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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:21 pm

    Even if this is not true it will probably be causing a few sleepless night.

    72nd OMBR is sending cannons to Kiev, demanding the nomination of Gennady Korban to Ukrainian president, reported the press service of LPR with reference to its sources in the 72nd Separate mechanized brigade (72 OMBR) of the Armed forces of Ukraine.

    "Soldiers of the 72 OMBR who have deserted from their places of permanent deployment are gathering in Kiev to hold a rally against Poroshenko and his officials. Among the demands of the military to Kiev authorities is to pay all the back payments and release the curator of the crew of the oligarch, [Kolomoysky] Gennady Korban. Otherwise, the military is ready for radical actions, including the overthrow of the Kiev authorities. The rally is planned on November 8 at the building of the Verkhovna Rada in Kiev", — stated in the LPR report.


    http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/ukrainian-army-brigade-is-preparing.html
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:28 pm

    Yup, all quiet on the ceasefire line...................................

    RusVesna reports that DPR reconnaissance has detected the deployment of Ukrainian Grad’s and tanks near the contact line in the south. Deputy Commander of the Ministry of Defense Corps of the DPR Eduard Basurin stated that 12 RS3O BM-21 Grad units have been detected 24 km from the contact line in Mariupol in addition to the arrival of 10 tanks 12 km from the contact line near Volnovakha.

    This is in clear violation of the Minsk Agreements signed on February 12 which require that all weapons with a calibre of 100mm or higher be removed at least 50km from the contact line fixed in a memorandum to the Minsk Agreements on September 19. RC3O’s are supposed to be withdrawn at least 70 km, and RS3O Tornado’s, Hurricane’s, and Cyclone’s, along with “Tochka” rockets are stipulated to be as far as 140 km from the front.

    On November 5 at approximately 20:00 it was reported that the UAF shelled western Donetsk, Spartak and Zhabichevo (Zhabunki) from Grad installations in the village of Staromikhailovka. The three Grad volleys which hit Donetsk were accompanied by small arms fire. The bombardment of Zhabichevo and Spartak (the area of the Donetsk airport) lasted until 5:00 a.m., and unnamed sources have added that the shelling of the northern outskirts of the city was conducted by 82 mm mortars.


    Much more at http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/sitrep-changes-afoot-in-novorossiya.html


    On the other hand, from Interfax

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is attending a meeting of the Normandy Quartet foreign ministers, which has started in Berlin. The meeting, which is also being attended by the foreign ministers of Germany, France and Ukraine, is taking place behind closed doors.

    The meeting between Lavrov, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, Laurent Fabius and Pavlo Klimkin is their first since the Quartet's leaders met in Paris on October 2.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:18 pm

    The Rada in Kiev is continuing in its plan to teach the West the proper way to behave in their parliaments.

    A fight broke out between the deputy/volunteer battalion commander, Andrei Tetruk (elected from the People's front of Arseniy Yatsenyuk) and deputy Alexandra Kuzhel (from Batkivshchyna of Yulia Tymoshenko) in Verkhovnaya Rada of Ukraine. A former participant of the ATO hit a female colleague on the head with a bottle during the discussion after the meeting of parliament.

    Fuller details at http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/yatsenyuks-deputy-hit-timoshenkos.html
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:22 pm

    More cash for the 'inside' track boys and girls?

    On November 6, the Cabinet will consider the proposals of the Economic Development and Trade Ministry on the approval of market-based wages for the directors of state-owned companies.

    "This is a prerequisite for changing managers and eliminating corruption in state-owned enterprises," the Ministry of Economic Development reported on Facebook.

    The ministry noted that state companies have enough funds to provide market wages for honest and professional managers. As an example, the ministry cited PJSC Ukrgazvydobuvannia, at which new board chairman Oleh Prokhorenko restored order in the procurement system, which allowed the company to save UAH 350 million in only four months.

    "Professional and honest managers can more than pay market wages – it's time to make a principled decision," the ministry said.

    A government source told Interfax-Ukraine that after tenders to select the heads of state enterprise Ukrspyrt and PJSC Centrenergo failed, a review of their terms should be carried out and market wages should be offered. Also, additional barriers on participating in tenders should be removed, in particular, the Ukrainian nationality and language skills requirements.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/302126.html
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:15 pm

    Some of thought that the heavy weaponry was supposed to have all gone but hey, better late than never!

    "The discussions and the outcome of the 'Normandy Four' ministerial meeting turned out to be better than we expected," Steinmeier told a news briefing following the talks.

    As a result of the talks, the conflicting sides could agree heavy weaponry pullout along the contact line in Donbas by the end of November-middle of December, and coordinate mine clearing operations in the conflict zone by the end of November, Steinmeier said.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151106/1029720582/steimeier-normandy-four-talks.html#ixzz3qjTeXHll



    Then Lavrov said (via Interfax)


    Minsk agreements to remain in place until fully implemented - Lavrov The deadline for implementation of the Minsk agreement will be postponed until next year, the agreements will remain in place until they are implemented in full, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said. "No one doubts that the Minsk agreements will remain in place until they are fully implemented," he told a press conference after a Normandy Quartet meeting in Berlin on Friday.


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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:44 pm

    Left Behind: Life in Purgatory on the Ukrainian Front Lines

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/ukraine-war-makes-life-difficult-for-those-on-front-lines-a-1060894.html

    Trade has slowly resumed between Kiev and Donetsk despite the ongoing trade embargo, but life for those who live on the frontlines in Ukraine remains difficult. And war could return to the region at any moment.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:23 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote: Left Behind: Life in Purgatory on the Ukrainian Front Lines

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/ukraine-war-makes-life-difficult-for-those-on-front-lines-a-1060894.html

    Trade has slowly resumed between Kiev and Donetsk despite the ongoing trade embargo, but life for those who live on the frontlines in Ukraine remains difficult. And war could return to the region at any moment.
    Quite a thoughtful article, with a view from both sides. Not a lot of optimism in it.
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    Post  Khepesh on Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:22 pm

    Interesting article about now the war in Donbass has become a disaster for Ukranian Army. It is mostly about how worthless Muzhenko is, but it also, without actually saying this, shows how the ATO has become a "business" for senior commanders. The article says Ukraine now has two four star generals, nine three star generals and admirals, 41 two star generals and vice-admirals and 149 one star generals and rear-admirals, meaning that for every 935 soldiers of all other ranks there is at least a one star general. Officers of general rank in Ukraine of course get a good wage and tend to get appointed not for their competance, but by their friends. This also shows an army that is decadent and looks in it's structure like an army that has been at peace for decades, not one involved in the biggest war in Europe since 1945. 60% of these new generals have appeared since last year. It also re-iterates the casualty figures again of 24,000 dead, 54,000 wounded, at least nine thousand missing and non combat losses of 1,309 which include 873 suicides. Most of the info about specific actions, Izvarino, Ilovaisk, Telmanovo, Debaltsevo etc have been covered in depth by other commentators, but here is a good synopsis and dealing specifically with the actions, or inactions as is the case, by Muzhenko. http://rusila.su/2015/11/06/itogi-vojny-v-donbasse-stali-katastrofoj-dlya-armii-ukrainy/
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Nov 07, 2015 2:43 pm

    Different take on last weeks ammo fire


    Last week’s activity within the UAF confirms the trends that have made themselves evident in earlier weeks, namely the efforts to consolidate the equipment that’s still operational and competent personnel in a small number of high-readiness units, while relegating the rest of the armed forces to garrison duty or manning fortifications and/or checkpoints.

    The UAF’s core are the six “mobile” brigades formed on the basis of airmobile brigades and “heavied up” through the addition of artillery and tanks.

    These units, like the 95th Airmobile Brigade depicted above, have been engaging in exercises which seem calculated for their PR effect – no exercise goes without a requisite and lengthy TV report which, incidentally, gives an idea of how these units are equipped. Interestingly, the mobile brigades seem to be using mainly T-80 MBTs taken out of storage, rather than T-64BV, Bulat, or Oplot is really indicative of the dire situation within UAF’s tank forces. The use of the gas-turbine powered T-80 seems to be motivated by the fact that there aren’t enough fully operational T-64BV left–that tank fleet has been heavily worn down by the last year and a half of fighting and frontline deployment. While the T-80 is an even more maintenance-intensive tank than the T-64, those tanks have not yet been ground down.

    A similar trend of consolidation is also evident in the military aviation. The main effort appears to be aimed at maintaining a force of Su-25 attack aircraft, with 19 aircraft believed to be still operational as of early November 2015.

    An ammunition storage facility in Svatovo, a town in the still Ukraine-occupied part of Novorossia, blew up for unclear reasons. The facility was reported to have stored, among other things, ammunition for the 300mm Smerch MRLs, but there are also report the munitions stored there included Buk surface to air missiles. Therefore the fire might have been an effort to cover up illegal arms and ammunition sales, or even possibly an effort to cover up the MH17 shoot-down.

    After all, it is a well-established fact that UAF Buk systems were deployed to the frontline during the war, and since the investigation of the MH17 catastrophe is still continuing, it may well be that the missile stockpiles had to be destroyed in order to conceal evidence that the Dutch investigators were looking for. The missile that shot down the MH17 had a serial and batch number, with UAF in all likelihood having other missiles belonging to the same batch. Therefore destroying them would remove an important piece of evidence implicating Ukraine.

    Therefore it is no surprise that Poroshenko has authorized foreigners to serve in the Ukrainian military. Whether he will find many takers is questionable, however, Poroshenko has to resort to such desperate measures suggests the manpower shortage within the UAF has reached critical levels.

    For that reason, the fact that Ukroboronprom is coming up with more and new ideas to provide Ukraine’s virtual soldiers with equally virtual weapons should not be surprising. The latest is the FICV, or Future Infantry Combat Vehicle, a heavy IFV of a completely new design that is supposedly in the works at the Morozov Design Bureau in Kharkov. However, so far nothing has been seen of it other than the computer graphics.

    Predictably (and as predicted in an earlier edition of UMR), Ukroboronprom has a harder time of building actual vehicles than computer images of such vehicles.

    Ukraine has been forced to renegotiate with Thailand the delivery schedule for the Oplot-M MBT, with now only 10 (TEN, Karl!) tanks scheduled to be delivered in 2016. That’s less than one tank a month. If that’s the best that Ukraine can do, the plans to re-equip the UAF with these tanks are most likely to remain on paper. One has to consider that the Oplot-M contract with Thailand is the single most important Ukroboronprom project at present time. In addition to the sheer prestige, it represents a significant source of foreign currency for the Kiev junta. The failure to maintain the terms of delivery (so far only 5 of 15 tanks scheduled for 2015 have been delivered, and it’s already November…) is suggestive of considerable decline within the Ukrainian defense industry.


    http://southfront.org/07-11-2015-ukraine-military-report/
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    Post  franco on Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:32 pm

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/dugin-war-donbass-will-be-imposed-us-washington-and-kiev/ri10997

    Hard to see the war not restarting at some time, article is an interesting Russian perspective.
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    Post  franco on Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:00 am

    Even the Western media is starting to question Ukraine's chances;

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-06/unreformed-ukraine-is-self-destructing
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:34 am

    Further evidence that Putins actions were correct.

    If a real full scale war had broken out the west would have easily turned it to their advantage the way they did in Kosovo etc and just fuelled the flames.
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    Post  Rodinazombie on Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:15 am

    franco wrote:Even the Western media is starting to question Ukraine's chances;

    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-11-06/unreformed-ukraine-is-self-destructing

    Good but surprising article, especially how they describe the us embassy in kiev as the 'centre of power' in ukraine. Saddens me though that westerners and its media are only realising what we knew almost two years ago now.
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    Post  wilhelm on Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:43 am

    I'm a westerner and knew from the very beginning what was going on. Although clearly a minority, i'm not the only one as this forum shows. Scum like McCain, nuland, pyatt and westerwalle didn't even bother to hide what was happening. They're the ones with blood on their hands.
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    Post  franco on Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:20 pm

    And the West believe that Donbas will remain part of Ukraine;
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA3KaWWY4EQ
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:32 pm

    Wow, at least one type of business is/was (take your pick) booming under the radar (ground) in Ukraine. No doubt only the ownership will have changed.

    The representatives of several major clothing companies including Adidas, Nike and Dsquared have appealed to Ukrainian law enforcement, demanding that they look into the serious problem of counterfeit goods featuring their logos being churned out en masse in the port city of Odessa. On Sunday, police reported a break in the case.

    On Sunday, Ukrainian news agency UNIAN reported that city police had discovered an entire underground factory making knockoffs of clothing and fragrances including Chanel, Adidas, Nike, Kenzo and Dsquared. The underground sewing workshop, which officially belongs to a 44-year-old Odessa woman, was searched by police, after which over a thousand pieces of merchandize, a dozen sewing machines and over 50 devices for the application of counterfeit brand markings were seized. "The equipment has been seized for further analysis by experts," police explained. A criminal case has now been opened against the underground factory under a law banning the 'illegal use of a trademark for the sale of goods and services,' which carries with it a maximum prison sentence of five years.

    Odessa has been considered a major source for counterfeit goods finding their way into Ukraine and elsewhere in Eastern Europe for years. The city's underground factories have long been known for the production of knockoff watches, purses, handbags, jewelry, clothing and fragrances from major European and American brands. Illegal immigrants from Vietnam, often working in poor and hazardous conditions, are believed to contribute to much of the production of the knockoff clothing items.

    Late last month, city officials reported the discovery of a major factory staffed by over thirty people, churning out fakes of brands including Dolce & Gabbana, Louis Vuitton, Gucci and Lamborghini, among others. Eight similar underground factories have been discovered by authorities since July.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151108/1029781836/counterfeit-odessa.html#ixzz3qvU24E7m
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    Post  Khepesh on Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:35 pm

    Fighting with particulary heavy use of mortars, tanks and infantry has been taking place all along the front at Gorlovka and the usual areas by the airport. This fighting has now spread down the west side of Donetsk to Staromikhailovka.
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    Post  auslander on Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:34 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Fighting with particulary heavy use of mortars, tanks and infantry has been taking place all along the front at Gorlovka and the usual areas by the airport. This fighting has now spread down the west side of Donetsk to Staromikhailovka.

    This was to be expected with the current involvement of Russia in Syria, a little something to attempt to distract VVP. Won't work but it remains to be seen how strong the fighting gets. I have just returned and I am laid up a bit.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:28 pm

    auslander wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Fighting with particulary heavy use of mortars, tanks and infantry has been taking place all along the front at Gorlovka and the usual areas by the airport. This fighting has now spread down the west side of Donetsk to Staromikhailovka.

    This was to be expected with the current involvement of Russia in Syria, a little something to attempt to distract VVP. Won't work but it remains to be seen how strong the fighting gets. I have just returned and I am laid up a bit.
    Good to see you back, hopefully safe and sound.

    As you say, Ukraine is probably no longer on VVP's horizon, with the aircrash and Syria it will have been delegated down the line.

    In addition, following the success in Syria, it is possible that the 'sod it, what have we got to lose, lets hit the bastards properly' trigger point is now lower. So there will be RA Command and Control centres from Rostov to Moscow itching for Poro to make the wrong move.

    Its just not written in history that its only the RuAF that defends Russia's interests (publicly at least). After all, every old established Army around the world regards their Air Force as upstarts. Let alone what the Navy thinks!
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    Post  sepheronx on Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:31 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Fighting with particulary heavy use of mortars, tanks and infantry has been taking place all along the front at Gorlovka and the usual areas by the airport. This fighting has now spread down the west side of Donetsk to Staromikhailovka.

    This was to be expected with the current involvement of Russia in Syria, a little something to attempt to distract VVP. Won't work but it remains to be seen how strong the fighting gets. I have just returned and I am laid up a bit.
    Good to see you back, hopefully safe and sound.

    As you say, Ukraine is probably no longer on VVP's horizon, with the aircrash and Syria it will have been delegated down the line.

    In addition, following the success in Syria, it is possible that the 'sod it, what have we got to lose, lets hit the bastards properly' trigger point is now lower. So there will be RA Command and Control centres from Rostov to Moscow itching for Poro to make the wrong move.

    Its just not written in history that its only the RuAF that defends Russia's interests (publicly at least). After all, every old established Army around the world regards their Air Force as upstarts. Let alone what the Navy thinks!

    Russia's contingent in Syria is so small in the grand scheme of things, there is no way that any distraction can happen. This is far too easy to delegate for Putin compared to something like what US got themselves in (Afghanistan, Iraq and parts of Syria, etc).
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    Post  auslander on Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:27 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Fighting with particulary heavy use of mortars, tanks and infantry has been taking place all along the front at Gorlovka and the usual areas by the airport. This fighting has now spread down the west side of Donetsk to Staromikhailovka.

    This was to be expected with the current involvement of Russia in Syria, a little something to attempt to distract VVP. Won't work but it remains to be seen how strong the fighting gets. I have just returned and I am laid up a bit.
    Good to see you back, hopefully safe and sound.

    As you say, Ukraine is probably no longer on VVP's horizon, with the aircrash and Syria it will have been delegated down the line.

    In addition, following the success in Syria, it is possible that the 'sod it, what have we got to lose, lets hit the bastards properly' trigger point is now lower. So there will be RA Command and Control centres from Rostov to Moscow itching for Poro to make the wrong move.

    Its just not written in history that its only the RuAF that defends Russia's interests (publicly at least). After all, every old established Army around the world regards their Air Force as upstarts. Let alone what the Navy thinks!

    I think Mr. Poroshenko has been told by his masters to stir up trouble, pure and simple. Fools be they, one can imagine that Mr. Putin can well manage Syria and some moron for 404 making trouble at the same time. Problem for 404 is if Mr. Putin gives Opolchensya the green light they will end up making an agreement with the Poles for the return of Lemberg and the surrounding area to Poland as long as the Poles build a fence to keep the Poles in Poland, take what they want east and south of the Dnepr and let west of the Dnepr go to Hades in a hand basket for all Opolchensya cares.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:08 am

    A relatively old news, I forgot to notice it.

    https://www.rt.com/politics/320869-communists-ask-russian-govt-to/

    Two communist MPs have asked PM Dmitry Medvedev to issue a lifelong ban for entering Russia for Ukrainian police and military who waged war against people’s militia in the Donetsk and Lugansk Regions of that country.

    “We are asking you, in cooperation with law enforcement bodies, to create the fullest possible list of persons who were taking an active part in the so-called ‘anti-terrorist operation’ [in eastern Ukraine] in order to issue them with a lifelong ban from entering Russia,” reads the letter by Valery Rashkin and Sergey Obukhov.

    Copies of the letter have been also forwarded to the head of the Federal Migration Service, the prosecutor general, interior minister, director of the Federal Security Service and the head of the Investigative Committee.
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    Post  Khepesh on Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:48 pm

    Two items in Basurin's briefing today stand out. First that ukrops are putting Grad units into Dzerzhinsk, presumably to resume the high level of bombardment of Gorlovka that was happening before the "ceasefire". Dzerzhinsk is within the zone where they cannot have such weapons of course. Second that T-64 Bulat are identified at Krasnogorovka. Apart from them being there is a break of Minsk, it shows, presumably but not fully, that ukrops First Seperate Tank Brigade, or part of the brigade is now at the front in a critical area. Basurin of course never makes comment, only the bare fact of what is where and what has happened since his previous briefing, so we have to extrapolate and guess what may happen next.
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    Post  auslander on Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:53 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Two items in Basurin's briefing today stand out. First that ukrops are putting Grad units into Dzerzhinsk, presumably to resume the high level of bombardment of Gorlovka that was happening before the "ceasefire". Dzerzhinsk is within the zone where they cannot have such weapons of course. Second that T-64 Bulat are identified at Krasnogorovka. Apart from them being there is a break of Minsk, it shows, presumably but not fully, that ukrops First Seperate Tank Brigade, or part of the brigade is now at the front in a critical area. Basurin of course never makes comment, only the bare fact of what is where and what has happened since his previous briefing, so we have to extrapolate and guess what may happen next.

    I have often said the orcs will not stop, they can not stop. The violations will be credited to the 'uncontrollable volunteer battalions', the same battalions that immediately ceased operations when Mutti told them to couple months ago. It is patently obvious that Mutti and DC have given permission for aggressions to continue. I predict that bombardments will slowly increase to the same tempo of January this year. The World will be silent until Opolchensya moves their hardware back to the line, then they will scream that NAF is violating the agreements. So be it. The war will start again, actually according to our son it never ended, simply the media disappeared.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:20 pm

    VIENNA, November 9. /TASS/. The Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s (OSCE) Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) to Ukraine confirmed on Monday the fact of shelling of the city of Donetsk in the southeast of the country from the Grad multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS). The attack on the city was launched from the northwest, the SMM observers’ report for the past weekend says.

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    According to the observers, fragments of a shell found in the territory of a private household in the Kuibyshev district of the city allowed them to make a conclusion that the attack was launched from the Grad MLRS.

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    According to the SMM report, "Following up on information about a potential multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) attack in "DPR"-controlled Donetsk city, the SMM visited on 7 November the city’s Kuibyshevsky district. The owner of the affected house described to the SMM the details of the attack and confirmed its timing. The SMM observed a 30cm hole on the roof and wall of the house’s patio, caused by a projectile that penetrated from a north-westerly direction. It found in the patio two pieces of a large tube, which were consistent with the remnants of an MLRS projectile, most likely a BM-21 (Grad, 122mm) type. Other remnants of the projectile, including an unexploded warhead, were found in the garden. The SMM assessed that the dust and the projectile residues were fresh - and the SMM could smell the odour left by a recent explosion."

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