pure BS. Oh my, Russia is buying mundane things abroad, that must mean it is a total fail. Fail. Fail. Fail. Keep repeating and your
wishes will come true.
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I guess you are right...but somehow I dont see USA letting say Mexican or Brazilian companies get contracts for building stuff that is of national interest.
Because this dry dock is of national interest.
Wont get into the whole Turkey not being a reliable partner and actually being an adversery to Russia in many fields.
What will happen if this dry dock is somehow sabotaged by Turkey?
Be it with significant delays or completing it with inferior materials or specifications...
I thought after the Mistrals fiasco Russian have learned to build sensitive stuff on her own, but guess I was wrong.
This is a civilized bribe, just the same as the Mistral deal used to be.
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ALAMO wrote:First of all, consider the time when this deal was made.
Back in 2008, Russia pushed forward several business cooperative projects with different EU members.
Superjet was built around European, mostly French, parts all along.
Mistrals were built at St. Nazire Chantiers d' Atlantique.
At the time we talk about the shipyard was already owned by Korean STX.
The very same STX, who already cooperated with Russia, and the deal to build Zvezda was just around the corner.
STX is a typical Korean chaebol structure, a giant syndicate that ownes&operates in several different spheres.
They not only have a close to $2bln deal for Zvezda but were building ships for Russian operators, trained the personnel, delivered specialized equipment, for an amount of approx. $4bln.
Functionally four-fold the volume of the Mistral deal.
This used to be a quite complicated combination of interests and goals, but in the end, there was only one loser of this deal.
Koreans get what they wanted, and will cooperate with Russians for years to come, as they do for 30 years now.
Russians get all the technical documentation for Mistral - but this was not a big deal. They are built with civilian register and specs, so you could functionally buy any project of RORO ferry to get about the same result. Still, they were paid for a Sevastopol bow already built and delivered, get compensation from France for the entire project volume, and that was not the end! France repaid the training costs of 400 Russian sailors, repaid the infrastructure upgrades made in Russia to host the Mistrals, and last but not least, had to pay all the expenses of DCSM and St. Nazaire.
The total cost for Paris is calculated at approx. E2bln, which is almost double the initial project volume.
And let us keep in mind the time when that happened. It was done after a sharp devaluation of the ruble, so Russians get back approx. 40% more rubles back than paid
So we may say, that it was France who paid for the new generation of Russian LHDs, and I mean all of them.
The volume of rubels they get back in 2015 is enough to build 4 or more such ships in Russia.
Not a bad deal!
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Scale model of the shipRussian_Patriot_ wrote:In St. Petersburg, the motor ship Viktor Astafyev was laid for navigation on the Yenisei.
The passenger ship Viktor Astafyev was laid down on Friday at the Sredne-Nevsky Shipyard (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) in St. Petersburg, a TASS correspondent reports. This is the second vessel of the A45-90 project.2, which will be used for navigation on the Yenisei, after the Andrey Dubensky laid down last year.
"Exactly one year ago, we started construction of a series of vessels for Krasnoyarsk of the A45-90 project.2. Today we are laying the second vessel of the project - "Viktor Astafyev". We are confident that in 2023 we will already pass the Yenisei on Dubenskoye, and in 2024 - on Viktor Astafyev, " said Vladimir Seredokho, General Director of Sredne-Nevsky Shipyard, at the ship-laying ceremony.
The shipyard under a contract with the State Transport Leasing Company is to build two passenger vessels of the river-sea class: Andrey Dubensky and Viktor Astafyev. Such motor ships are designed to carry 245 passengers over a distance of up to 5 thousand km. The vessels will operate on a socially significant route for the Krasnoyarsk Territory - from Krasnoyarsk to Dudinka and back.
According to the Russian River Register, now the average age of passenger ships on the Yenisei is about 30 years, and the largest (motor ships "Alexander Matrosov" and "Valery Chkalov") - more than 60 years. In September 2019, the private motor ship Maxim Gorky was driven to the Yenisei from the Volga, which began operating tourist flights at the end of July 2020.
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