Syrian Civil War: News #3

Veterans Today is really not the best source of information. It's way better to follow Al Masdar.

Direct Turkish involvement around Aleppo and Idlib is no secret

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Report from a Syrian Airbase

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Veterans Today is really not the best source of information. It's way better to follow Al Masdar.

How many European nations you know what will dare to fight for their nation sovereignty and Independence the most powerful armies in the world lead by Americans?  let me guess almost NONE? Only Serbia did that..and there were virtually alone and because NATO was failing to crush the Serbian army what they did? They began to bomb civilians ,to pressure Serbia to stop
resisting their hegemony.  

Is not a civil war, Is not a rebels war. Is a NATO hybrid war ,what Syria face not anymore secret of proxy but direct war. Americans do not hide their weapons supply to terrorist , they only hide their armies direct participation in the conflict. They call "Advisors" their forces.. or that are
"volunteers fighting ISIS".  Just recently 6 american drones were shut down in southern syria.
that only US special forces use.. they were kamikaze drones and flying over Syrian Army military bases. Rebels war my ass.  Syria face a NATO major agression to their nation. no different than Lybia Qadafi had to deal. The so called "no fly zone" of NATO to "protect civilians" in Syria we all here know now was in reality to bomb Lybia army and help terrorist to seize control of Lybia and overrun the country.. NATO is doing exactly the same script of Lybia with the difference now that Russia airforce block NATO airforces from easily bombing Syrian army and now is more complex and they avoid it.

Werewolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Rodinazombie wrote:

Neutrality wrote:People throwing a tantrum about SAA's "blunders" just play in the hand of the Western MSM. In their eyes every little town that the rebels capture is strategic. Add more drama please . All it takes is a sober look at what the SAA, together with the VKS, have achieved and you'll get the picture perfectly.

Back to serious discussion. I think quite soon some kind of truce will be reached between the "moderates" and the advancing SAA. The next phase will be combined efforts of cleaning the Syrian territory from ISIS and their branches. All of that in exchange for political power in the future. I think that's what Assad and Putin discussed last time in Moscow.

And what happens when isis is cleared from syria? Are you really going to allow these head chopping 'moderates' into government?

Russia considers AQ, Nusra, Sham and all other inbreds to be in the same package as ISIS.

Lavrov already gave us list of moderate opposition and they all fit the bill. They get to stay all others will be put to the sword.

Kurds will most likely also be considered kosher if for nothing else then to piss of Erdogan...

Any beef the moderates have with Assad later on will have to be sorted out in parlament after elections.

What "list" has Lavrov shown? Can you link it?

I posted it yesterday but forgot where. Go to Sputnik and check ''Lavrov'' or ''Syria'' tag. I'm on a phone now...

Basically load of dudes few heard of before but they are on the ground and willing to play ball as far as Russia is concerned. They are not big but they will be useful, PR wise especially.

sepheronx wrote:You are aware that US has been flying F-22's in Syria, right?

Don't make things up.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

sepheronx wrote:You are aware that US has been flying F-22's in Syria, right?

Don't make things up.

I am not.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/08/15/f-22-kinetic-situational-awareness/

sepheronx wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

sepheronx wrote:You are aware that US has been flying F-22's in Syria, right?

Don't make things up.

I am not.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/08/15/f-22-kinetic-situational-awareness/

More PR for F-22. It was never seen, proofs its Stealthiness!

Werewolf wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

sepheronx wrote:You are aware that US has been flying F-22's in Syria, right?

Don't make things up.

I am not.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/08/15/f-22-kinetic-situational-awareness/

More PR for F-22. It was never seen, proofs its Stealthiness!

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/america-s-f-22-raptor-examining-its-role-over-iraq-syria-1.2479451

CTV is a Canadian news site and quite reliable.

That said, these F-22's didnt change anything as well, those F-15C's are clearly going to be hanger queens or flying around patroling the Turkish airspace for show. As soon as they adventure into Syria, Krashuka-4 would make it ineffective in its intended roll.

T-72B near Palmyra

Werewolf wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

sepheronx wrote:You are aware that US has been flying F-22's in Syria, right?

Don't make things up.

I am not.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/08/15/f-22-kinetic-situational-awareness/

More PR for F-22. It was never seen, proofs its Stealthiness!

It's stealthy alright but stealth is just one small piece of a very big pie.

Only reason F-22s are there is to try to justify their insane price tag...

PapaDragon wrote:



It's stealthy alright but stealth is just one small piece of a very big pie.

Only reason F-22s are there is to try to justify their insane price tag...

PR for sure.

F-22 are only stealthy at certain radar frequencies, some of the older lower frequency radars as used in WWII have no trouble seeing them. F-22 is optimized for defeating much higher-frequency radar. Tracking by heat signature, Schlieren Signature, and passive radar are other options.

sepheronx wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

sepheronx wrote:You are aware that US has been flying F-22's in Syria, right?

Don't make things up.

I am not.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/08/15/f-22-kinetic-situational-awareness/

You are referring to Aviationist and still claiming that you are not making things up?!

Every thing on Aviationist is pure fiction. Referring to fictional accounts is logically equivalent to making things up.


Mods,

I would like to suggest that a temporary ban be given to any user who makes a reference to Aviationist or other gibberish even remotely comparable to Aviationist.

and CTV

Don't like either? 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-18/f-22-s-belated-debut-against-islamic-state-praised-by-commander

http://www.wsj.com/articles/in-syria-pentagons-f-22-fighter-plane-makes-first-combat-appearance-1411477246


Mods, can you give temporary ban to whomever talks nonsense and provides NO links to counter argue but we would have to rely on their word?

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:35,000 foreign fighters is not the same as "35,000 NATO soldiers". It's up to you (and Vann) to prove their existence.

Presence of Hezbollah and IRGC is well known, both of them talk openly of it. Turkish tanks and 35,000 NATO soldiers appear to be as real as the Baltic female snipers.

They are American And European Private contractors dude. Many of them veterans from IRAQ war. They are better than regular NATO army soldiers. As i told you. IF you think Americans don't want to win in Syria and they will take a risk and give away billions in equipment to losers
so that later Russia and Syria army capture easily you are really mistaken.

They might not be 35,000 enlisted NATO army.. But you bet your ass ,at very least 15,000
Professional military soldiers former special forces are in Syria fighting on the side of Rebels.

You can keep hiding your head in the sand.. but NATO is there in Syria ,whether you deny it or not.. they are there under covertly and reports are there since 2012. You problem is that you recently began to discover about Syrian conflict and not been following JOurnalist reports on the ground from Europe as i have been doing since 2011.

120 French Officers & Troops Supporting Syria Rebels Captured  

http://pakconnects.blogspot.com/2012/03/120-french-troops-supporting-syria.html


Many of this people hide under the cover of "journalist" or camera man, when captured ,because no one will believe the are tourist. but you look at their record and they happened to be veterans of IRAQ/Afgan war and to be special forces.  

Since early 2011.. journalist Thierry Meyssan who live in Syria ,have been doing reports almost every week of what happens there and the recent developments and he have been reporting
of French ,British ,Turkey and American soldiers in Syria since 2012.  Syrian army too.
NATO is leading 100% the fighting of ISIS and all other rebels groups.. no single operation
in Syria by the rebels happens that is not coordinated and ordered by their Americans or Gulf Allies sponsors. When you have so called "rebels" using mustard gas in Syria. the question you need to ask is if NATO will be  crazy enough to give lethal weapons to terrorist that could be used against their own allies..or against Israel.. the answer is NO.. There are NATO special forces in the dozen of thousands in Syria and they never upload any video in youtube..neither goes to the front line ,they lead from behind but also fight..

120 french soldiers captured by Syrian army fighting on the side of FSA.. and what France does after they claiming it never happened? the re-open their embassy in damascus and send their ambassador there.. for mysterious reasons..

Major NATO powers is there , period. and they organizing and leading the fighting of rebels.
Only ones that sucks are the people in denial of what happens in Syria. the Syrian army is not fighting civilians that took weapons overnight and became experts.. but real professionals soldiers from NATO ,special forces that use jihadist to cover their fighting.  terrorist also use lots of C4 in their suicide attacks to clear check points.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-4_(explosive)

thats military grade explossives that you can't build in the desert or in a garage. thats NATO explosives. Is a hybrid NATO invasion what Syria face with Rebels terrorist in the front line and
NATO special forces in the rear. .get over this already ,this is not news. Have been happening since 2011. The Biggest mistake people always make when discussing US and NATO created conflicts and wars they create is to underestimate their capabilities to cause damage to their enemies and their determination too win at any cost ,whatever it takes... They are using endless supply of terrorist from Saudi /middle east Jails , offering freedom if they fight in Syria ,and how many thousands of NATO special forces are required to organize 75,000 mercenaries that Russia FSB estimate are the ISIS force fighting in IRAQ and Syria.

Vann7 wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:35,000 foreign fighters is not the same as "35,000 NATO soldiers". It's up to you (and Vann) to prove their existence.

Presence of Hezbollah and IRGC is well known, both of them talk openly of it. Turkish tanks and 35,000 NATO soldiers appear to be as real as the Baltic female snipers.

They are American And European Private contractors dude. Many of them veterans from IRAQ war. They are better than regular NATO army soldiers. As i told you. IF you think Americans don't want to win in Syria and they will take a risk and give away billions in equipment to losers
so that later Russia and Syria army capture easily you are really mistaken.

They might not be 35,000 enlisted NATO army.. But you bet your ass ,at very least 15,000
Professional military soldiers former special forces are in Syria fighting on the side of Rebels.

You can keep hiding your head in the sand.. but NATO is there in Syria ,whether you deny it or not.. they are there under covertly and reports are there since 2012. You problem is that you recently began to discover about Syrian conflict and not been following JOurnalist reports on the ground from Europe as i have been doing since 2011.

120 French Officers & Troops Supporting Syria Rebels Captured  

http://pakconnects.blogspot.com/2012/03/120-french-troops-supporting-syria.html


Many of this people hide under the cover of "journalist" or camera man, when captured ,because no one will believe the are tourist. but you look at their record and they happened to be veterans of IRAQ/Afgan war and to be special forces.  

Since early 2011.. journalist Thierry Meyssan who live in Syria ,have been doing reports almost every week of what happens there and the recent developments and he have been reporting
of French ,British ,Turkey and American soldiers in Syria since 2012.  Syrian army too.
NATO is leading 100% the fighting of ISIS and all other rebels groups.. no single operation
in Syria by the rebels happens that is not coordinated and ordered by their Americans or Gulf Allies sponsors. When you have so called "rebels" using mustard gas in Syria. the question you need to ask is if NATO will be  crazy enough to give lethal weapons to terrorist that could be used against their own allies..or against Israel.. the answer is NO.. There are NATO special forces in the dozen of thousands in Syria and they never upload any video in youtube..neither goes to the front line ,they lead from behind but also fight..

120 french soldiers captured by Syrian army fighting on the side of FSA.. and what France does after they claiming it never happened? the re-open their embassy in damascus and send their ambassador there.. for mysterious reasons..

Major NATO powers is there , period. and they organizing and leading the fighting of rebels.
Only ones that sucks are the people in denial of what happens in Syria. the Syrian army is not fighting civilians that took weapons overnight and became experts.. but real professionals soldiers from NATO ,special forces that use jihadist to cover their fighting.  terrorist also use lots of C4 in their suicide attacks to clear check points.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-4_(explosive)

thats military grade explossives that you can build in the desert or in a garage. that NATO explosives. Is a hybrid NATO invasion what Syria face with Rebels receiving trainning ,advanced weapons , satellite communications and with NATO special forces helping them..get over this already ,this is not news. Have been happening since the first year of war.

Very well said, most people are in denial.

Vann7 wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:35,000 foreign fighters is not the same as "35,000 NATO soldiers". It's up to you (and Vann) to prove their existence.

Presence of Hezbollah and IRGC is well known, both of them talk openly of it. Turkish tanks and 35,000 NATO soldiers appear to be as real as the Baltic female snipers.

They are American And European Private contractors dude. Many of them veterans from IRAQ war. They are better than regular NATO army soldiers. As i told you. IF you think Americans don't want to win in Syria and they will take a risk and give away billions in equipment to losers
so that later Russia and Syria army capture easily you are really mistaken.

They might not be 35,000 enlisted NATO army.. But you bet your ass ,at very least 15,000
Professional military soldiers former special forces are in Syria fighting on the side of Rebels.

You can keep hiding your head in the sand.. but NATO is there in Syria ,whether you deny it or not.. they are there under covertly and reports are there since 2012. You problem is that you recently began to discover about Syrian conflict and not been following JOurnalist reports on the ground from Europe as i have been doing since 2011.

120 French Officers & Troops Supporting Syria Rebels Captured  

http://pakconnects.blogspot.com/2012/03/120-french-troops-supporting-syria.html


Many of this people hide under the cover of "journalist" or camera man, when captured ,because no one will believe the are tourist. but you look at their record and they happened to be veterans of IRAQ/Afgan war and to be special forces.  

Since early 2011.. journalist Thierry Meyssan who live in Syria ,have been doing reports almost every week of what happens there and the recent developments and he have been reporting
of French ,British ,Turkey and American soldiers in Syria since 2012.  Syrian army too.
NATO is leading 100% the fighting of ISIS and all other rebels groups.. no single operation
in Syria by the rebels happens that is not coordinated and ordered by their Americans or Gulf Allies sponsors. When you have so called "rebels" using mustard gas in Syria. the question you need to ask is if NATO will be  crazy enough to give lethal weapons to terrorist that could be used against their own allies..or against Israel.. the answer is NO.. There are NATO special forces in the dozen of thousands in Syria and they never upload any video in youtube..neither goes to the front line ,they lead from behind but also fight..

120 french soldiers captured by Syrian army fighting on the side of FSA.. and what France does after they claiming it never happened? the re-open their embassy in damascus and send their ambassador there.. for mysterious reasons..

Major NATO powers is there , period. and they organizing and leading the fighting of rebels.
Only ones that sucks are the people in denial of what happens in Syria. the Syrian army is not fighting civilians that took weapons overnight and became experts.. but real professionals soldiers from NATO ,special forces that use jihadist to cover their fighting.  terrorist also use lots of C4 in their suicide attacks to clear check points.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-4_(explosive)

thats military grade explossives that you can't build in the desert or in a garage. thats NATO explosives. Is a hybrid NATO invasion what Syria face with Rebels terrorist in the front line and
NATO special forces in the rear. .get over this already ,this is not news. Have been happening since 2011.  The Biggest mistake people always make when discussing US and NATO created conflicts and wars they create is to underestimate their capabilities to cause damage to their enemies and their determination too win at any cost ,whatever it takes... They are using endless supply of terrorist from Saudi /middle east Jails , offering freedom if they fight in Syria ,and how many thousands of NATO special forces are required to organize 75,000 mercenaries that Russia FSB estimate are the ISIS force fighting in IRAQ and Syria.

What interests me, is how are nato hiding their losses? Lets say 50 nato soldiers are dying per month, the majory of those would be american, so how are the americans hiding the loss of 25-30 soldiers per month? Nato losses in syria would be higher than the iraq and afghanistan wars combined, yet somehow they havent been noticed. How is this possible?

Is the government using mind control on the families of the dead soldiers in order to make them forget they had a son? But what about their friends too? This must be a huge operation to keep it so secret that nobody knows. The operation to keep their forces secret on the ground is also pretty impresive too, you say they lead from the rear (?) and fight, yet dont appear on any videos. Thats awesome how in a war where everyone has a camera or a phone, these guys are good! Whether its 12,000, 15,000 or 35,000 as you claim thats a lot of troops, a lot of supplies to keep secret that must be very hard to hide. Suprising that russia hasnt released any sat photos really.

By the way, on the one hand you say that the syrian army is not fighting civilians bit professional soldiers, then you say that the nato soldiers are in the rear and that the rest are people released from jail given the choice to fight for freedom, so which is it?

Oh, and with regards to nato not giving chemical weapons, ahem, just remind me who it was that sold chemical weapons to saddam hussein again? Or was the iraqi chemical weapons attacks actually carried out by nato special forces?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

sepheronx wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

sepheronx wrote:You are aware that US has been flying F-22's in Syria, right?

Don't make things up.

I am not.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/08/15/f-22-kinetic-situational-awareness/

You are referring to Aviationist and still claiming that you are not making things up?!

Every thing on Aviationist is pure fiction. Referring to fictional accounts is logically equivalent to making things up.


Mods,

I would like to suggest that a temporary ban be given to any user who makes a reference to Aviationist or other gibberish even remotely comparable to Aviationist.

Bit too sweeping a comment methinks. Most of what they put out seems to be completely non controversial and entirely factual.

I linked to that site yesterday regarding the arrival in Turkey of 6 F-15C from Lakenheath. Is that fictional? Or that a couple of Italian pilots have just flown a F-35?

Rodinazombie wrote:
What interests me, is how are nato hiding their losses? Lets say 50 nato soldiers are dying per month, the majory of those would be american, so how are the americans hiding the loss of 25-30 soldiers per month? Nato losses in syria would be higher than the iraq and afghanistan wars combined, yet somehow they havent been noticed. How is this possible?

Is the government using mind control on the families of the dead soldiers in order to make them forget they had a son? But what about their friends too? This must be a huge operation to keep it so secret that nobody knows. The operation to keep their forces secret on the ground is also pretty impresive too, you say they lead from the rear (?) and fight, yet dont appear on any videos. Thats awesome how in a war where everyone has a camera or a phone, these guys are good! Whether its 12,000, 15,000 or 35,000 as you claim thats a lot of troops, a lot of supplies to keep secret that must be very hard to hide. Suprising that russia hasnt released any sat photos really.

By the way, on the one hand you say that the syrian army is not fighting civilians bit professional soldiers, then you say that the nato soldiers are in the rear and that the rest are people released from jail given the choice to fight for freedom, so which is it?

Oh, and with regards to nato not giving chemical weapons, ahem, just remind me who it was that sold chemical weapons to saddam hussein again? Or was the iraqi chemical weapons attacks actually carried out by nato special forces?

There is no way that there are thousands of NATO special forces in Syria or anywhere else. In the UK the only soldiers we would regard as 'special forces' are probably the SAS and SBS and although the numbers are classified there must be less than 1000 and we probably have the second highest number in NATO. So, even including the US, there are just not that number in existence. They are called 'special' for a reason.

The next level down here will specialists from the Marines or Paras and there is no way that hundreds, let alone thousands could 'vanish' into an operation without it at least gaining some publicity. Anyway, with the cutbacks across NATO there is some doubt as to how many actual frontline troops they can generate in public, let alone secret.

Thousands of untrained volunteers yes, thousands of ex-non NATO military and hardened fighters yes, dozens of US/NATO special forces 'advisors' yes, lots more US/NATO in command centres yes, hundreds of ex US/NATO mercs yes, but thousands or even hundreds of actual NATO troops is just not possible.[/quote]

GarryB wrote:I will not ban someone for their opinion no matter what it is.

But you should put some limits to the conspiracy nonsense presented as fact.

whir wrote:

GarryB wrote:I will not ban someone for their opinion no matter what it is.

But you should put some limits to the conspiracy nonsense presented as fact.

To be fair, who are we to judge what it and what isnt conspiracy theory?

Let people post whatever they believe as long as its not offensive or threatening violence, but if they are posting such things they should expect to be shot down unless they can back it up with facts and reliable sources.

I dont agree with banning such people, as amongst every conspiracy there are grains of truth and little gems of information. Its up to other people to either refute their arguments or just ignore them, but banning them and acting like certain other forums isnt the answer.

GarryB wrote:
This is not a democracy and I will not be pressured or threatened to ban anyone
GarryB

On the contrary, it is a democracy, and what makes it such is that all views are catered for and discussed. Should you start banning people for their views, then it moves from being a democracy to a thought police dictatorship that we are all familiar with elsewhere.

nice article from RT on the Syrian Air Force, although no mention of the Su-17/22 which it should have included.

https://www.rt.com/news/321151-syrian-airforce-hama-base/


i have always been a big fan of the Mig-21 (especially upgraded versions).

I hear a lot people put down the Syrian armed forces, simply because they have a few failures now and then, but people forget just how long they have been fighting for and the hardships they face from the stress of the battle field, lost loved ones, and seeing their people and country being destroyed. This would be extremely tough for anyone, and any forces throughout the world. USA, and western armed forces have never been involved in this kind of conflict since WW2, when the Nazi's invaded Europe although this was still a different kind of warfare. But no armed forces has had to endure what the Syrian armed forces have had to deal with, even if your not a fan of them you have to give them credit and praise for defending there country from terrorists who have been given backing from rich powerful nations around the globe. The Syrian armed forces have shown national pride and determination and people have the cheek to put them down i ask anyone on here have they been put in the same situation? have they but locked in a 4+yrs war, seen their country in ruins and lost loved ones, where the only options are to either to live life under ISIS and islamic extremists, flee your country and not knowing if you will find anywhere to live or even make it their alive, or stand fight for your country, the Syrian armed forces are doing the latter, and i say well done them, and i hope they win this war i really do.

Pictures from the Syrian Air Force... note the home made aviation bombs;
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://warfiles.ru/show-99487-horoshie-foto-i-video-siriyskih-mig-23mld.html&usg=ALkJrhiaEmd9YJ3SpKsY_HredWdYUQT0Dg

Rodinazombie wrote:To be fair, who are we to judge what it and what isn't conspiracy theory?

Using the same reasoning man made autism sounds totally legit, don't you think?

Rodinazombie wrote:Let people post whatever they believe as long as its not offensive or threatening violence, but if they are posting such things they should expect to be shot down unless they can back it up with facts and reliable sources.

Offensive like behaviour based on race or threatening like ethnic cleansing as political solution?

Rodinazombie wrote:I dont agree with banning such people, as amongst every conspiracy there are grains of truth and little gems of information. Its up to other people to either refute their arguments or just ignore them, but banning them and acting like certain other forums isn't the answer.

I'm not talking about banning anyone but to put some limits to the nonsense.

GarryB wrote:This is not a democracy and I will not be pressured or threatened to ban anyone.

That was suprrr... Bulls eye w.r.t democracies. Loved it.