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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:06 am

    Last time it was upgraded/touched was 1996.

    It is sensitive information as it holds encryption data. But it's just old. I mean, now they will be forced to upgrade and change codes/encyptiond but still.

    I still think it's some kind of honeypot.
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    Post  Hole on Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:25 am

    According to some sources the plane was already retired and cannibalized and some new officer didn´t know this and started the whole "scandal".

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    Post  slasher on Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:12 am

    All the same, this break-in and theft isn't good at all and hope the authorities get to the bottom of it quickly and strengthen security for high value assets. Some developments to bear in mind though (nevermind the source).

    https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-55219981

    In May 2019, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko said that research and development work on the modernization of air command posts based on the Il-80 and Il-82 aircraft had been completed in Russia and work had begun on the re-equipment of existing aircraft.

    In October of this year, TASS, citing its source in the aircraft industry, reported that the air command and control points were planned to be transferred from the Il-80 to the Il-96-400M.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:39 am

    Oh, ok. So in other words, the aircraft in question was decommissioned and all work is being done on il-96.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:43 pm

    More controversies: https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/145369-doomsday_plane/

    Perhaps the missing gear was removed before it got to Taganrog.
    That plane could be prepared for new gear or for modification to some other role.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:59 pm

    BTW of the remaining il-80s only one is in flying condition ? (which had been modernized before some years i remember)

    i know that they will be replaced by new platform based on il-96
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:14 pm

    George1 wrote:BTW of the remaining il-80s only one is in flying condition ? (which had been modernized before some years i remember)

    i know that they will be replaced by new platform based on il-96

    Who knows what the heck is happening. This whole thing seems to be a huge mistake of some sort.

    Anyway, this will just push for the development of the replacement.

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    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:17 pm

    That's a useless plane. ICBMs need roughly 30 minutes to fly before they explode. Unless if the president is in the plane when they detect the launch, using it will be impossible because Moscow will be the first target.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:31 pm

    Isos wrote:That's a useless plane.  
    no it's not. tensions will get high well before any ICBMs r used. They may have 1-2 fueled up with crews inside 24/7 just like AD interceptors on alert on USN CVNs. Also, in civil unrest/war/terrorist attack situations it may be useful- on 9/11/01, President Bush stayed in the air for 8 hours on AF1 with poor communications.


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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:18 am

    Nuclear strikes don't come out of the blue, and such plans would come to the ears of spies or people who just don't like the plan and want to break it, so the Russians at times of high tension would move Putin to the plane and have him flying around so he can't be targeted by long range missiles but can still issue commands and receive current information about what is happening.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:07 am

    Il-96 is a better option anyway.

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    Post  Hole on Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:56 am

    There are two modernised Il-80M´s

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    Post  Isos on Thu Dec 10, 2020 7:11 am

    GarryB wrote:Nuclear strikes don't come out of the blue, and such plans would come to the ears of spies or people who just don't like the plan and want to break it, so the Russians at times of high tension would move Putin to the plane and have him flying around so he can't be targeted by long range missiles but can still issue commands and  receive current information about what is happening.

    Actually they come out of the blue. Ocean's blue.

    You don't have a premptive message warning you they will be launched. You just know when they are in the air flying toward you.

    So the president don't have time to go tp the airport from his bunker. Unless if he is already in the plane, it will be useless.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:52 am

    Actually they come out of the blue. Ocean's blue.
    You don't have a premptive message warning you they will be launched.
    FYI, the order for SSBNs will come via TACAMO plane(s) based at Tinker AFB in Oklahoma. Their increased air activity will be detected by space assets.
    Kremlin Sounds Alarm Over 'Doomsday Plane' Robbery

    Even if this plane is useless as a command post, if not given new gear, it still has many hours left & could be repurposed.


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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:44 am

    Actually they come out of the blue. Ocean's blue.

    It has never happened before so we don't know, but, normally we assume neither side will just suddenly go full retard and launch a full strike.

    You don't have a premptive message warning you they will be launched. You just know when they are in the air flying toward you.

    It is a command post aircraft that will manage things... if he is not on it and an attack is detected he will likely go to the nearest safe place and hunker down while the commands for launching will be sent via his suitcase system... the point is that whether he is on the aircraft or not it will be used to manage the fight... it will remain in the air and fly around and keep operating as long as it can making sure everything that can be launched is launched...

    They have special ICBM rockets that don't do anything except climb up high above Russia and transmit launch code signals to all Russian forces in case other communications are damaged or destroyed.

    The Il-80 and any Il-96s converted to the role will be used in the areas they are to command and control Russian forces... whether Putin is on board or not doesn't really matter... he will be in communication with them...

    So the president don't have time to go tp the airport from his bunker. Unless if he is already in the plane, it will be useless.

    He will be flown by helicopter to a nearby airfield the aircraft can operate from if it is believed there is time to do so... if not he goes to a bunker or some secret location and uses his communications equipment in the suitcase that follows him around to launch a response...

    It is most likely that escalation and tensions will lead to an attack rather than just coming without any warning.... in which case he can be moved to places where he can get to the plane when needed...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:07 am

    The Il-80 and any Il-96s converted to the role will be used in the areas they are to command and control Russian forces... 
    as well as IL-82s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRURqg7-W9A
    Unlike the presidential aircraft in the Rossiya fleet, which are essentially VIP versions of standard airliners, the Il-80 is more comprehensively protected against the effects of a nuclear detonation and is a fully integrated part of the command system of the Russian nuclear forces, War Zone reported.
    https://ria.ru/20201026/samolet-sudnogo-dnya-1581159587.html?in=t

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XKiuOyg5X4


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