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    A-235/PL-19 Nudol ABM-ASAT

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    Post  thegopnik on Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:38 pm

    Russians were mocked for using nuclear warheads for interceptors in the past, but they have no idea that the new short range versions are kinetic and the medium and long range are only nuclear.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:57 am

    Yes, I realize that. But in the vacuum of space the size of the fireball will not be very large because of the lack of oxygen.

    Combustion and oxygen have nothing to do with it... a nuclear fire ball is not fuel burning... it is pure energy... you do know the sun is not a few centimetres across don't you?

    The heat transmission in space will actually be worse because there is no air to absorb the heat on its way to the warhead...

    So if a U.S ICBM is carrying let's say 5 warheads, this fireball can destroy 2-3 warheads and some additional decoys , but the remaining 2 or 3 warheads will still survive.

    Single US ICBMs carrying 5 warheads wont only target Moscow. That would be stupid because if that missile failed in flight then Moscow would be safe.

    Standard procedure is to decide how many warheads you will need to hit a target... Moscow is a high priority so they will probably want to hit it with 10-15 warheads because they know there is an ABM system operating there and they need to overwhelm it... so from 15 missiles one warhead will be heading towards Moscow from each missile... the remaining 70 warheads from those 15 missiles will each be targeted at a different target... they might want 4 warheads for Leningrad, so one warhead from each of four of the missiles will be going for Leningrad (hehehe old maps)...

    French and UK missiles will also be targeting Moscow too... and probably Chinese and soon German and Japanese one presumes.

    US warheads manouver small amounts to move onto target... they are not actively trying to evade interception so missing the target by 10m for a kinetic interceptor means a miss and a failure... for for a nuke it is probably too close... save some money and dial down the accuracy or the power of the warhead...
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    Post  kvs on Thu May 07, 2020 7:30 pm



    Yanqui turds want to ban the Nudol.   Even though there are no treaties that would allow them to do this.  bounce

    The current big NATzO naval exercise in the Barents Sea is a pathetic attempt to wave the dick around to frighten
    Russians.   Like Hitler promised to do when he yapped about driving Russians beyond the Urals and putting up giant
    statues of German soldiers to keep them from coming back.  lol1

    A key element of the US ABM "shield" was its planned deployment on ships off of Russia's Arctic coast.   That is
    where they still had a chance to intercept Russian ICBMs during the boost phase.   But the clowns just assumed
    that Russia's 1990s military presence on its Arctic coast would never improve.   Reality has planted a steel-toed
    boot up NATzO's collective ass and Russia has dramatically increased its Arctic coast military presence and
    capability.   Those ABM shield boats will not stay afloat long enough to take out Russian ICBMs.  

    No amount of NATzO naval exercises in the Barents Sea will stop Russia's military development in the Arctic.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri May 08, 2020 12:21 am

    kvs wrote:

    Yanqui turds want to ban the Nudol.   Even though there are not treaties that would allow them to do this.  bounce

    The current big NATzO naval exercise in the Barents Sea is a pathetic attempt to wave the dick around to frighten
    Russians.   Like Hitler promised to do when he yapped about driving Russians beyond the Urals and putting up giant
    statues of German soldiers to keep them from coming back.  lol1

    A key element of the US ABM "shield" was its planned deployment on ships off of Russia's Arctic coast.   That is
    where they still had a chance to intercept Russian ICBMs during the boost phase.   But the clowns just assumed
    that Russia's 1990s military presence on its Arctic coast would never improve.   Reality has planted a steel-toed
    boot up NATzO's collective ass and Russia has dramatically increased its Arctic coast military presence and
    capability.   Those ABM shield boats will not stay afloat long enough to take out Russian ICBMs.  

    No amount of NATzO naval exercises in the Barents Sea will stop Russia's military development in the Arctic.


    The most amusing thing about this is that they're trying their hardest to convince their useful idiot plebs that it's only job is being Anti-Sat! lol1 Nudol is a fully fleshed out 'mobile' ABM, with a range of 3,500km and can cover an area of 7,000km in diameter. It's capable of taking out everything from strategic aircraft (B-1 Lancers, B-2 Spirits, B-52s, AWACs, Dooms Day aircraft), SRBMs and IRBMs, satellites, all the way to ICBMs in mid-course, but will primarily be used to take out short, intermediate, and intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    There is clearly a concerted effort to convince the world that Nudol and S-500 are simply ASAT systems, but the truth is there is no end to the Anti-Sat systems already in Federation service: Tirada-2, Krasukha-2, MiG-31 with Kontakt, Peresvet, probably Murmansk-BM. The ASAT role for the new mobile ABMs are simply ancillary/auxiliary roles, hardly their main roles.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri May 08, 2020 12:50 am

    I'm unsure how they would convince Russia to drop Nudol when it was the US who broke the ABM agreement in first place over the failed GBI system.

    I'm assuming they want to add it to start? Because we all know Russia will laugh and say no.
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    Post  kvs on Fri May 08, 2020 1:44 am

    Since when were ASAT systems "bad".   Do the yanquis expect to have the GPS working during WWIII.   That must be some
    extra fine crack they are smoking.

    And we can see the koolaid guzzling since they think that Russia will yield on such issues.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 09, 2020 7:46 am

    During the cold war the obvious method to bring them to the table would be to put Pershing IIs in Turkey where they are very close so their flight time to Moscow would be less than ten minutes, so defence and retaliation decisions would need to be taken in 3 minutes or less to actually have time to be acted on.

    These days they could base their missiles in Ukraine it wouldn't help because the Russians have the defensive missiles and systems to stop most of them and they could then retaliate any way they like...

    Their problem is probably that up until now they thought they could just send AEGIS class cruisers to the arctic ocean to shoot down all those Russian ICBMs and have more AEGIS cruisers on either US coastline shooting down cruise missiles and SLBMs and anything else that wanders in to the line of fire... but now after having a chance to try it they realise it wont work. MiG-31s with Kinzhal can destroy their AEGIS ships in the arctic ocean and extended range Iskanders which are now permitted with the removal of the INF treaty could also deal with a lot of these ships too, not to mention the Russian subs they can no longer reliably detect...

    They will be in a panic right now...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:50 pm


    Another test of Nudol ASAT was carried out

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2020/04/a_test_of_nudol_direct-ascent.shtml
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    Post  dino00 on Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:31 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Another test of Nudol ASAT was carried out

    http://russianforces.org/blog/2020/04/a_test_of_nudol_direct-ascent.shtml

    It's from April
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    Post  Sujoy on Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:16 pm

    Defense contractor says A-235 Nodol anti-ballistic missile and anti-satellite system will have both nuclear and conventional warhead options.

    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2020/06/19/13123189.shtml

    I suspect that the conventional warhead is required because the effect of nuclear diminishes in the exo domain so nuclear will not have a major advantage over hit-to-kill.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:01 am

    The real problem is that a nuke set off in space sends a flash that is both intensely bright but also rather hot that could damage satellites in orbit over the interception point.

    The EMP pulse would also effect communications and ability to track targets using radar.

    While the effect of blast will be practically zero in a vacuum the intense light and heat should effect the decoys rather more than the real warheads too, but having said that I rather suspect the tactic will be that any large group of incoming targets (warheads and decoys) could be engaged with a nuclear armed weapon which will destroy many of the warheads and damage the decoys to the point where they are no longer effective as decoys so the conventionally armed interceptors can then be use against any warheads revealed as warheads.

    In five years time the defence will be even better because warheads flying past S-400 and S-500 batteries could also be intercepted on their way to other targets so incoming weapons that need to fly over defended areas will have their missile numbers whittled down on the way too.

    I mean the first country to have a real unified IADS and ABM weapons actually capable of doing the job of Star Wars will be Russia... and when the Americans think they can leap ahead with space based systems then Russia will add those capabilities to their existing system and make it even more capable...

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:42 am

    It is possible that the kinetic interceptor will also be the final stage of the Nudol missile.

    Nudol will be a classic dueling version of a long-range intercept missile defense system. There is reason to believe that the following three circumstances were taken into account in the tactical and technical task for the development of a new system.

    Firstly, the new system should be capable of non-nuclear interception, since the previously developed anti-missiles were mainly with a special warhead, which sharply reduced the scope of their possible use. The use of a missile with a special charge actually means the beginning of a nuclear war.

    Secondly, the system must be transportable, that is, not tied to any object or center. Most likely, Nudol has the ability to transport and deploy to a theater of operations and is located on multi-axle wheeled conveyors.

    Thirdly, the system must ensure the interception of a ballistic target or spacecraft at an altitude of at least 500-750 km and at least 700-800 km in range, that is, in near space. In other words, Nudol must have the ability to destroy low-orbit spacecraft.

    Test launches of the A-235 Nudol missile defense system have been carried out, as far as is known, since 2014 from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome in the Arkhangelsk Region.

    The missile defense for Nudoli is uniquely two-stage and solid fuel. At present, Russia has developed new formulations of high-energy mixed formulations of solid rocket fuel. The anti-missile launch from the transport and launch container will be carried out using a powder pressure accumulator, then the first stage solid propellant rocket engine will be launched, then the second stage, and the combat stage at the final section will be guided by shunting engines (according to various sources, or solid propellant rocket engine, or liquid rocket engine). The launch weight of the missile defense is about 10 tons.

    The developed Nudol missile defense system has an order of magnitude better performance than the A-135 Amur missile defense system, developers say. This is a completely new system based on a new element base with very promising features.

    With the completion of the full deployment of the missile attack warning system (including the space echelon) and the adoption of the promising Nudol missile defense system, Russia will regain the positions that were largely lost in the 1990s - Moscow will be able to control outer space from all directions and will have the ability to conduct anti-satellite combat in near space.


    The Nudol system (14Ts033), presumably, includes a command and computing point (KVP) 14P078, a multifunctional guidance radar, a 14P222 launcher with 14A042 missiles in transport and launch containers, a complex of communications equipment and missile maintenance facilities.

    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2020/06/19/13123189.shtml

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