People throwing a tantrum about SAA's "blunders" just play in the hand of the Western MSM. In their eyes every little town that the rebels capture is strategic. Add more drama please . All it takes is a sober look at what the SAA, together with the VKS, have achieved and you'll get the picture perfectly.
Back to serious discussion. I think quite soon some kind of truce will be reached between the "moderates" and the advancing SAA. The next phase will be combined efforts of cleaning the Syrian territory from ISIS and their branches. All of that in exchange for political power in the future. I think that's what Assad and Putin discussed last time in Moscow.
Neutrality wrote:People throwing a tantrum about SAA's "blunders" just play in the hand of the Western MSM. In their eyes every little town that the rebels capture is strategic. Add more drama please . All it takes is a sober look at what the SAA, together with the VKS, have achieved and you'll get the picture perfectly.
Back to serious discussion. I think quite soon some kind of truce will be reached between the "moderates" and the advancing SAA. The next phase will be combined efforts of cleaning the Syrian territory from ISIS and their branches. All of that in exchange for political power in the future. I think that's what Assad and Putin discussed last time in Moscow.
And what happens when isis is cleared from syria? Are you really going to allow these head chopping 'moderates' into government?
For now the goal should be getting Russia to increase assiatance -increase the number of flying assets to 100 and number of sorties to 200, including 30 attack helos (Mi-28, Ka-50) capable of doing at least 50 CAS sorties per day. Attack helicopters do not need sophisticated facilities and can be kept close to the frontline and available within 20 min if needed.
Neutrality wrote:People throwing a tantrum about SAA's "blunders" just play in the hand of the Western MSM. In their eyes every little town that the rebels capture is strategic. Add more drama please . All it takes is a sober look at what the SAA, together with the VKS, have achieved and you'll get the picture perfectly.
Back to serious discussion. I think quite soon some kind of truce will be reached between the "moderates" and the advancing SAA. The next phase will be combined efforts of cleaning the Syrian territory from ISIS and their branches. All of that in exchange for political power in the future. I think that's what Assad and Putin discussed last time in Moscow.
And what happens when isis is cleared from syria? Are you really going to allow these head chopping 'moderates' into government?
Yup, that's the way of the world, stop the killing for the good of the society as a whole (the majority of which don't give a sh*t and just wants to get on with their life in peace). Just look at the IRA leaders now in Government in the UK as just one example along with various 'peace and reconciliation' operations around the world.
Neutrality wrote:People throwing a tantrum about SAA's "blunders" just play in the hand of the Western MSM. In their eyes every little town that the rebels capture is strategic. Add more drama please . All it takes is a sober look at what the SAA, together with the VKS, have achieved and you'll get the picture perfectly.
Back to serious discussion. I think quite soon some kind of truce will be reached between the "moderates" and the advancing SAA. The next phase will be combined efforts of cleaning the Syrian territory from ISIS and their branches. All of that in exchange for political power in the future. I think that's what Assad and Putin discussed last time in Moscow.
And what happens when isis is cleared from syria? Are you really going to allow these head chopping 'moderates' into government?
Yup, that's the way of the world, stop the killing for the good of the society as a whole (the majority of which don't give a sh*t and just wants to get on with their life in peace). Just look at the IRA leaders now in Government in the UK as just one example along with various 'peace and reconciliation' operations around the world.
Dont forget kadyrov in chechnya too.
Yes its the way of the world, but Assad will have to ensure that these people are incapable of taking up arms again, even if they are allowed in, they have to be brought to negotiate from a point of weakness, ie decimate them and then allow a token political force from them to join the government to stand up for the opposition.
And what happens when isis is cleared from syria? Are you really going to allow these head chopping 'moderates' into government?
Let me clear up what I meant. Having political power in Syria doesn't mean that Assad automatically transitions power to them as soon as the war is over. What I meant is that most likely there will be some kind of democratic process with elections. Every political party with decent weight will take part. That's my guess. In a perfect situation we'll have a 50/50 government which suits both Russia and the US.
Like JohnMK said, it's the way of the world. Saddam and Gadaffi weren't the most democratic leaders of the ME either but they had support of all the clans/tribes which is the most important factor for stability in that region.
Gaddafi had support of tribes from Tripolitania and Saddam enjoyed support of Sunnis - he had a Shia uprising in 1991 that nearly toppled him.
No power sharing with the opposition should take place - truly moderate opposition makes up maybe 10% of rebel forces in Syria, the rest are Islamists more or less open about their beliefs. If you want to know what kind of power secularists have, look at what Nusra did to Hazzm & Co. in 2014. True secularists are fighting alongside Assad since the time unknown.
The thing is to: 1. Make Islamists fight each other. 2. Convince the remaining rebel secularists to join Assad. This was partially done in the past - and loads of folks who previosly fought SAA are now manning NDF checkpoints accross the country.
Neutrality wrote: Back to serious discussion. I think quite soon some kind of truce will be reached between the "moderates" and the advancing SAA. The next phase will be combined efforts of cleaning the Syrian territory from ISIS and their branches. All of that in exchange for political power in the future. I think that's what Assad and Putin discussed last time in Moscow.
And what happens when isis is cleared from syria? Are you really going to allow these head chopping 'moderates' into government?
Yup, that's the way of the world, stop the killing for the good of the society as a whole (the majority of which don't give a sh*t and just wants to get on with their life in peace). Just look at the IRA leaders now in Government in the UK as just one example along with various 'peace and reconciliation' operations around the world.
Dont forget kadyrov in chechnya too.
Yes its the way of the world, but Assad will have to ensure that these people are incapable of taking up arms again, even if they are allowed in, they have to be brought to negotiate from a point of weakness, ie decimate them and then allow a token political force from them to join the government to stand up for the opposition.
They don't need to be 'brought to their knees' for long term success, in some ways the more of them that there are included the better the new grouping will be at resisting the inevitable attacks from the outsiders. Both sides need to see that there is a real commitment that the proposed solution is in all their interests, this is where the Russian and Iranian influence and raw power is key. The 'moderates' in this case have to be convinced that the plan for the power and rewards of being a part of the State will be shared with them and theirs. Syria at peace is potentially a wealthy country.
I think that as part of bringing the moderates onside there will be a strategy in Damascus of a 'Syria for the Syrians' campaign against the now very large numbers of foreign fighters. Plus large, probably tax holiday related, bribes to bring Syrians and their money home from around the world.
Neutrality wrote:People throwing a tantrum about SAA's "blunders" just play in the hand of the Western MSM. In their eyes every little town that the rebels capture is strategic. Add more drama please . All it takes is a sober look at what the SAA, together with the VKS, have achieved and you'll get the picture perfectly.
Back to serious discussion. I think quite soon some kind of truce will be reached between the "moderates" and the advancing SAA. The next phase will be combined efforts of cleaning the Syrian territory from ISIS and their branches. All of that in exchange for political power in the future. I think that's what Assad and Putin discussed last time in Moscow.
And what happens when isis is cleared from syria? Are you really going to allow these head chopping 'moderates' into government?
Russia considers AQ, Nusra, Sham and all other inbreds to be in the same package as ISIS.
Lavrov already gave us list of moderate opposition and they all fit the bill. They get to stay all others will be put to the sword.
Kurds will most likely also be considered kosher if for nothing else then to piss of Erdogan...
Any beef the moderates have with Assad later on will have to be sorted out in parlament after elections.
BEIRUT – Hezbollah has been redeploying its fighters from Zabadani to the frontlines around Syria’s capital where regime forces have pressed unsuccessful offensives against rebels, according to pro-opposition media. All4Syria reported Friday that Hezbollah fighters as well as Syrian National Defense Force militiamen were redeploying “en-masse” from their positions in the mountains west of Zabadani, where Hezbollah lead a campaign against rebels from July to late September. A rebel source in the western Qalamoun border region told the outlet that the troops were headed toward battlefronts in eastern Ghouta—where the Army of Islam rebel group cut the Damascus-Homs highway northeast of Damascus—as well as Darayya, where the regime earlier in the week launched a failed bid to storm the town. The bloody fighting in Zabadani came to an end on September 24 in a deal that called for rebels holding out in the town to withdraw in exchange for safe-passage for civilians out of a besieged Shiite enclave in the Idlib province. All4Syria’s source gave a detailed account of the Hezbollah withdrawals carried out in the towns of Bloudan and Al-Maamoura that overlook Zabadani. “23 Microvans, 14 large Kia vehicles, 16 large Toyotas, two small closed top cars, three Inter trucks, 3 ZiL vehicles full of men, 15 taxis carrying Hezbollah and NDF members and four large transport vehicles [each] big enough for over 200 passengers,” left the two western Qalamoun towns for Damascus, according to the report. The party’s force that withdrew from the western mountain area included “37 Jeeps, 16 Toyotas, 7 130mm field artillery units, several BMP vehicles and a rocket launchpad,” he said. Another pro-opposition outlet, 7al.me, carried a similar report Friday, saying that “Hezbollah and Syrian regime forces have withdrawn from the Ayn Ramleh checkpoint and adjacent positions in Zabadani’s western mountains.” “They have withdrawn from their positions in the western mountain towards the Al-Saroukhiya checkpoint at the town’s entrance and the capital Damascus to make up of the lack of manpower on other fronts,” a media activist who identified himself as Ahmad Yabrudi told 7al.me Yabrudi said that the regime had also “withdrawn a large number of its forces and militias from Bloudan, Maamoura and the area around Zabadani to Al-Saroukhiya and Damascus.”
^ Hezbollah need to be stocked with new arms and Russia needs to support them fully. They have been a critical force alongside the SAA in the fight against the terrorists and have been taking a lot of causalities in this conflict. Compared to the size of the militia/army, the causalities cannot be sustained in the long run and has to be kept to the minimum. Hezbollah is a vital force in the region to keep the mental Israeli's at bay from running over and bombing others land at will. They need to be strengthened and up-armed to have a more stabilized environment. Russia doesn't consider them to be a terrorist organization unlike the Isreali's.
Neutrality wrote:People throwing a tantrum about SAA's "blunders" just play in the hand of the Western MSM. In their eyes every little town that the rebels capture is strategic. Add more drama please . All it takes is a sober look at what the SAA, together with the VKS, have achieved and you'll get the picture perfectly.
Back to serious discussion. I think quite soon some kind of truce will be reached between the "moderates" and the advancing SAA. The next phase will be combined efforts of cleaning the Syrian territory from ISIS and their branches. All of that in exchange for political power in the future. I think that's what Assad and Putin discussed last time in Moscow.
And what happens when isis is cleared from syria? Are you really going to allow these head chopping 'moderates' into government?
Russia considers AQ, Nusra, Sham and all other inbreds to be in the same package as ISIS.
Lavrov already gave us list of moderate opposition and they all fit the bill. They get to stay all others will be put to the sword.
Kurds will most likely also be considered kosher if for nothing else then to piss of Erdogan...
Any beef the moderates have with Assad later on will have to be sorted out in parlament after elections.
ISIS Suffers Insurmountable Losses in Deir Ezzor: Over 200 Casualties Reported This Week The Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham’s (ISIS) bad week in Syria has only gotten worse in the Deir Ezzor Governorate after the Russian Air Force’s SU-24 fighter jets continued their relentless aerial campaign to assist the Syrian Arab Army’s soldiers combatting these encroaching militants.
On Thursday morning, ISIS launched another assault on the Syrian Arab Army’s defensive positions at the southeastern gates of the Deir Ezzor Military Airport; however, for the third time this week, the terrorist group was unable to break into this base, despite their repeated attempts.
Unable to infiltrate into the Deir Ezzor Military Airport, the terrorist group chose to withdraw from the aforementioned site towards the western bank of the Euphrates River in order to evade the Syrian Army’s artillery shells; but unfortunately for ISIS, they were given no relief from as the Russian Air Force chased them to Sakr Island.
In addition to their failed assault on the Deir Ezzor Military Airport, ISIS suffered heavy casualties inside Haweeja Al-Muri’iyah after the Syrian Arab Army’s 137th Artillery Brigade of the 17th Reserve Division – in coordination with the SAA’s 104th Airborne Brigade of the Republican Guard – launched a counter-assault to recapture the Potato Farms.
According to a military source from the 104th Airborne Brigade, ISIS has suffered over 200 casualties this week, including a week-high death toll of 90 after their failed bid to break into the provincial capital of Deir Ezzor.
Among the reported casualties was a high number of foreigns from Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, Belgium, Indonesia, Kuwait, and Chechnya; this was reportedly confirmed to the Shaytat Tribesmen from civilians in the ISIS stronghold of Abukamaal.
The Shaytat Tribesmen reported to the Syrian Army that ISIS called on the civilians of Abukamaal to donate blood to their field hospitals in order to meet the high demand for their wounded fighters. ===================
Breaking: Syrian Army and Hezbollah Capture Kafr Haddad in Northeastern Idlib Moments ago, the Syrian Arab Army’s 4th Mechanized Division – in coordination with Hezbollah, the National Defense Forces (NDF) of Aleppo City, and several Iraqi paramilitary units – have declared the complete capture of Kafr Haddad in southern Aleppo after intense firefights with the Islamist rebels from Harakat Nouriddeen Al-Zinki, Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham, the Syrian Al-Qaeda group “Jabhat Al-Nusra”, and Liwaa Suqour Al-Sham.
According to a battlefield report from a local source in Al-Safira, the Syrian Arab Army’s 4th Division, Hezbollah, and their allies stormed the Islamist rebel defenses at Kafr Haddad this morning, resulting in a long and fierce battle for its control.
However, Jabhat Al-Nusra, Harakat Nouriddeen Al-Zinki, Liwaa Suqour Al-Sham, and Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham were unable to withstand the aerial assault from the Russian and Syrian Air Forces, as their airstrikes forced the aforementioned Islamist rebels to withdraw to Dalameh, which is located directly east of Kafr Haddad.
With the capture of Kafr Haddad today, the Syrian Armed Forces and Lebanese Resistance have now expanded their territorial gains in southern Aleppo to 240km in only 35 days, while also entering the Idlib Governorate.
The capture of Kafr Haddad marks the first time in three years that the Syrian Armed Forces have entered the northeastern countryside of the Idlib Governorate.
Unconfirmed report:Nusra/al qaeda & #isis truce talks: alliance would create a jihadists entity of unprecedented power... Perhaps more than 100,000 fighters
======================== 4000 Iranian guards save Syria
The Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Rai reported, citing "a senior source in the joint operational headquarters in Damascus," the details of the organization of the current military operations in the territory of the CAP.
A source said: "The Russian air force quickly perform queries ground forces, while continuing to strike targets in co-created database. Database is constantly updated - both at the expense of electronic surveillance, monitoring the Internet, aerial photography, and thanks to the efforts of the government agents are embedded in almost all the rebel groups and units. "
The source said that in the operational headquarters are working together Syrian, Iranian and Russian generals, as well as representatives of the high command, "Hezbollah". According to a source critically important task - to unlock the Hama-Aleppo highway near Ihtiriya- Hanassir entrusted brigade of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard numbering one thousand troops and "Hezbollah".
The operation was carried out with the direct support of the Russian aviation. Russian Su-30 and MiG-29 Syrian patrol Syrian airspace in order to prevent interference of foreign countries Aviation (Americans and Israelis), while on the battlefield worked Su-24 and Su-25. As a result of the successful offensive, the Iranians and "Hezbollah" the road to Aleppo was unlocked and restored government control over the strategically important areas of the territory of 25 square kilometers. This boiler was completely destroyed by the grouping ISIS.
Syria acts Liwa al-Sayyed Shuhada Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Its population reached 4 thousand people and continues to grow. Division brigade operating in different parts of Syria. The Iranian presence in Syria will only increase as the battle with Iran believes the Islamic State of one of its own national security priorities. The source stressed: "It is much easier to make war against extremists in the land of Sham than wait until we attacked in our own home - Iran."
The source stressed: "It is a complete, all-round cooperation between the military level en Syria. Russia, Iran and "Hezbollah". Everyone feels himself a member of a homogeneous team that depends on trust in each other on the battlefield, and everyone knows his and his duty. Even when it comes to failure, the parties are trying to shift the blame on each other, but on the contrary, together analyze errors in order to achieve better results in this long battle. Russia provides all that is needed without delay. It is assumed that the intensification of hostilities on all fronts of the Russian planes will make hundreds of combat sorties a day. "
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The Eagles have migrated to sunnier climes from England.
Six F-15C Eagle jets, belonging to the 493rd Fighter Squadron of the 48th Fighter Wing, from RAF Lakenheath, UK, have just deployed to Incirlik airbase, in Turkey.
According to the U.S. Air Force, the air superiority planes were moved close to Syria “in a demonstration of the United States unwavering support for Turkish sovereignty and the collective security of the region.” Furthermore, the USAFE-AFAFRICA F-15s, pure air superiority aircraft not used for ground attack missions, “were deployed after the Government of Turkey requested support in securing the sovereignty of Turkish airspace.”
Although the Eagles will theoretically be used to secure the Turkey-Syria border that is violated by Syrian and Russian planes every now and then, the decision to move 6 or more (according to some sources, up to 12) F-15s near Syria seems to be aimed at flexing the muscles against the Russians that have been quite active in western Syria since Moscow launched its first air strikes against terrorists at the end of September.
Some media outlets speculated the F-15Cs, world’s most successful combat-proven dogfighters (that have recently taken part in an exercise in Israel and earlier this year in Turkey), will be used against the Russian combat planes if these fly a bit too close with the U.S. and coalition aircraft conducting air strikes in Syria but this seems to be a bit far-fetched at this stage: they will probably provide air cover to the A-10s, Special Forces support assets etc, without interfering with their Russian counterparts to avoid risky close encounters. Unless this is strictly required.
Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Garry - your analogies are stupid. Rebels have none of the advantages Wehrmacht had during the invasion of France - they are poorly armed, fragmented (dozens of groups per province) and don't have the best officer corps in the world. Defences around Morek had been prepared for 2 weeks in advance, simply running away in face of an attack by guys on pick-ups is a sign of plain tactical ineptitude - no idea who commanded those troops but he should be court martialled. Then another blunder is made by counter-attacking with a weaker(!) force than the defender.
As a morale booster - SAA ambushed rebels in Damascus, killing 50 of them.
So whenever the SAA have a victory.. is just for "show".. but when the rebels capture a worthless city..then SAA is incompetent and good for nothing.. and they fighting just "poorly armed soldiers". Which Part of Syria Face a US and Coalition war is hard for you to understand? ?????????????
There are NATO special forces literary on every battlefield in Syria ,there are drones , they receive NATO artillery , NATO anti tank missiles. Many of this so called "rebels" have received training in USA texas military base , just recently Ukrainians were found in Hama. Is not a "Rebels" war.. you and everyone on this forum should get this fucking fact already very clear in their minds. Is a world war 3 proxy war..what Syria face. They are being supplied also with chemical weapons , just recently report of mustard gass being used against Syrian army..
You really think that Americans military is as stupid as they claim to be and ,will give billions to rebels unless they were very sure they will get results? Again NATO special forces are in Syria under the cover of "Rebels". Russia Government just yesterday told up to 35,000 foreign fighters in SYria. you bet that at least half of them are professional soldiers trainned by NATO powers. I remember reading reports as early as 2012 from Russian advisors in Syria of how the world have no idea how Big is the war in Syria and how NATO noses are in the conflict. the anti Assad rebels have real professionals on their side fighting. he gave an example of a former spetnaz Russian instructor that was on the Side of Rebels that got killed . There are also thousands of spetznas from CIS countries too. Again is not a war of civilians with Ak-47 that are fighting Assad. The only videos uploaded on youtube are the ones of regular syrian militants fighting assad. but none of the special forces of NATO leads on the front , they always stay behind supply the terrorist real time satellite communications and leads their fights.. tells them when to attack a city and from which direction... Just recently last week ISIS And Alnusra supposedly enemies closed the Hama-Aleppo airport with a very well coordinated attack ,that happened at the same time on the same place from 2 directions . That could only have happened if the attack was directly by people with full knowledge of satellite intelligence and Syrian army positions weak spots.. that is what the so called Rebels are attacking. Western Powers also provide the terrorist with real time informaton of RUssia airforce movements.. so they are not caught in the open and defeated easily. Terrorist use cities and civilians as cover from Russian and Syrian army airforce.. is not a simple war. What happened in zabadani? after Hezbolah was winning? Rebels offered a cease of fire and the safe exist of civilians if they stop bombing them.. WHen You have a war that civilians are used as shield is much more complicated any offensive and significantly limit the places that can be bombed.. Russian airforce for example cannot Bomb Mosques.. that terrorist use as warehouses or safe zones. or any place where many civilians casualties can happen.
Wars are not won by holding territory in ruins ,just for the fun of it.. wars are won by causing major casualties on the enemy and disabling their capabilities to continue fighting. Losing territory is bad.. but losing soldiers is even worse. Because soldiers can regroup and recapture territory. Russia is bombing their munitions and supplies and at some point they will not have any more bullets to fight.. and will need to surrender without a fight.this is specially true for encircled terrorist with no place for resupply. Reason why SAA and Russia airforce is pushing to close the Syrian turkey border and liberate Aleppo too. Is a thing of priorities.. Aleppo is much more important than Hama. Once Aleppo taken they will move to Idlib and effectively deny any NATO invasion from Turkey which is the biggest danger Syria. Hama and homs are way less important for the fact that they are deep inside Syria and can be more easily closed,those will collapse on its own without much a fight if their supplies ends. Blocking NATO from Flying over Syria and or invading from Turkey is the major priority now for Russia and or Syrian army. This means securing northen Latakia ,encircling Aleppo ,then Idlib and securing Damascus ,expanding the control should be priority. This is the zones that Russia and Syrian army are gaining more territory ..not coincidence. What good will be if Syria army deploy all its power in Hama and capture it ,if NATO penetrates deep inside Latakia threatening the whole Russian Airforce mission? Time to think people.. is not that hard. IF Syrian Army can capture Hama with little effort they will do it. but if it require too much effort they will not and give preference for the north of Syria (idlib and Aleppo and norther latakia) and of course Damascus.
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And SAA has Hezbollah and Iranian SF on the ground - got it? Both are world class and can do everythign western SF can do. Or maybe you believe that western SF are as effecrive as in Hollywood movies and each of them can kill 50 enemies in 2 minutes, firing an AK with one hand?
SAA is weak. Period. It has incompetent officer corps and severe shortages in training down to NCO level. The best operations by SAA were all conducted with heavy involvement of Hezbollah and Iranian officers on the ground. Without them SAA can do shit. Israeli army would grind the entire rebel army to a pulp in the same time SAA needed to recover 100km2 of Aleppo.
Walther von Oldenburg wrote: And SAA has Hezbollah and Iranian SF on the ground - got it? Both are world class and can do everythign western SF can do. Or maybe you believe that western SF are as effecrive as in Hollywood movies and each of them can kill 50 enemies in 2 minutes, firing an AK with one hand?
SAA is weak. Period. It has incompetent officer corps and severe shortages in training down to NCO level. The best operations by SAA were all conducted with heavy involvement of Hezbollah and Iranian officers on the ground. Without them SAA can do shit. Israeli army would grind the entire rebel army to a pulp in the same time SAA needed to recover 100km2 of Aleppo.
Hezbolah just a few thousand soldiers , IRAN? just 2,000 soldiers.. half of them Iraquis.. none with Airforce or Tanks ,just using light weapons. Russia with only 25 planes in Syria and some advisors , with some few dozens of Russian special forces providing logistics. The 2,000 Russian military soldiers are only in defensive position around Russia military base.. not in combat.
So Syrian Army is fighting alone for 4 years with a few thousand hezbolah ~ 5,000. and now for the first time with 2,000 volunteers hired by IRAN , that are mostly iraquis.. So much support?
In the other hand the terrorist have NATO soldiers fighting as "rebels" about 35,000 of them in Syria according to Kremlin last report. in the battle field , Turkey Army with tanks and their artillery invaded Syria and took IDLIB.. they are there. Israel own media said they have a thousand of their special forces in souther Syria. Jordan ,US ,Turkey ,are dropping supplies to so called Rebels with lethal weapons. A Pentagon General is directly leading the fight of ISIS and Alnusra in the battle field. Most of the fighters in Syria are NATO sponsored ,armed and trained soldiers. 6Ukrainians in Syria are not rebels.. Americans in Syria are not rebels.. Turkey army in Syria are not rebels. French special forces in Syria are not Rebels ,Israeli army in Syria are not rebels. British special forces who are also in Syria , in RAQA are not rebels ,In Short you are an idiot. The Syrian army is not fighting weak enemy but near 100,000 jihadist used as cannon folder with the best special forces in the world behind them ,in limited numbers (about 10,000) but good enough to cause mayor problems. When you have Ukrainians in Hama.. fighting , any one with a degree of intelligence will realize there is something wrong with the so called civil war..that there is none. is a proxy war ,half of the fighters are foreigners with combat experience and full NATO major powers support.
here americans fighting "Against ISIS" yeah sure.. thats the propaganda they will want the world to believe.
More "rebels" bullshit.. that speak perfect english and looks too much sun.. because their skin is black.
French soldiers helping the "moderate bullshit " FSA,yes they present it as "volunteers"
Turkey army in Syria.. notice they not attacked by ISIS..
here a US pentagon general in Syria with so called "Rebels"
you really think the US government will send a Pentagon general to Syria ,unless there was at least a thousands of special forces body guarding him?
Only retards will believe the Syrian army is fighting just moderate "Rebels" who just were supplied overnight with some weapons and spare parts to fight Syrian army and learned overnight how to fight and how to defeat a real army. To use such weapons you need special training somewhere.. to use manpads you need training ,TOW you need training. this are not civilians who took guns.. but NATO trained mercenaries or American special forces volunteers directly doing that.
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Walther von Oldenburg wrote: And SAA has Hezbollah and Iranian SF on the ground - got it? Both are world class and can do everythign western SF can do. Or maybe you believe that western SF are as effecrive as in Hollywood movies and each of them can kill 50 enemies in 2 minutes, firing an AK with one hand?
SAA is weak. Period. It has incompetent officer corps and severe shortages in training down to NCO level. The best operations by SAA were all conducted with heavy involvement of Hezbollah and Iranian officers on the ground. Without them SAA can do shit. Israeli army would grind the entire rebel army to a pulp in the same time SAA needed to recover 100km2 of Aleppo.
Hezbolah just a few thousand soldiers , IRAN? just 2,000 soldiers.. half of them Iraquis.. none with Airforce or Tanks ,just using light weapons. Russia with only 25 planes in Syria and some advisors , with some few dozens of Russian special forces providing logistics. The 2,000 Russian military soldiers are only in defensive position around Russia military base.. not in combat.
So Syrian Army is fighting alone for 4 years with a few thousand hezbolah ~ 5,000. and now for the first time with 2,000 volunteers hired by IRAN , that are mostly iraquis.. So much support?
In the other hand the terrorist have NATO soldiers fighting as "rebels" about 35,000 of them in Syria according to Kremlin last report. in the battle field , Turkey Army with tanks and their artillery invaded Syria and took IDLIB.. they are there. Israel own media said they have a thousand of their special forces in souther Syria. Jordan ,US ,Turkey ,are dropping supplies to so called Rebels with lethal weapons. A Pentagon General is directly leading the fight of ISIS and Alnusra in the battle field. Most of the fighters in Syria are NATO sponsored ,armed and trained soldiers. 6Ukrainians in Syria are not rebels.. Americans in Syria are not rebels.. Turkey army in Syria are not rebels. Israeli army in Syria are not rebels. In Short you are an idiot. The Syrian army is not fighting weak enemy but the best armies in the world in limited numbers but good enough to cause mayor problems.
Can you please link that kremlin report that states 35,000 nato soldiers are fighting in syria as 'rebels'?
Also, which pentagon general is leading isis?
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1. Show me photos/videos of Turkish tanks in Syria, together with the news source that posted them. 2. Show me proof that there are 35,000 NATo soldiers in Syria - 1,000 ID cards of dead ones will do.
Hezbollah has been present in significant numbers in Syria since 2012 - if you believe that a few thousand Hezbollahis mean nothing then several dozen mythical BATO special forces mean even less.
Walther von Oldenburg wrote:1. Show me photos/videos of Turkish tanks in Syria, together with the news source that posted them. 2. Show me proof that there are 35,000 NATo soldiers in Syria - 1,000 ID cards of dead ones will do.
Hezbollah has been present in significant numbers in Syria since 2012 - if you believe that a few thousand Hezbollahis mean nothing then several dozen mythical BATO special forces mean even less.
There are not 35,000 NATO soldiers in Syria but Syria is surrounded by NATO and Syria needed help and that came in the form of Russia. I don't think Hezbollah and Iran would have had much of a chance against NATO, if Russia did not step in, NATO would have walked all over Syria. I do agree that the SAA need to better and they will be better with Russian and Iranian help. But make no mistake, there are NATO soldiers an NATO special services in Syria.
Rodinazombie wrote:but theres no need to start trolling frantically that the saa are cowards every time they lose an inch of ground.
That's the norm with a couple of posters who it seems need to take some sort of pills to control their mental conditions....every morning I have to scroll thru a couple of pages of crap to see a news item or the occasional normal post
They are fighting on three fronts with a hugely depleted army, an economy in the toilet against well prepared, well armed and motivated terrorist armies that are funded, trained and supplied by some of the biggest economies in the world. That they have not collapsed completely is a testament to the syrian army and its people.
Exactly.
Hezbollah which many consider to be the best infantry in the ME is only present in small numbers in Syria....about 2000 men atm...the Iranians and their allied auxilary troops number around 6000 men, concentrated around Aleppo.
To me, it looks obvious that clearing the Aleppo area (the Latakia front is part of it too) is the current focus together with the jihadi held areas of Damascus, to be followed by a move towards Idlib
Werewolf wrote:What "list" has Lavrov shown? Can you link it?
The Syrian National Council or something like that....they're also trying to get some other smaller Syrian rebel groups to join them. Mainly the ones who resent the presence of foreign jihadis in Syria
Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Garry - your analogies are stupid. Rebels have none of the advantages Wehrmacht had during the invasion of France - they are poorly armed, fragmented (dozens of groups per province) and don't have the best officer corps in the world. Defences around Morek had been prepared for 2 weeks in advance, simply running away in face of an attack by guys on pick-ups is a sign of plain tactical ineptitude - no idea who commanded those troops but he should be court martialled. Then another blunder is made by counter-attacking with a weaker(!) force than the defender.
As a morale booster - SAA ambushed rebels in Damascus, killing 50 of them.
So whenever the SAA have a victory.. is just for "show".. but when the rebels capture a worthless city..then SAA is incompetent and good for nothing.. and they fighting just "poorly armed soldiers". Which Part of Syria Face a US and Coalition war is hard for you to understand? ?????????????
There are NATO special forces literary on every battlefield in Syria ,there are drones , they receive NATO artillery , NATO anti tank missiles. Many of this so called "rebels" have received training in USA texas military base , just recently Ukrainians were found in Hama. Is not a "Rebels" war.. you and everyone on this forum should get this fucking fact already very clear in their minds. Is a world war 3 proxy war..what Syria face. They are being supplied also with chemical weapons , just recently report of mustard gass being used against Syrian army..
You really think that Americans military is as stupid as they claim to be and ,will give billions to rebels unless they were very sure they will get results? Again NATO special forces are in Syria under the cover of "Rebels". Russia Government just yesterday told up to 35,000 foreign fighters in SYria. you bet that at least half of them are professional soldiers trainned by NATO powers. I remember reading reports as early as 2012 from Russian advisors in Syria of how the world have no idea how Big is the war in Syria and how NATO noses are in the conflict. the anti Assad rebels have real professionals on their side fighting. he gave an example of a former spetnaz Russian instructor that was on the Side of Rebels that got killed . There are also thousands of spetznas from CIS countries too. Again is not a war of civilians with Ak-47 that are fighting Assad. The only videos uploaded on youtube are the ones of regular syrian militants fighting assad. but none of the special forces of NATO leads on the front , they always stay behind supply the terrorist real time satellite communications and leads their fights.. tells them when to attack a city and from which direction... Just recently last week ISIS And Alnusra supposedly enemies closed the Hama-Aleppo airport with a very well coordinated attack ,that happened at the same time on the same place from 2 directions . That could only have happened if the attack was directly by people with full knowledge of satellite intelligence and Syrian army positions weak spots.. that is what the so called Rebels are attacking. Western Powers also provide the terrorist with real time informaton of RUssia airforce movements.. so they are not caught in the open and defeated easily. Terrorist use cities and civilians as cover from Russian and Syrian army airforce.. is not a simple war. What happened in zabadani? after Hezbolah was winning? Rebels offered a cease of fire and the safe exist of civilians if they stop bombing them.. WHen You have a war that civilians are used as shield is much more complicated any offensive and significantly limit the places that can be bombed.. Russian airforce for example cannot Bomb Mosques.. that terrorist use as warehouses or safe zones. or any place where many civilians casualties can happen.
Wars are not won by holding territory in ruins ,just for the fun of it.. wars are won by causing major casualties on the enemy and disabling their capabilities to continue fighting. Losing territory is bad.. but losing soldiers is even worse. Because soldiers can regroup and recapture territory. Russia is bombing their munitions and supplies and at some point they will not have any more bullets to fight.. and will need to surrender without a fight.this is specially true for encircled terrorist with no place for resupply. Reason why SAA and Russia airforce is pushing to close the Syrian turkey border and liberate Aleppo too. Is a thing of priorities.. Aleppo is much more important than Hama. Once Aleppo taken they will move to Idlib and effectively deny any NATO invasion from Turkey which is the biggest danger Syria. Hama and homs are way less important for the fact that they are deep inside Syria and can be more easily closed,those will collapse on its own without much a fight if their supplies ends. Blocking NATO from Flying over Syria and or invading from Turkey is the major priority now for Russia and or Syrian army. This means securing northen Latakia ,encircling Aleppo ,then Idlib and securing Damascus ,expanding the control should be priority. This is the zones that Russia and Syrian army are gaining more territory ..not coincidence. What good will be if Syria army deploy all its power in Hama and capture it ,if NATO penetrates deep inside Latakia threatening the whole Russian Airforce mission? Time to think people.. is not that hard. IF Syrian Army can capture Hama with little effort they will do it. but if it require too much effort they will not and give preference for the north of Syria (idlib and Aleppo and norther latakia) and of course Damascus.
For the bolded part, this happens because the west media is much bigger and more idiots follow it.
35,000 foreign fighters is not the same as "35,000 NATO soldiers". It's up to you (and Vann) to prove their existence.
Presence of Hezbollah and IRGC is well known, both of them talk openly of it. Turkish tanks and 35,000 NATO soldiers appear to be as real as the Baltic female snipers.
Walther von Oldenburg wrote: And SAA has Hezbollah and Iranian SF on the ground - got it? Both are world class and can do everythign western SF can do. Or maybe you believe that western SF are as effecrive as in Hollywood movies and each of them can kill 50 enemies in 2 minutes, firing an AK with one hand?
SAA is weak. Period. It has incompetent officer corps and severe shortages in training down to NCO level. The best operations by SAA were all conducted with heavy involvement of Hezbollah and Iranian officers on the ground. Without them SAA can do shit. Israeli army would grind the entire rebel army to a pulp in the same time SAA needed to recover 100km2 of Aleppo.
Hezbolah just a few thousand soldiers , IRAN? just 2,000 soldiers.. half of them Iraquis.. none with Airforce or Tanks ,just using light weapons. Russia with only 25 planes in Syria and some advisors , with some few dozens of Russian special forces providing logistics. The 2,000 Russian military soldiers are only in defensive position around Russia military base.. not in combat.
So Syrian Army is fighting alone for 4 years with a few thousand hezbolah ~ 5,000. and now for the first time with 2,000 volunteers hired by IRAN , that are mostly iraquis.. So much support?
In the other hand the terrorist have NATO soldiers fighting as "rebels" about 35,000 of them in Syria according to Kremlin last report. in the battle field , Turkey Army with tanks and their artillery invaded Syria and took IDLIB.. they are there. Israel own media said they have a thousand of their special forces in souther Syria. Jordan ,US ,Turkey ,are dropping supplies to so called Rebels with lethal weapons. A Pentagon General is directly leading the fight of ISIS and Alnusra in the battle field. Most of the fighters in Syria are NATO sponsored ,armed and trained soldiers. 6Ukrainians in Syria are not rebels.. Americans in Syria are not rebels.. Turkey army in Syria are not rebels. Israeli army in Syria are not rebels. In Short you are an idiot. The Syrian army is not fighting weak enemy but the best armies in the world in limited numbers but good enough to cause mayor problems.
Can you please link that kremlin report that states 35,000 nato soldiers are fighting in syria as 'rebels'?
Also, which pentagon general is leading isis?
http://www.veteranstoday.com
Is your best source of information about Syria.. also Syrian perspective..
http://syrianperspective.com
Russia’s Air Forces are striking only confirmed terrorist targets, such as Islamic State militants and are not after the so-called ‘moderate’ Syrian rebels, Russia’s deputy defense minister said, revealing that ISIS employs up to 30,000 foreign extremists
30,000 foreigners fighting as "Rebels" in Syria.. all recruited by US and its allies . If anyone here really believes the Pentagon will give billions to "rebels" losers ,and risk losing their investment giving that money and those weapons to people that do not have any combat experience are seriously mistaken. Many of so called "Rebels" are blackwater mercenaries and special forces from NATO. And it is the Pentagon Generals.. who are leading the fight in Syria and IRAQ of ISIS and all other so called "rebels groups".Thousands forces from Turkey army is on Idlib according to Syrian Inside sources. The Syrian war is only a NATO invasion of Syria, NATO is fighting there.. against the Syrian Army. Just because they use volunteers with combat experience and not their regular official armies does not means is not as good as it can be the enemies that Syria is facing. Israel special forces a thousand of them in southern Syria.
What you have in Syria is a NATO/Gulf undercover invasion hybrid war with local militants support nothing more and nothing less. The way the "rebels" fight.. is the way NATO will fight if invaded directly.. and could not use their airforces offensively and their tanks..[u] Is a NATO war.. get that thing right at least for ever that fact . IS a NATO hybrid war . not a rebels war. with Pentagon generals leading the logistics. is not different to what is Russia doing in Eastern Ukraine. Mayority are locals but a significant number of them are well trained fighters volunteers former Russian armed forces. With the major difference that Russian airforce in not bombing anything in ukraine.. while NATO it is bombing Syria. including Syrian army whenever it gets close to their special forces. Oh "so poor Syrian army".. cannot get anything right against .
without americans intervention in Syria and its NATO and gulf allies ,the so called rebels will have been crushed in weeks after the first violence. So called Rebels were actually were defeated in 2012 in Homs..with french special forces captured. but a new offensive began from Turkey and Jordan late at 2012, at same time... about 15,000 fighters invaded from Jordan Damascus with trucks in a semi suicide invasion.. that served as a cover of a Turkey bigger invasion.. thats how they took half of aleppo. then a year later when When Syrian army was close to encircle aleppo , a third offensive start with a new set of foreign mercenaries under the ISIS label this time. thats when things began to go downhill ,since Syrian army was spread in all Syria in all cities. Israel will its small army will have not survived such invasion from a NATO /Gulf coalition with their small army. on top of brutal economic sanctions.
Syrian army is doing a miracle in holding such brutal attack from the most powerful nations of the world . less than 30 planes of Russia airforce have allowed to keep NATO airforce away from bombing syrian army and help their offensive. The Syrian army deserve some credit for not quiting ,when they could just choose to leave the country and not fight. Not many nations in the world will dare to Fight to defend it nation and fight for its independence a US/Gulf Coalition and risk a war with them.
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. All it takes is a sober look at what the SAA, together with the VKS, have achieved and you'll get the picture perfectly.
Walther von Oldenburg
