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    A-235/PL-19 Nudol ABM-ASAT

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    Post  thegopnik on Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:38 pm

    Russians were mocked for using nuclear warheads for interceptors in the past, but they have no idea that the new short range versions are kinetic and the medium and long range are only nuclear.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:57 am

    Yes, I realize that. But in the vacuum of space the size of the fireball will not be very large because of the lack of oxygen.

    Combustion and oxygen have nothing to do with it... a nuclear fire ball is not fuel burning... it is pure energy... you do know the sun is not a few centimetres across don't you?

    The heat transmission in space will actually be worse because there is no air to absorb the heat on its way to the warhead...

    So if a U.S ICBM is carrying let's say 5 warheads, this fireball can destroy 2-3 warheads and some additional decoys , but the remaining 2 or 3 warheads will still survive.

    Single US ICBMs carrying 5 warheads wont only target Moscow. That would be stupid because if that missile failed in flight then Moscow would be safe.

    Standard procedure is to decide how many warheads you will need to hit a target... Moscow is a high priority so they will probably want to hit it with 10-15 warheads because they know there is an ABM system operating there and they need to overwhelm it... so from 15 missiles one warhead will be heading towards Moscow from each missile... the remaining 70 warheads from those 15 missiles will each be targeted at a different target... they might want 4 warheads for Leningrad, so one warhead from each of four of the missiles will be going for Leningrad (hehehe old maps)...

    French and UK missiles will also be targeting Moscow too... and probably Chinese and soon German and Japanese one presumes.

    US warheads manouver small amounts to move onto target... they are not actively trying to evade interception so missing the target by 10m for a kinetic interceptor means a miss and a failure... for for a nuke it is probably too close... save some money and dial down the accuracy or the power of the warhead...
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    Post  kvs on Thu May 07, 2020 7:30 pm



    Yanqui turds want to ban the Nudol.   Even though there are no treaties that would allow them to do this.  bounce

    The current big NATzO naval exercise in the Barents Sea is a pathetic attempt to wave the dick around to frighten
    Russians.   Like Hitler promised to do when he yapped about driving Russians beyond the Urals and putting up giant
    statues of German soldiers to keep them from coming back.  lol1

    A key element of the US ABM "shield" was its planned deployment on ships off of Russia's Arctic coast.   That is
    where they still had a chance to intercept Russian ICBMs during the boost phase.   But the clowns just assumed
    that Russia's 1990s military presence on its Arctic coast would never improve.   Reality has planted a steel-toed
    boot up NATzO's collective ass and Russia has dramatically increased its Arctic coast military presence and
    capability.   Those ABM shield boats will not stay afloat long enough to take out Russian ICBMs.  

    No amount of NATzO naval exercises in the Barents Sea will stop Russia's military development in the Arctic.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri May 08, 2020 12:21 am

    kvs wrote:

    Yanqui turds want to ban the Nudol.   Even though there are not treaties that would allow them to do this.  bounce

    The current big NATzO naval exercise in the Barents Sea is a pathetic attempt to wave the dick around to frighten
    Russians.   Like Hitler promised to do when he yapped about driving Russians beyond the Urals and putting up giant
    statues of German soldiers to keep them from coming back.  lol1

    A key element of the US ABM "shield" was its planned deployment on ships off of Russia's Arctic coast.   That is
    where they still had a chance to intercept Russian ICBMs during the boost phase.   But the clowns just assumed
    that Russia's 1990s military presence on its Arctic coast would never improve.   Reality has planted a steel-toed
    boot up NATzO's collective ass and Russia has dramatically increased its Arctic coast military presence and
    capability.   Those ABM shield boats will not stay afloat long enough to take out Russian ICBMs.  

    No amount of NATzO naval exercises in the Barents Sea will stop Russia's military development in the Arctic.


    The most amusing thing about this is that they're trying their hardest to convince their useful idiot plebs that it's only job is being Anti-Sat! lol1 Nudol is a fully fleshed out 'mobile' ABM, with a range of 3,500km and can cover an area of 7,000km in diameter. It's capable of taking out everything from strategic aircraft (B-1 Lancers, B-2 Spirits, B-52s, AWACs, Dooms Day aircraft), SRBMs and IRBMs, satellites, all the way to ICBMs in mid-course, but will primarily be used to take out short, intermediate, and intercontinental ballistic missiles.

    There is clearly a concerted effort to convince the world that Nudol and S-500 are simply ASAT systems, but the truth is there is no end to the Anti-Sat systems already in Federation service: Tirada-2, Krasukha-2, MiG-31 with Kontakt, Peresvet, probably Murmansk-BM. The ASAT role for the new mobile ABMs are simply ancillary/auxiliary roles, hardly their main roles.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri May 08, 2020 12:50 am

    I'm unsure how they would convince Russia to drop Nudol when it was the US who broke the ABM agreement in first place over the failed GBI system.

    I'm assuming they want to add it to start? Because we all know Russia will laugh and say no.
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    Post  kvs on Fri May 08, 2020 1:44 am

    Since when were ASAT systems "bad".   Do the yanquis expect to have the GPS working during WWIII.   That must be some
    extra fine crack they are smoking.

    And we can see the koolaid guzzling since they think that Russia will yield on such issues.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 09, 2020 7:46 am

    During the cold war the obvious method to bring them to the table would be to put Pershing IIs in Turkey where they are very close so their flight time to Moscow would be less than ten minutes, so defence and retaliation decisions would need to be taken in 3 minutes or less to actually have time to be acted on.

    These days they could base their missiles in Ukraine it wouldn't help because the Russians have the defensive missiles and systems to stop most of them and they could then retaliate any way they like...

    Their problem is probably that up until now they thought they could just send AEGIS class cruisers to the arctic ocean to shoot down all those Russian ICBMs and have more AEGIS cruisers on either US coastline shooting down cruise missiles and SLBMs and anything else that wanders in to the line of fire... but now after having a chance to try it they realise it wont work. MiG-31s with Kinzhal can destroy their AEGIS ships in the arctic ocean and extended range Iskanders which are now permitted with the removal of the INF treaty could also deal with a lot of these ships too, not to mention the Russian subs they can no longer reliably detect...

    They will be in a panic right now...

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