But bear in mind that KIlo SSKs are double-hulled, meaning their pressure hulls are stronger by definition..
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Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
kumbor- Posts : 311
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Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
But bear in mind that KIlo SSKs are double-hulled, meaning their pressure hulls are stronger by definition..
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Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Not really.
They don't have two pressure hulls, they have one pressure hull and an outer hull that is flooded and not meant to hold anything out or in.
On the Oscar class SSGNs the gap between the inner pressure hull and the outer hull was where the main Granit missiles were stored... 12 on each side.
The outer hull looks thick but it is sound baffling material.... it is not armour or a pressure hull, it is just the outer skin.
By definition any armour layer that gets penetrated and for the contents of the penetrator to be over 300kgs of HE and the armour actually works against the vehicle by containing the explosion temporarily... intensifying the damage inside and ensuring the entire crew die.
If you want to blow up a tree stump you drill a hole into it and put the charge inside the tree.
If you have to put it outside the tree or object you strap something on the outside for the explosion to push against to damage the thing you are trying to blow a hole through.
For instance to blow a hole through a brick wall you get two flat bits of wood like 4x2s and tape or nail them together in the form of a cross and put plastic explosives at the ends of each of the pieces of wood and put the explosive up against the wall to blow a hole through.
If you were trying to bring down the building with a huge HE charge just open the door and place it in the centre of the building near the structural supports.
They don't have two pressure hulls, they have one pressure hull and an outer hull that is flooded and not meant to hold anything out or in.
On the Oscar class SSGNs the gap between the inner pressure hull and the outer hull was where the main Granit missiles were stored... 12 on each side.
The outer hull looks thick but it is sound baffling material.... it is not armour or a pressure hull, it is just the outer skin.
By definition any armour layer that gets penetrated and for the contents of the penetrator to be over 300kgs of HE and the armour actually works against the vehicle by containing the explosion temporarily... intensifying the damage inside and ensuring the entire crew die.
If you want to blow up a tree stump you drill a hole into it and put the charge inside the tree.
If you have to put it outside the tree or object you strap something on the outside for the explosion to push against to damage the thing you are trying to blow a hole through.
For instance to blow a hole through a brick wall you get two flat bits of wood like 4x2s and tape or nail them together in the form of a cross and put plastic explosives at the ends of each of the pieces of wood and put the explosive up against the wall to blow a hole through.
If you were trying to bring down the building with a huge HE charge just open the door and place it in the centre of the building near the structural supports.
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Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Backman wrote:gc3762 wrote:You do realise the images were fake, propaganda?
Some on the pro Russia side say they are real. Some on the pro Russia side say they are fake.
Close up pics of a submarine like this should never make it on social media either way.
The Russian ministry of defense have unequivocally stated that both vessels will be repaired. That resolves the question as far as I am concerned. I can't reconcile the size of the visible damage with the size of the warhead carried by the limey missile. A internal explosion of that size should have at least distorted the hull from the resulting over pressure yet all we have is a surgical entry hole.

The quality of the pics is also very low which allows the faker to conceal the inevitable artifacts introduced by the shopping work.
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kumbor- Posts : 311
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Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
It is obvious that every submarine has only one pressure hull (прочный корпус). Even old Dutch Potvis/Dolfijn, although they were "triple hulled", they have three pressure, tube-like hulls, where lower two house powerplant, and upper house armament, electronics and crew compartments, Essentially, they make a triangle, but as they are all connected, they also act as ONE pressure hull "Light hull", outer hull is lightly built and mostly free-flooded. What to say about Pr.941 Akula (Typhoon), with, I think, FIVE PRESSURE HULLS, Anyway, there is NO one pressure hull WITHIN another, but abreast and on top, as they were constructed to survive a direct hit of US Mk.48 torpedo.
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Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
GarryB's post lays the damage BS to rest. The image posted on social media were clearly fake. There was no indication of a near miss by a 250 kg warhead that
could have produced more limited hull damage. So if the sub was hit as claimed, then it would have been totaled similarly to the image posted above.
could have produced more limited hull damage. So if the sub was hit as claimed, then it would have been totaled similarly to the image posted above.
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Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
Anyway, there is NO one pressure hull WITHIN another, but abreast and on top, as they were constructed to survive a direct hit of US Mk.48 torpedo.
To protect a target from a HE explosion what you need are air pockets. The outer layer of the outer hull carries tiles to reduce noise and the reflection of noise from the outer hull, if they were smart (and they are smart) inside that layer they can have an air pocket and then things like missile tubes or bladders containing ballast water for manouvering and then another air pocket and then the pressure hull if the inner hull.
A blast on the outer hull would crush the outer hull but the air pockets inside would collapse and compress and absorb the blast wave... the way water can't... because water does not compress. In fact the problem is so bad that the US don't use blast HE torpedo warheads any more for their anti sub torpedoes... their anti sub torpedoes for quite some time have been HEAT designs intended t blow a small hole through deep armour to try to reach that inner pressure hull because if they don't reach it they really don't cause substantial damage to the sub despite the rather large weapons they use.
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Re: Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK
MOSCOW, November 18. /TASS/. The Project 636.3 submarine "Novorossiysk" of the Black Sea Fleet (BSF), after completion of repairs, will serve as part of the Permanent Operational Force of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean Sea. A source close to the Russian Navy reported this to TASS.
“The submarine “Novorossiysk” of the Black Sea Fleet, after completion of repairs at the Kronstadt Naval Order of Lenin Plant, will serve as part of the Mediterranean squadron of the Russian Navy,” the agency’s interlocutor said.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/19318383
“The submarine “Novorossiysk” of the Black Sea Fleet, after completion of repairs at the Kronstadt Naval Order of Lenin Plant, will serve as part of the Mediterranean squadron of the Russian Navy,” the agency’s interlocutor said.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/19318383
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B-608 "Mozhaisk" , the Varshavyanka Nº11 received by RuNavy
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