Project 877/636: Kilo class SSK

franco wrote:It is my understanding that they cannot reload Caliber into the torpedo tubes at sea, so 10 or 6 depending on the variant of sub would be the max.

miroslav wrote:While we are on the subject, I was thinking, whats stooping a frigate like the one from Adm. Grigorovic class to launch a submarine version of the Kalibr missile from its torpedo tubes, I don't see any major reasons why it couldn't.

As far as I see the solid fuel booster engine on the Kalibr missile is on while the missile is in the water.

The american design for launching Harpoons from a sub tube relies on a container to house the missiles that is ejected from the tube, once the container break the surface the missiles if fired from it, do they use the same method here?

On the pictures from above, where the missile is loaded into the sub, by examining the image of the actual missiles (close up of the models), that definitely looks like some sort of a container to house the missiles, the nose is not round enough and there in no "gap" between the end of the missile and the begging of the buster engine.  

Any thoughts.

miroslav wrote:Maybe I'm missing something here, if I'm explaining something that's obvious then I apologies.

The sub can carry 18 torpedo sized weapons in its torpedo bay, the Kalibr missile family was made to be the same diameter and as long as a torpedo (mostly) from the start so they can fit into a standard torpedo tube.

The sub has 6 torpedo tubes, this is why they can fire a max of 6 missiles in one salvo, once they fire them they load the second salvo. In the 6 torpedo tubes they can have a mix any 6 weapons that they like, 3 standard torpedo's + 3 land attack Kalibrs or 3 standard torpedo's + 3 anti-sub/anti-ship Kalibrs (for long range).

I don't want to pretend like a know the loading procedure but logic indicates that the loading/reloding into the tube is exactly the same as long as the weapon is made to fit it, again, that was the whole point.

Given this and if money allows it, I would imagine that they only need 1/3 of the total load to be standard torpedo and 2/3 a mix from the Kalibr family.

I have read from several different sources that the Kilo can carry a maximum of 4 or 6 Kalibrs.

Fire At Russia's Vladivostok Submarine Base Sure Doesn't Look Like An "Exercise"

Videos began emerging overnight of what appeared to be a sizable fire on the frigid water at Russia's submarine base in Vladivostok. Three separate angles show thick black smoke rising from a blaze burning among docked Kilo class diesel-electric attack submarines. Shortly after the videos appeared, Russian media said the fire was part of a "damage control exercise" according to the Russian Navy.

Russia's semi-official news outlet TASS quoted the Russian Navy as stating:

"Exercises to extinguish a fire on the pier using imitation were conducted on the territory of the connection of the Pacific Fleet submarines among the personnel... The personnel coped with the [fire] excellent."

It's very hard to imagine that such a training event would include lighting one of your own submarines on fire, or at least igniting a fire right next to a cluster of submarines sitting vulnerable tied up to a pier.

The thick black smoke and the way the surface of the water is burning as seen in the videos makes it look like a diesel fire. Maybe the blaze was touched off during fueling of one of the Kilo class submarines tied-up on the pier, or maybe there was a leak of some kind from the submarine's tanks.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17853/fire-at-russias-vladivostok-submarine-base-sure-doesnt-look-like-an-exercise

hoom wrote:Interesting that British media/RN don't seem to have made a big hoo-hah about it this time
Didn't like being laughed at for making a big deal about escorting intercepting! a sub transiting openly on the surface?

hoom wrote:Curiously Kolpino & Veliky Novgorod still don't appear to have continued past Syria to Sevastopol.
I'm kinda suspecting they will base out of Tartus for a few years.

hoom wrote:Some interesting pics via Balancer

One of the boats for Pacific fleet?

hoom wrote:

Alrosa still not making much progress...
https://2018.f.a0z.ru/04/04-6129085-dsc07870-kopiya.jpg

hoom wrote:There are pics of the new BSF boats tied up in Sevastopol but nothing seeming particularly interesting other than continued absence of the last 2.

I just hope that section is not accessible by crew because that would be scary as hell

What's the story with this one, experimental test bed or something?

Hard to be present when you have to be on call 24/7 in the Mediterranean to "kalibrate" jihadists in Syria...

hoom wrote:.......

Hard to be present when you have to be on call 24/7 in the Mediterranean to "kalibrate" jihadists in Syria...

Thing is the first 4 only hung out off Syria for about a month before moving on to Sevastopol, these two must be close to 6mths.

"There are three options for solving the problem: either returning the boats to the manufacturing plant (Admiralty Shipyards, St. Petersburg), or sending a floating dock to the logistics center of the Russian Navy in Tartu, or docking in one of the friendly countries of the Mediterranean, "he explained.

According to him, "the third option is considered preferable from the point of view of economy of resources and resource of boats and is under consideration, especially since the navies of some countries of the region are armed with submarines of this and similar projects."

Suez canal and go vietnam or india. Or even in Iran

Would be more economic to send a dry dock to Tartus. Because they will Need ne in the next decades there.

"It was designed to transport Varshavyanka- and Lada-class [7FBTK: KILO SS and Petersburg SS] submarines. It will allow us to freely fulfill tasking and transport ships wherever they are needed." Freely – that is, in spite of sanctions. Now submarines, without heading into the open ocean, can travel within the country from the White Sea to the Baltic Sea, from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea, and from there on to the Caspian Sea.