class.
    Gorshkov is on paire with any modern ship being build in the west or in china or Japan. Don't think NATO has anything better than that ...

    6 ship in 9 years is not because they don't know how to make it but because shipyards need work. They could build them in 2 years like they did during the 70's when they lunched tens of warship in one year (and not corvettes but SNA's, Aircraft carriers, SSGN's...) but then they will don't have work for thousand of men => Economic issues. No one today can make a war against Russia so 9 ships or 20 is not a problem for them.
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    Post  Guest Thu May 05, 2016 3:06 pm

    Mirlo wrote:
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    The Russian Navy expects to receive six new Project 22350 frigates by 2025

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160504/1039046212/navy-minister-frigate.html#ixzz47gMmbIWZ

    This is a very bad news for the Russian Navy. To me it is demonstrating that there are big difficulties (much more tan openly admitted) in the modernization program. All major ship projects are delayed or at very low production rate or simply stoped. Six ships in nine years is horrible, making that when they enter in service they will be almost obsolete. Honestly I was expecting at leats one per year with a mínimum of 8 to replace the Sovremmeny class.

    If the problem are the gas turbines, why they do not go to china, QC185 gas turbine may be a good choice, at least a stop gap option. But in my opinion the problems are deeper than the gas turbines and lay in the whole concept, something is going wrong with this Project.

    Best regards

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    Post  Isos Thu May 05, 2016 10:42 pm

    I would just put 4 or 8 more KH-35 Uran on it. It's a really good anti ship missile that can serve before the Oniks/Kalibr to make the ennemy use some AA missiles. It can also be used against non armed vessels (tanker or thug ...).

    Or the best use they can make of it is use it with Oniks. Lunch 4 Kh-35 wait and lunch 4 oniks which will arrive at the same moment on the target. The ships will target Kh-35 and the fast oniks will have more chances to get through the air defences as the radars opperators will be distract with Uran's.

    Most of the naval battles don't occure at maximum ranges so it is realistic.
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    Post  hoom Sat May 07, 2016 11:59 am

    Following the 'progress' of these ships (albeit only for the last few years vs a decade for some...) is incredibly frustrating.

    They are a damn sexeh form/layout with great potential capability.
    While not a match for a Burke, its clearly more efficient capability:displacement than anything else in the West like Horizon/Type 45.

    On the one hand I see the continued Service delays as kind of a response to the extended experimental service of Severodvinsk/Lada & they don't want to take it into service until everything is actually working properly.
    On the other, even a limited capability Gorshkov in service could plug some significant capability gap as eg UK has done with the Type 45s.

    A big concern is the absence of any indication that the Poliment/Redut system is actually working yet, this being arguably the most important system.
    Also Kasatanov seems a worryingly long way short of being able to follow Gorshkov into service unlike Essen which is following Grigorovitch by only about a month.
    The engine issues outrageous as they are don't excuse that lack of progress elsewhere & Kasatanov has engines anyway.


    A thing that has been exercising my mind is what kind of missile loadout you would use: on the one hand you can load a stupid amount of the short range quad pack missiles for max defense against a saturation attack, on the other hand you want to intercept as many as possible at the max range so you'd want to put in lots of the longest range missile, but it may be that the chance of successful intercept at that range is relatively small so you might want to go for more of the medium range missiles instead?
    Does anyone know what sort of ratio Burkes typically use?

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