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    China's development as a superpower

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 07, 2023 5:41 am

    The clown show is resulting in no one being hired because there are no trannies and females making applications for these military pilot jobs.
    This is the problem with woke nonsense. It is detached from reality and tries to foist some perverse fantasy on society.

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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:49 am

    Off Topic but for now I would like to put it in here

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-says-may-take-china-wto-over-fukushima-driven-seafood-import-ban-2023-08-29/

    Japan threatened on Tuesday to take China to the World Trade Organization (WTO) to seek a reversal of Beijing's ban on all of its seafood imports after the release of treated radioactive water from the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

    The minister said the government was gathering information on the reports of movements to boycott Japanese products in China and would work with business leaders to address the situation.

    Japan is also conducting interviews with local travel agencies to gather information about the status of travel to Japan from China after media reports that some Japan-bound tours have been cancelled.

    "Some travel agencies responded that they had received cancellation requests while others said they had received inquiries about the safety of food and beverages, and the possibility of postponing or cancelling tours," Japan's Land Minister Tetsuo Saito told reporters.

    The move came after China earlier this month lifted pandemic-era restrictions on group tours for Japan and other key markets.

    Comments from netizens wrote:- So it is OK to apply ban and sanctions on Russia and China but it is not OK to apply these to the colleagues of Western world ?

    - How about the Chinese government does not ban but the Chinese people boycott Japanese goods ? It will be even more humiliating.

    - China uses the food safety and health concerns as the reason, in principle WTO can hardly do anything about that. Even if things were taken to WTO, China is still able to protect its decision.


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    Post  sepheronx Wed Aug 30, 2023 6:57 am

    Aren't there ban on electronics or certain ones to China? If so, China can counter sue for a lot more.

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    Post  Broski Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:37 am

    sepheronx wrote:Aren't there ban on electronics or certain ones to China? If so, China can counter sue for a lot more.
    The WTO, like any international organization based in the West, has long outlived its usefulness.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 08, 2023 12:27 am

    The power of the US to monitor telecoms and computers worldwide is slipping through its hands.

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    Saudi Arabia has signed up for a massive cloud data center built by… Huawei.

    It will provide all cloud computing services, including AI.

    China will train 200,000 Saudis as developers.

    No need for Amazon AWS or US spying!

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:52 am

    They have some very impressive technology that they have developed and not stolen as the US would love everyone to think...

    The fact that the US got all its western bitches to ban their technology suggests the US has no backdoor easy way to read traffic on that hardware so they don't want widespread use of it...

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 08, 2023 11:33 pm

    The US is proud that they beat the Chinese at mathematics. This is the team Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 14, 2023 12:17 am

    Part of becoming a superpower is the opportunity to kick ebbing superpowers with impunity Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:36 am

    Part of becoming a superpower is the opportunity to kick ebbing superpowers with impunity

    What a great speech that gentleman made and what a shame that western governments will totally ignore him because Britain doesn't see it as Britain vs China, they see it as the west which Britain is a part of but the US leads and it is the US who sees China as a rival as a threat to their dominance of the planet and Britain is just being the good little bitch doing as the US demands and pointing at China and saying you are the bad guys.

    The US is also doing it to Australia and Japan and the rest of the west and it is also trying to do that to India.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Sep 14, 2023 9:37 pm

    @Garry:

    https://www.rt.com/news/582979-maduro-china-english-banished/

    Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro brushed off a question asked in English at the end of his visit to Beijing, telling the reporter to speak Chinese instead.

    “Speak Mandarin, there’s no English interpreter,” Maduro cut off a reporter from Hong Kong. “It’s a new world!” he added. The exchange was captured on video and quickly made rounds on social media.

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:36 am

    @Garry:

    https://www.shine.cn/news/nation/2309211066/

    Xi'an Jiaotong University scraps English proficiency tests for graduation

    Xi'an Jiaotong University announced it will no longer use the results of College English Tests as a requirement for degree awards, sparking a heated debate among netizens.


    A notice from Xi'an Jiaotong University, one of China's top universities located in the northwest Shannxi Province, showed that starting from September 1, 2023, the university would not use the results of the CET-4 and CET-6, school-based English proficiency tests, and other off-campus English proficiency exams as requirements for graduation and awarding bachelor's degrees.

    The decision was made in the fifth undergraduate academic council in 2023, according to the notice.

    In recent years, many universities have announced that the award of their degrees is no longer linked to the results of the CET-4 and CET-6.

    The news sparked intense debate on social media, with some supporting the move, saying that English proficiency should be linked to students' majors rather than being a general requirement for all.

    Others opposed decoupling the English exams from degree awards, arguing that it showed a lack of emphasis on English language education, lowered the graduation threshold, and undermined the cultivation of high-quality personnel in all respects.

    However, Xiong Bingqi, the director of the 21st Century Education Research Institute, told Dahe Daily that the universities' decision was not a sign of devaluing English education but a move away from exam-oriented English teaching. English teaching should return to the original goal of improving English proficiency rather than merely achieving good exam results, Xiong said.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:54 pm

    No superpower flies to an enemy state to get called a dictator lol

    China has a lot to learn

    They have built up a lot of capability, but lack a lot of courage
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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:07 am


    They have built up a lot of capability, but lack a lot of courage

    The west mistook Putins respect and common sense for weakness and look at where they are now.

    China does not need to become a bully that the west is to become a super power.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:51 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:No superpower flies to an enemy state to get called a dictator lol

    China has a lot to learn

    They have built up a lot of capability, but lack a lot of courage
    The Chinese have a principle of having no principles. You don't need courage if you don't stand for anything.

    Their desired end state is a luxury cruise ship without a rudder. Destination: absolutely fucking nowhere - but done in style and comfort.

    A dead end.

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:29 pm

    That does not make sense for any society not undergoing terminal rot like the USA and its NATzO colonies which only have the appearance of being rudderless.
    Direction emerges automatically and is always about the self-interest of the elites. There is no society where there is no hierarchy and no society where a
    hierarchy acts like a collection of monks. The rotting western "exceptionalists" are in a frenzy trying to maintain a direction but they have bitten off way
    more than they can chew with their ambition to run the planet like a plantation. They have failed to temper their ambitions and have taken the foundation
    on which they rest for granted and assumed they can turn their populations into piles of idiots to get more power. This is like sawing the branch on which
    you sit.

    The Chinese elites are not as insane and have lower expectations. But I see them achieving vastly more, ironically. Truly investing in the developing world
    as opposed to gang raping it on a regular basis is clearly the superior option for long term prosperity. Of course, every society has a life cycle and good times
    bring them down. But this is not a concern for the developing world in the next 50 years or more. The demographic decline in China can be remedied with
    offshoring production just like in the case of the precious west. So China will raise the standard of living of people abroad. This demographic decline is
    actually a good thing since 1.4 billion people crammed into a fraction of China's territory that is not desert and mountain is not a good thing.

    All the hate for China from its neighbours is a product of local comprador elites fellating Uncle Scumbag. Funny how they are all so worried about Chinese
    domination while getting reamed by the US. This is the same mental disease as in eastern Europe where all the whinging ninnies are afraid of Russia for
    no good reason while eagerly serving as US butt monkeys. If these ninnies cracked open western history books (biased already) they would see a clear
    pattern of Russian reaction and not aggression. They were always part of the horde attacking Russia first. Over and over. China never colonized the
    Philippines unlike the yanquis but you would think that yanquis were some sort of liberators from Chinese oppression. This limitrophe syndrome is rampant
    all around China's periphery just like it is around Russia. The colonized love the colonizer for some reason. Must be a collective Stockholm syndrome of
    some sort.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:10 pm

    The West invests and offshores too - how else do you think China's economy was turbocharged? But yet you praise China and damn the West for doing the same thing. How does that even make sense?

    And what difference does it make if China builds roads and schools and hospitals, when they won't even lift a finger to prevent the US and friends from bombing the damn country in the first place? They won't even stop selling the parts to make those same bombs but they have a trade embargo in a hot minute when someone hurts their wittle feelings. Razz

    So no, in practice China has zero complaints regarding the way the US tries to run the planet. They just hate it when their money gets disturbed. Otherwise, they are as happy as a clam.


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    Post  GarryB Sun Nov 19, 2023 1:22 am

    China is not the worlds police and couldn't actually stop the US from bombing anywhere it pleases... we know vetoes at the UN can stop anything being passed but since when has the west let that stop them do anything at all... when they know it wont get through the UNSC they don't even try and mount a coalition of the idiots to do it anyway.

    I think it is hilarious... previously China was a great source of silk and all sorts of things the west wanted but the west had nothing to sell to them in return so they came up with the brilliant idea of selling them opium and all the social problems that creates... and the west fucked them over like that for a long time... well now the shoe is on the other foot and China is exporting fentanyl to the US which is the main cause of death in the US amongst 21 to 50 year olds there, and it is causing all sorts of social problems that having large numbers of medicated people on your payroll can create... the British must be laughing behind their backs at the current situation really.

    BTW I am not suggesting the Chinese or the Russians are saints, but we know from experience the US and UK and EU are evil and selfish.... BRICS is about helping each other through open trade and development and investment in solving problems... China is not telling everyone... this is how we fixed our economy and this is how you have to do it too. They are actually saying we had these problems and we tried all these things to fix it and this didn't work and this made it worse but this seemed to work for us... but you might have a different situation and different problems and so learn from what we learned and see if you can help yourself with your own problems too... the total opposite of the west who are more interested in taking over the soft drink industry and embedding their fast food consumerism culture to replace your culture... and get you all fat so they can sell expensive diabetes medication for life.

    What really annoys me is when I talk to a pro UK or pro US person who lose it when I talk about all the problems and destruction those countries and their lackies have caused and they say, well it would be a whole lot worse if Russia or China was in charge... completely missing the whole point that they don't want to be in charge... they don't want to replace the US as the worlds only super power so they control everything and dictate to everyone what they can or cannot do, mostly they just want to be left alone, but the west wont leave them alone and try to control them and steal from them every chance they get... and they do the same with everyone else, which is why having nobody in charge is actually the best solution... which is what BRICS is all about.

    The west invests in itself... it might pave the road from the airport to the diamond mines but it doesn't build schools cause those damn kids would get an education and move away and find a good job, when they want them down the mines finding valuables they can sell at an enormous profit. They don't need hospitals either because if one gets sick or injured there plenty of other kids to take their place in the mines.

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    Post  kvs Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:26 am

    GarryB wrote:
    What really annoys me is when I talk to a pro UK or pro US person who lose it when I talk about all the problems and destruction those countries and their lackies have caused and they say, well it would be a whole lot worse if Russia or China was in charge... completely missing the whole point that they don't want to be in charge... they don't want to replace the US as the worlds only super power so they control everything and dictate to everyone what they can or cannot do, mostly they just want to be left alone, but the west wont leave them alone and try to control them and steal from them every chance they get... and they do the same with everyone else, which is why having nobody in charge is actually the best solution... which is what BRICS is all about.

    This is normal for the average ignorant sap.  Russia and China never ran colonial plantations.   The west did nothing but sail around the globe and impose colonial rule
    with lots of genocide to get its way.   I see these ignorant clowns claim Russia and the USSR had colonies.   They have no clue what a colony is, then.   Colonies are
    all about net transfer of wealth to the colonizers and not vice versa.   Every single republic in the USSR was raised up.   This makes the hate and resentment from these
    "former colonies" like the Baltics so insane.   China simply had no colonies at all.   Tibet is not a colony and was part of China in the past.   You can see today that
    China and Russia do not engage in western style colonialist parasite business models.   Russia is building nuclear power plants in the developing world for sane prices.
    China is investing in infrastructure as well.   There is no load-them-up-with-debt racket through financing of local parasitical elites that sell their countries down the river.

    Russia was subjected to a brazen colonial oppression campaign by the US and its minions during the 1990s.   Yet these sanctimonious clowns bleat about Russian tyranny.  
    Get f*cked and die, vermin.

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:14 am

    GarryB wrote:What really annoys me is when I talk to a pro UK or pro US person who lose it when I talk about all the problems and destruction those countries and their lackies have caused and they say, well it would be a whole lot worse if Russia or China was in charge...

    Pro-US brainwashed people say: USA is bad but China and Russia is worse.

    Pro-US well-trained scholars from a professional economic think tank say: "evil" China is actually providing better, more affordable, more benevolent proposals than "good" USA.

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    Post  Tolstoy Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:30 pm

    lyle6 wrote:The Chinese have a principle of having no principles. You don't need courage if you don't stand for anything.
    So they even copied their principles from the West.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:36 am

    And if Biden is hoping that the upcoming presidential election in Taiwan will lead to a victory for the pro-independence candidate from the Democrat party, then he could be in for a surprise. It seems that the two anti-independence, pro-China parties, the Kuomintang and People’s Party, are planning to run a single candidate for the presidency and current polls show that such a candidate would win. So that could mean a pro-China president in Taiwan next year.

    Shame the Georgian and Ukrainian governments weren't that smart, they would be in a much better situation now...

    Pro-US well-trained scholars from a professional economic think tank say: "evil" China is actually providing better, more affordable, more benevolent proposals than "good" USA.

    The irony of the article you included with that post is the second part highlighted in blue... essentially if they want to remain relevant they should THINK about changing their lending policies to actually help the emerging economies instead of burying them in debt.

    In other words it is suggesting the IMF actually do what the IMF was intended to do in the first place officially, which was help third world countries develop infrastructure and grow and develop, because what it was actually for... creating a death spiral of debt for poor countries they will never get out of, leading to them giving money to the west and also handing over their independence to western lenders to use and abuse as they see fit.

    The Chinese have a principle of having no principles.

    They do have principles and ethics and standards... but they apply them to their own behaviour and don't ram them down everyone elses throats demanding everyone else conform to rules they use as general guidelines for their own behaviour and actions.

    China wants to make money, and so does Russia, but not 10,000% interest the west makes.

    Mining is just one thing... in the west there is something called ethical coffee, where the idea is you pay a little more for the brand but that company pays the people who own the land in the 3rd world where the coffee is grown a bit more for their coffee beans.

    If the west is so damn civilised and ethical how can there be any need for such a thing... shouldn't all coffee be ethical... shouldn't all sugar and tea and gas and coal all be ethical too? Not if it comes from the third world and not if the west buys it.

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:21 am

    GarryB wrote:Shame the Georgian and Ukrainian governments weren't that smart, they would be in a much better situation now...

    The situation of Tbilisi at the moment is not bad. At least they get rid of the Tie Eater, establish a pragmatic government and achieve peace and stability to focus on economic development.

    GarryB wrote:Mining is just one thing... in the west there is something called ethical coffee, where the idea is you pay a little more for the brand but that company pays the people who own the land in the 3rd world where the coffee is grown a bit more for their coffee beans.

    If the west is so damn civilised and ethical how can there be any need for such a thing... shouldn't all coffee be ethical... shouldn't all sugar and tea and gas and coal all be ethical too? Not if it comes from the third world and not if the west buys it.

    From my point of view, at the end of the day it is the consumer who have to carry the burden, they have to pay a little more so that the Western company can maintain their profit margin, although most of the Western consumers are also belong to the working class and they are increasingly suffering from poverty and malnourishment, especially in UK.

    In short the ethical value of the West is that the company have to get rich and they dump the burden to both the African workers and Western workers.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:56 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Mining is just one thing... in the west there is something called ethical coffee, where the idea is you pay a little more for the brand but that company pays the people who own the land in the 3rd world where the coffee is grown a bit more for their coffee beans.

    If the west is so damn civilised and ethical how can there be any need for such a thing... shouldn't all coffee be ethical... shouldn't all sugar and tea and gas and coal all be ethical too? Not if it comes from the third world and not if the west buys it.

    I totally agree, I always find those thing completely BS

    It is like admitting that they are the scum of the earth but they gave you the possibility to buy from them.

    GarryB wrote:Shame the Georgian and Ukrainian governments weren't that smart, they would be in a much better situation now...

    higurashihougi wrote:
    The situation of Tbilisi at the moment is not bad. At least they get rid of the Tie Eater, establish a pragmatic government and achieve peace and stability to focus on economic development.

    Unfortunately much of the population does not see it that way. It does not help that there is probably a lot of disinformation and propaganda made by the many foreign NGOs that act there.

    Furthermore some of the russians that went to Georgia last year behaved worse than the typical American.
    Some of them even made fun or publicly insulted Georgia in social Media. I do not know if those people were just stupid or they were paid to do that by someone in order to not allow good relationship between the citizens for Russia and Georgia.

    Unfortunately most of Georgians now cannot stand Russia, do not have access to independent media (they could via internet, but don't) and trust the antirussian narrative from the west.

    (Again, they complain for all the betrayals from Russia in the past. If I reasoned like that, as Italian I should hate every french, English and American citizen).

    By the way, China has a large influence in Georgia (even if is not particularly liked by the population) and is responsible for many construction projects.

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    Post  lancelot Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:23 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:The situation of Tbilisi at the moment is not bad. At least they get rid of the Tie Eater, establish a pragmatic government and achieve peace and stability to focus on economic development.
    Their executive government is perfectly ok. It is their foreign passport holding, Paris born, female President that is the problem. Thankfully she has little actual power.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:27 am

    The situation of Tbilisi at the moment is not bad. At least they get rid of the Tie Eater, establish a pragmatic government and achieve peace and stability to focus on economic development.

    But they have hooked their trailer to the west which is running downhill towards a big cliff down to the sea... and you can bet the west will try to turn at the last minute but the risk of the trailers dragging them over the cliff anyway means they will be turning and ditching those trailers before those trailers can respond and by then it is often too late to call for help...

    From my point of view, at the end of the day it is the consumer who have to carry the burden, they have to pay a little more so that the Western company can maintain their profit margin, although most of the Western consumers are also belong to the working class and they are increasingly suffering from poverty and malnourishment, especially in UK.

    But consumer societies can only exist when there is a poor slave labour class making the consumer products. When things were made in the west then western people... western workers had jobs and could afford to live a semi decent life, but now all the work is shipped overseas, no job, but all this advertising for stuff you can't afford... it is torture... imagine being an immigrant from Africa or the middle east going to europe... everyone has nice stuff and all the shops are full of more nice stuff... they all seem to have so much... and they wont let you work till you are a citizen... must be torture...


    In short the ethical value of the West is that the company have to get rich and they dump the burden to both the African workers and Western workers.

    No. The problem is that western company CEOs and shareholders don't give a shit about their workers or their customers... they want the cheapest most disposable workforce to make their products as cheaply as they can so they maximise their profit... and they try to screw everyone they can.

    They shifted production to the third world so they could make cheap stuff even cheaper, but they don't pass the savings on to the customers... they just benefit from a bigger profit margin that goes to bonuses for management and to shareholders... the rich getting richer. The people actually creating the product get the minimum amount the government will let the company pay them... if the government raises the minimum wage the company cuts hours and expects them to do the same job in less time, or they shift production to somewhere that has a much lower minimum wage.

    Greedy bastards.


    Unfortunately much of the population does not see it that way. It does not help that there is probably a lot of disinformation and propaganda made by the many foreign NGOs that act there.

    Yes, just a case of people with money manipulating politicians and media to convince selling out to the west will solve all their problems, or that the evil Russians or evil Chinese will invade and kill you all and steal what you have if you don't have the US to protect you...

    When they ignore facts that prove the people pretending to be the good guys are not actually the good guys they defend them and call for the people revealing the truth to be put in jail... the west is bad but what you don't know (ie Russia or China) is way worse because they will be the same but they are not white and they eat babies and rape women...

    People are stupid.

    Furthermore some of the russians that went to Georgia last year behaved worse than the typical American.
    Some of them even made fun or publicly insulted Georgia in social Media. I do not know if those people were just stupid or they were paid to do that by someone in order to not allow good relationship between the citizens for Russia and Georgia.

    Sounds like the sort of thing the CIA would pay Navalny type people to do to give them a bad name... like Ukrainians using social media to stir up some antisemitism in Russia.

    Unfortunately most of Georgians now cannot stand Russia, do not have access to independent media (they could via internet, but don't) and trust the antirussian narrative from the west.

    Yes, mission accomplished for the west, but really it is only the Georgian people themselves that are going to suffer for this... and for a good time into their future... will they wake up from the American dream? It is up to them, but they have to want to. It is much easier to blame all your problems on your huge neighbour.

    Ironically if they ever learn the truth I bet they will blame the US and the west for leading them away from Russia... it will never be Georgias fault for being so stupid as to believe their lies.

    Everyone is a victim.

    By the way, China has a large influence in Georgia (even if is not particularly liked by the population) and is responsible for many construction projects.

    China is trying to influence the rest of the world by helping with infrastructure projects to gain favour, but they are not idiots... if they build stuff and get contracts and agreements with that country then they will probably continue to invest in that country and help it grow.

    If it builds some roads and bridges and buildings and the locals can't get over the fact that China is the bad guy, well they will stop investing and look to other countries that appreciate them and their investment.

    Investing in infrastructure and building a new economy is a great way to make money... the west seems to have forgotten that because their corruption means their ability to make bridges that don't fall down is weak because of the super cheap materials they use and the experts they don't use to save money.

    A half arsed bridge only lasts ten years and you get to build it again... it is more profitable to be cheap and greedy, and spend the money other companies spend on quality and materials on bribes to get the jobs. The corrupt companies drive the honest companies out of business.

    Their executive government is perfectly ok. It is their foreign passport holding, Paris born, female President that is the problem. Thankfully she has little actual power.

    They were smart enough not to throw themselves under the bus again like they did in 2008 when they thought the west would rescue them no matter what happened.

    Ironically that was about autonomous regions too.

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