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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:42 pm

    Indeed... this platform is designed to resist ice so you could anchor it in one location and keep it there for over a year whether the ice remains there or not... if they need to move then they can just recover things sitting on the ice nearby and recover experiments and raise the anchors and move...

    This vessel will have waste management and process facilities too... any sewerage is hopefully processed and anything discharged into the water should be safe and could contribute nutrients to the local environment if processed properly.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:16 am

    GarryB wrote:Indeed... this platform is designed to resist ice so you could anchor it in one location...

    Not exactly

    The idea is for it be frozen in place and then slowly drift with the ice sheet
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    Post  George1 on Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:48 am

    Nevsky shipbuilding and ship repair yard will build two research vessels of project 17050

    December 28th, 23:08
    LLC "Nevsky Shipbuilding and Shiprepairing Plant" (Shlisselburg; part of JSC "United Shipbuilding Corporation") announced that it would build two research vessels of project 17050 for the Federal State Budgetary Scientific Institution All-Russian Research Institute of Fisheries and Oceanography (FGBNU VNIRO ). Project image of a research vessel of project 17050 for the All-Russian Research Institute of Fisheries and Oceanography (c) LLC Nevsky Shipbuilding and Shiprepairing Plant

    In December 2020, Nevsky Shipyard signed a contract for the construction of two research vessels of project 17050 with the All-Russian Research Institute of Fisheries and Oceanography (FSBSI VNIRO).

    The vessels of the project 17050 are designed to carry out complex fishery and oceanographic research. They can take on board 26 crew members and a scientific group. NIS will be equipped with laboratories of hydrobiology and hydrology, an analytical laboratory, and a fish shop. Also, the ship will have two types of STD probes for measuring water parameters: electrical conductivity, temperature and pressure.

    RS class - KM (*) Ice3 (Hull, Machinery) AUT1-ICS EPP ECO DYNPOS-1 Fishing vessel


    Main characteristics:

    Length, m 54
    Width, m 13.6
    Draft, m 6 Speed, knots 14
    Crew, people 26
    Main engine power, kW 3200
    Autonomy, days 20


    In turn, the information and analytical agency IAA PortNews reported:

    LLC Nevsky Shipbuilding and Shiprepairing Plant (Nevsky Shipyard, Leningrad Region, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, USC) won an open tender for the construction of two medium-tonnage research vessels of project 17050, conducted by the All-Russian Research Institute of Fisheries and Oceanography (VNIRO, Moscow), according to the minutes of the meeting of the tender committee published in the materials of the official website of the Unified Information System in the field of procurement.

    The procedure for an open tender in electronic form was declared invalid due to the fact that at the end of the deadline for submitting applications for participation in an open tender in electronic form, only one application was submitted. “On the basis of Clause 3, Part 2, Art. 55.1 of the Federal Law No. 44-FZ to conclude a contract with LLC "NEVSKY CVZ" INN 4706020609, which offered the contract price of 5.892 billion rubles. , in accordance with paragraph 25 h. 1 of Art. 93 of Federal Law No. 44-FZ in accordance with the procedure established by Article 83.2 of Federal Law No. 44-FZ, in connection with the recognition of the application filed by him for participation in an open tender in electronic form complying with the requirements of Federal Law No. 44-FZ and tender documentation, " minutes of the meeting of the tender committee.

    According to the tender documentation, the NIS is designed to carry out complex fisheries and oceanographic studies. The R / V's length is 54 m, width - 13.6 m, maximum speed - 14 knots.

    The vessel will be able to take on board 26 crew members and a scientific group. NIS will be equipped with laboratories of hydrobiology and hydrology, an analytical laboratory, and a fish shop.

    The ships are to be handed over to the customer in November 2022.

    As mentioned in an interview with IAA "IAA" reported Deputy Head of the Federal Agency for Fishery Petr Savchuk, the agency hopes to build three NIS seventh generation 120 m long, and five NIS length of about 70 m. Also in the plans bore the construction of two NICs, up to 40 m.

    From the bmpd indicatethat the technical design of the NIS project 17050 under a separate contract with the Federal State Budgetary Scientific Institution "VNIRO" was developed by JSC Leningrad Shipbuilding Plant Pella (JSC Pella). The basis, apparently, is some kind of foreign project.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4224342.html
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    Post  Scorpius on Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:49 am


    According to the production plan of the Zvezda shipyard, 178 vessels of various classes should be built at the shipyard by 2035.

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    Post  kvs on Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:30 pm



    After the collapse of the USSR, Russia had almost no shipbuilding capacity. Before 1990 it was concentrated in the socialist
    bloc, Ukraine and the Baltic republics. During the 1990s Russia was not building any ships. Even though Russia got 50% of
    Soviet ships, it did not get critical ones such as refrigerated ones, ice class tankers and cargo ships. It did not get key support
    ships in the Black Sea and the Caspian where they went to Ukraine and Azerbaijan. One can properly say that Russia's marine fleet
    and construction capacity were fully gutted.

    Now compare to what happened on Putin's watch since 1999. Russia has established a growing ship building industry making
    most types of ships aside from the largest container carrier types (for now) and is actively developing domestic capability.
    This includes the tankers being built at Zvezda which only have South Korean participation in the initial batch. Going from
    zero to lead pack in this industry in 20 years while recovering from the worst depression seen by any country in the last
    100 years is a spectacular achievement.

    Naturally, the 5th column MSM in Russia tries to piss on this by lying about how the Zvezda tanker construction is some
    trivial assembly of South Korean components even though 50% of the cost of building a ship is after the hull is finished.
    Kommersant and its fellow traitor travelers ignore that the EU has basically lost its market share in world ship construction.
    They also managed to screw over Greece and kill its ship repair business. Any win in Russia is always painted as a fail.
    I think that there is enough historical justification to round up and expel all these "journalist" traitors. If they need to write
    their blood libel fantasy fiction, they can do it from NATzO.



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    Post  kvs on Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:Indeed... this platform is designed to resist ice so you could anchor it in one location and keep it there for over a year whether the ice remains there or not... if they need to move then they can just recover things sitting on the ice nearby and recover experiments and raise the anchors and move...

    This vessel will have waste management and process facilities too... any sewerage is hopefully processed and anything discharged into the water should be safe and could contribute nutrients to the local environment if processed properly.

    Given the number of people it can accommodate this is feasible. They can compost the waste by aerating the toilet outflow instead of
    just collecting. Letting bacteria do the job is more efficient than any chemical solution.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:16 pm

    kvs wrote:

    After the collapse of the USSR, Russia had almost no shipbuilding capacity.   Before 1990 it was concentrated in the socialist
    bloc, Ukraine and the Baltic republics.    During the 1990s Russia was not building any ships.    Even though Russia got 50% of
    Soviet ships, it did not get critical ones such as refrigerated ones, ice class tankers and cargo ships.   It did not get key support
    ships in the Black Sea and the Caspian where they went to Ukraine and Azerbaijan.   One can properly say that Russia's marine fleet
    and construction capacity were fully gutted.  

    Now compare to what happened on Putin's watch since 1999.   Russia has established a growing ship building industry making
    most types of ships aside from the largest container carrier types (for now) and is actively developing domestic capability.
    This includes the tankers being built at Zvezda which only have South Korean participation in the initial batch.   Going from
    zero to lead pack in this industry in 20 years while recovering from the worst depression seen by any country in the last
    100 years is a spectacular achievement.  

    Naturally, the 5th column MSM in Russia tries to piss on this by lying about how the Zvezda tanker construction is some
    trivial assembly of South Korean components even though 50% of the cost of building a ship is after the hull is finished.  
    Kommersant and its fellow traitor travelers ignore that the EU has basically lost its market share in world ship construction.
    They also managed to screw over Greece and kill its ship repair business.   Any win in Russia is always painted as a fail.
    I think that there is enough historical justification to round up and expel all these "journalist" traitors.   If they need to write
    their blood libel fantasy fiction, they can do it from NATzO.  

    So the last 2 ships of the 10 being built will be 100% Russian, and the next 4 dozen or so orders will be fully Russian. This is what I got from the video.

    I dont particularly see a problem either with doing some screw driver assembly of foreign ships. If the ships are needed here and now, and instead of buying them directly from another country, its better to do some assembly and then build the remaining parts yourself. Creates jobs, keeps money and skilled workers in, and creates new investments all the while you get the product you need.

    Liberalists do not understand economy at all. They complain about everything, provide no alternatives other than shit.

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    Post  kvs on Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:26 pm

    The 5th column liberasts are not engaging in honest criticism. As you note, buying foreign products is fully justified and
    that is supposedly what the US-advocated free trade is all about. But all of the sudden Russia localizing foreign ship
    component assembly is a fail. WTF.

    The objective is to create hysteria. Have enough barking critics making noise about something and people start to believe that
    there is a problem where there is none. This is how regime change is boot-strapped. The follow-the-heard reflex of humans is
    a serious intellectual weakness. It is real and that is why you have stage managed fashion trends and PR companies. If people
    think that "their" herd is moving in a certain direction, they reflexively follow. This weakness is exploited during elections by faking
    opinion polls. People really do vote as a herd. The existence of different parties or right-left ideological differences do not nullify
    this fact. There is no law of physics forcing the existence of only one tribe.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:56 pm

    kvs wrote:The 5th column liberasts are not engaging in honest criticism.  As you note, buying foreign products is fully justified and
    that is supposedly what the US-advocated free trade is all about.   But all of the sudden Russia localizing foreign ship
    component assembly is a fail.  WTF.  

    The objective is to create hysteria.   Have enough barking critics making noise about something and people start to believe that
    there is a problem where there is none.   This is how regime change is boot-strapped.   The follow-the-heard reflex of humans is
    a serious intellectual weakness.   It is real and that is why you have stage managed fashion trends and PR companies.   If people
    think that "their" herd is moving in a certain direction, they reflexively follow.   This weakness is exploited during elections by faking
    opinion polls.  People really do vote as a herd.   The existence of different parties or right-left ideological differences do not nullify
    this fact.  There is no law of physics forcing the existence of only one tribe.  


    I would say Russia does a good job of having a counter these people with videos and articles but they need something official and not just something like private youtube groups. There needs to be an active group, big and lots of attention in media, that counters these 5th columnists. It is surprising to me that Russia never really learned its lesson regarding how media works and how it is used against them and how their methods of countering them are rather weak.

    I give props to these youtube groups who do actively destroy the 5th column narrative, but yeah, still work to be done.

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