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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:22 pm

    MOSCOW, November 9. /TASS/. The self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) intelligence registered the return of 10 units of heavy weaponry to the contact line in Donbas, DPR defense ministry spokesman Eduard Basurin said on Monday. "Four D-30 howitzers were spotted near the Luhanskoye settlement [on Donetsk’s outskirts], and two Grad multiple rocket launcher systems were seen in Dzerzhinsk [to the north-west of Gorlovka].Four self-propelled artillery systems were also spotted near the Novgorodskoye settlement [in Gorlovka’s west]," Donetsk News Agency quoted Basurin as saying. Three T-64 tanks were also spotted by intelligence as they arrived to Krasnogorovka located 10 kilometers from the contact line in Donbas, he added.

    The supplement to the Package of measures on implementing the Minsk Agreements from 12 February 2015 was agreed upon on September 29 at the negotiations of the Contact Group in Minsk. The supplement envisages withdrawal of tanks, artillery weapons of less than 100mm caliber, and mortars of equal to or less than 120mm caliber to a distance of 15 kilometers from the contact line in Donbas.

    The process of withdrawal that started on October 3 and is expected to be completed in 41 days is monitored by representatives of the Joint Center for Control and Coordination (JCCC). They send reports on the withdrawal progress to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) Special Monitoring Mission (SMM).

    Ukrainian forces violate ceasefire regime 11 times over last 24 hours. According to DPR defense ministry, Ukrainian forces have violated ceasefire regime 11 times over the last 24 hours on the territory of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic. Ukrainian forces "continued to provoke DPR Armed Forces over the last 24 hours to open fire at the positions of nationalist battalions. Yesterday they violated ceasefire 11 times," Donetsk News Agency quoted a DPR defense ministry spokesperson as saying.

    According to DPR defense ministry, Kiev forces shelled the Volvo Center near the Donetsk airport, Zhabunki settlement on Donetsk’s northern outskirts, settlements of Ozeryanovka and Panteleymonovka in Golvoka’s south-west. More than 30 mines were fired at the DPR territory.

    Ukrainian forces also opened fire from large-caliber firearms at settlements to the north and north-west of Gorlovka (Zaytsevo, mine 6-7) and Shirokaya Balka settlement.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:33 pm

    For balance, the view today from Kiev of the events above, from Interfax

    Ukrainian side of JCCC says militants' shelling may disrupt arms withdrawal. The Ukrainian part of the Joint Center for Control and Coordination (JCCC) has said militants of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics are trying to destabilize Donbas and stage provocations that threaten to disrupt the arms withdrawal process. "Tensions along the contact line abruptly escalated on October 18, 2015, when the second stage of arms withdrawal began, exhibiting a lasting trend of further deterioration. In all, in the period from October 18 till November 6 the Ukrainian mission to the JCCC observed 26 violations of the ceasefire and 361 provocative attacks of militants on positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the 'gray zone' aimed to incite Ukrainian Armed Forces units to return fire," says the statement published on the Ukrainian Defense Ministry website on Saturday evening.

    The Ukrainian side of the JCCC sees such activity of militants as purposeful attempts to destabilize the region and their unwillingness to meet the obligation to cease fire and to reduce tensions along the contact line. "As a result, this may disrupt the arms withdrawal process and lead to further escalation of the conflict," the statement said. The Ukrainian army "is ready to adequately and resolutely respond to provocations but their efforts are focused on the fulfillment of the Minsk agreements," it said.

    The Ukrainian side of the JCCC said also that the latest escalation of tensions happened during preparations for a meeting of foreign ministers in the 'Normandy format' in Berlin. "Over the past day alone, November 6, shift officers of the Ukrainian mission to the JCCC observed 26 provocative attacks on positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces by use of small arms, large-caliber machineguns and grenade launchers," the document said.

    The shelling incidents are obstructing demining operations and repairs done ahead of the winter season which may cause a humanitarian catastrophe in the region, the JCCC said. "If the practice of provocative shelling on ATO positions and peaceful populated areas goes on, the Ukrainian mission to the JCCC will have to propose that the situation be discussed at the Trilateral Contact Group," the statement said.

    Besides, the Ukrainian side of the JCCC expressed its concern about ongoing restricted access of OSCE SMM monitors to weapon storage sites in DPR and LPR territories and obstruction of flights of OSCE drones by radio-electronic warfare means. "In the opinion of the Ukrainian mission to the JCCC, an expansion of the OSCE SMM, the installation of surveillance cameras in the Donetsk airport zone and Shyrokyne and the activity of unmanned aerial vehicles will help objectively assess the situation. The Ukrainian side is ready to make an input in the resolution of the aforesaid problems," the statement said.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:36 pm

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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:06 pm

    How stooges of the US empire talk about Russia.. Lies lies and more lies .



    If anyone thinks for a second his speech was not carefully planned by a a propaganda
    machine of the west.. think again. That was not an spontaneous conference ,he clearly was trained by a propaganda agency for bullshit and propaganda and was even making pauses to read his script/Show that was on his paper... lol

    He basically blames Putin for all , for the Mh-17 ,for the Ukraine war, for Georgia war.. (when Putin was not President) for Moldova.. etc and his conclusion is that only when "Putin's regime"
    collapse as soviet union did ,then the cold war will end. lol1
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    Post  franco on Mon Nov 09, 2015 10:59 pm

    Ukraine to recruit mercenaries;
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    Post  Vann7 on Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:29 am



    VICE neocons news media does it again.. lol1

    Now is trying to create a storm in a cup of water over what they call..

    "Russia occupation of Georgia" and aggression.. lol1



    The goes and create a whole report of one hour ,demonizing Russia , all based about
    an old farmer that was apparently arrested and later released 4 days later. For showing
    up in the security border between Russia and Georgia.. a Family member of the arrested
    man.. asked him..what he was doing on the south ossetian security fence. why he was there..
    and obvious statement that there was no reason for him to be there. lol1

    And then you have Simon from Vice ,speaking with NATO secretary propaganda general
    and he throw more Jabs at Russian supposed aggression and Russian invasion of Georgia.. lol
    Totally missreporting the fact that it was Georgia who attacked Russia and it was Georgia who
    killed Civilians and Russia interference happened only after their soldiers were bombed and south ossetians civilians killed. This is how you maintain an Empire ,with Mountain of LIES
    and propaganda like VICE ,to try to pass as "independent" and poison people minds with lies.
    THis is the same channel who refused for 1 year to report that Ukrainian army was bombing civilians women and children... instead it reported the casualties were "consequences of the war"..and if it was a "collateral damage" and not a war crime.

    and if that was not enough the VICE comments is filled with trolls ,armies of NGO bots ,,demonizing Russia. comparing Putin with Hitler.. all for what? for 1 elder man who was arrested for interrogation for being close to the security fence and later released without any sign of torture or beaten. Some of them demanding more sanctions on Russia Wink
    Will not be surprised if all the posters were Pentagon employeers on their lunch break.. lol1
    So propaganda at best.. Now Russia is an agressor of Georgia ,Ukraine ,moldova and Syria.
    and will invade Soon baltics.. lol1


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    Post  sepheronx on Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:45 am

    Meh. At this point the western media is doing its job. But clearly it barely convinces the masses. This propaganda is cheap and silly and wont change a thing at all. After a rdiculous amount of years of Anti Russian propaganda, what has it accomplished? Nothing. Much like the N Korean propaganda.

    For some reason, people believe that the opinions of the mass makes any real difference. Just makes it easier to control their masses, thats all. Even with the all the viewers of RT, and the so called backlash of the media on US and their bombings of the Afghanistan hospital, what has it changed? Nothing other than cheap appologise and them trying to pin more blame on Russia.

    What matters is Russians opinions in Russia and the opinions of their nearby friends. Clearly the propaganda isnt working as it was intended.
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    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:47 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    VICE neocons news media does it again..  lol1

    Now is trying to create a storm in a cup of water over what they call..

    "Russia occupation of Georgia" and aggression..  lol1

    Didn't even lose my time watching it, but one can wonder: who would want to leave Russia and go to Georgia? It is not exactly a democratic paradise or a thriving economy. Quite on the contrary, Georgians are very fond of immigrating looking for better oportunities, especially to Russia (25%-30% of Georgians live and work there, most of them ilegally, and the money they transfer to their relatives is a very important income source).
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    Post  Ispan on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:53 am

    General "warming up" of hostilities all along the front

    Grad and mortars against Donetsk and the airport

    http://tass.ru/en/world/835017

    http://tass.ru/en/world/835073

    Now they tried to attack in Debaltsevo

    http://tass.ru/en/world/835082

    ..andd fighting with the use of mortars and rifles near Lebedynske, East of Mariupol





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    Post  SturmGuard on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:53 am

    I stumbled upon information that UAF attacked in the direction of Debaltsevo during the night, heavy weapons used as well. Can someone confirm or clarify, bring more details?

    EDIT: Thanks von Junzt Smile missed by a second.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:09 pm

    Ispan wrote:General "warming up" of hostilities all along the front

    Grad and mortars against Donetsk and the airport

    http://tass.ru/en/world/835017

    http://tass.ru/en/world/835073

    Now they tried to attack in Debaltsevo

    http://tass.ru/en/world/835082

    ..andd fighting with the use of mortars and rifles near Lebedynske, East of Mariupol





    OMG don't they learn anything?
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    Post  auslander on Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:17 pm

    I think they have learned very well, they've had over 6 months of intensive training from various EU and US units. Never underestimate your enemy. If it comes to a renewal of hostilities, and I have no doubts that it will, this one will be the hard and strong one. NAF will prevail but The World will scream bloody murder about a RAF intervention, that because no one but Russia can defeat the brave and intrepid warriors of the OAF.


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    Post  Neutrality on Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:26 pm

    Time to invest in shares of Ukrainian coffin makers.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:51 pm

    I'm trying to think when the battle at Debaltsevo was?? I know there was snow on the ground.

    Just thinking about winter, Spring, etc.

    I haven't seen any trucks from Russia bringing humanitarian aid in a while. Is the train running from Russia to Donetsk??
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    Post  auslander on Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:18 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:I'm trying to think when the battle at Debaltsevo was?? I know there was snow on the ground.

    Just thinking about winter, Spring, etc.

    I haven't seen any trucks from Russia bringing humanitarian aid in a while. Is the train running from Russia to Donetsk??

    Debaltsyevo started within seconds after Minsk 2 was signed.

    Humanitarian aid is still coming to Novorossiya frequently, it's just not publicized so much most of the time. Rail system is working but the worry is one orc with a mine can cause a large, expensive and quite probably deadly accident.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:33 pm

    Thanks, auslander!
    Your post made me think of WW2 and partisans guarding railroads. I reckon there is still plenty for the Militia to do, and that they are doing even with Minks agreement.
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    Post  max steel on Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:57 pm

    Ukrainian flag symbolizes a lake of pee under the blue sky
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    Post  auslander on Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:29 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Thanks, auslander!
    Your post made me think of WW2 and partisans guarding railroads. I reckon there is still plenty for the Militia to do, and that they are doing even with Minks agreement.

    You are most welcome, my lady. Yes, much work for the local eyes and ears to do and I fear it will be some years before total peace reigns in Novorossiya. The coming fighting will be very hard, this will be the orc's big push. They will lose but the cost to our boys and girls will be very high.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:47 pm

    auslander wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Thanks, auslander!
    Your post made me think of WW2 and partisans guarding railroads. I reckon there is still plenty for the Militia to do, and that they are doing even with Minks agreement.

    You are most welcome, my lady. Yes, much work for the local eyes and ears to do and I fear it will be some years before total peace reigns in Novorossiya. The coming fighting will be very hard, this will be the orc's big push. They will lose but the cost to our boys and girls will be very high.

    Auslander, you said you been to Kiev to sort out passport recently, any interesting observations or stories to tell?
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    Post  Khepesh on Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:50 pm

    Apart from there not being an artillery bombardment it all looks like August again. Small scale fighting tonight from the front by Telmanovo to Gorlovka. IMO, this fighting has never been a serious provocation. If Kiev wanted to seriously provoke an attack they would make significant attacks on Lugansk because they can threaten to cut it off from the border, but they do almost nothing in that area and will not unless they are having considerable success at Donetsk with a major offensive. Last year they made a serious attempt to cut off Lugansk but failed because they could not deal with major operations at Lugansk and Donetsk at the same time, and Lugansk is within easy reach of help and I doubt they will attack Lugansk again with anything other than long range artillery bombarment. Kiev may even have secretly decided not to make any attempt to regain Lugansk and settle for Donetsk, which could be shown as a major victory, and the permanent loss of Lugansk for Kiev as a price worth paying. What ukrops are doing is certainly provocative, but it is probing defences and psychological warfare on civilians and preperation for their offensive. I wrote before, this is long out of the hands of Novorossiya, it is all about what Kiev does, or is told to do next.
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    Post  Ispan on Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:24 pm


    Another sign of a impending offensive?

    http://novorossia.today/uaf-redeployed-to-donbass-two-squadrons-of-military-helicopters/

    The intelligence of the Donetsk People’s Republic fixed the arrival of Ukrainian military helicopters, artillery and tanks in occupied settlements in the Gorlovka direction. It has been reported today by the representative of the DPR’s Defence Ministry Eduard Basurin.

    ‘We were informed about the arrival of 2 squadrons of military helicopters to the town Konstantinovka (town to the north-west from Gorlovka), tanks were revealed in the settlement Zhovanka (town from the north from Gorlovka), artillery and self-propelled guns are in the settlement Novosvetlovka (region of Krasniyliman)’, it was said by Eduard Basuri
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    Post  Lenny1983 on Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:57 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    VICE neocons news media does it again..  lol1

    Now is trying to create a storm in a cup of water over what they call..

    "Russia occupation of Georgia" and aggression..  lol1



    The goes and create a whole report of one hour ,demonizing Russia , all based about
    an old farmer that was apparently arrested and later released 4 days later. For showing
    up in the security border between Russia and Georgia.. a Family member of the arrested
    man.. asked him..what he was doing on the south ossetian security fence. why he was there..
    and obvious statement that there was no reason for him to be there.  lol1

    And then you have Simon from Vice ,speaking with NATO secretary propaganda general
    and he throw more Jabs at Russian supposed aggression and Russian invasion of Georgia.. lol
    Totally missreporting the fact that it was Georgia who attacked Russia and it was Georgia who
    killed Civilians and Russia interference happened only after their soldiers were bombed and south ossetians civilians killed.  This is how you maintain an Empire ,with Mountain of LIES
    and propaganda like VICE ,to try to pass as "independent" and poison people minds with lies.
    THis is the same channel who refused for 1 year to report that Ukrainian army was bombing civilians women and children... instead it reported the casualties were "consequences of the war"..and if it was a "collateral damage" and not a war crime.

    and if that was not enough the VICE comments is filled with trolls ,armies of NGO bots ,,demonizing Russia. comparing Putin with Hitler.. all for what? for 1 elder man who was arrested for interrogation for being close to the security fence and later released without any sign of torture or beaten. Some of them demanding more sanctions on Russia  Wink
    Will not be surprised if all the posters were Pentagon employeers on their lunch break..  lol1
    So propaganda at best.. Now Russia is an agressor of Georgia ,Ukraine ,moldova and Syria.
    and will invade Soon baltics..  lol1




    What an effing joke. i used to like his reports, but to be honest this is just getting ridiculous now. dunno
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:02 am

    Lenny1983 wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    VICE neocons news media does it again..  lol1

    Now is trying to create a storm in a cup of water over what they call..

    "Russia occupation of Georgia" and aggression..  lol1



    The goes and create a whole report of one hour ,demonizing Russia , all based about
    an old farmer that was apparently arrested and later released 4 days later. For showing
    up in the security border between Russia and Georgia.. a Family member of the arrested
    man.. asked him..what he was doing on the south ossetian security fence. why he was there..
    and obvious statement that there was no reason for him to be there.  lol1

    And then you have Simon from Vice ,speaking with NATO secretary propaganda general
    and he throw more Jabs at Russian supposed aggression and Russian invasion of Georgia.. lol
    Totally missreporting the fact that it was Georgia who attacked Russia and it was Georgia who
    killed Civilians and Russia interference happened only after their soldiers were bombed and south ossetians civilians killed.  This is how you maintain an Empire ,with Mountain of LIES
    and propaganda like VICE ,to try to pass as "independent" and poison people minds with lies.
    THis is the same channel who refused for 1 year to report that Ukrainian army was bombing civilians women and children... instead it reported the casualties were "consequences of the war"..and if it was a "collateral damage" and not a war crime.

    and if that was not enough the VICE comments is filled with trolls ,armies of NGO bots ,,demonizing Russia. comparing Putin with Hitler.. all for what? for 1 elder man who was arrested for interrogation for being close to the security fence and later released without any sign of torture or beaten. Some of them demanding more sanctions on Russia  Wink
    Will not be surprised if all the posters were Pentagon employeers on their lunch break..  lol1
    So propaganda at best.. Now Russia is an agressor of Georgia ,Ukraine ,moldova and Syria.
    and will invade Soon baltics..  lol1




    What an effing joke. i used to like his reports, but to be honest this is just getting ridiculous now. dunno

    You used to like Semyon reports? For their comedy value i suppose/
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    Post  auslander on Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:03 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Thanks, auslander!
    Your post made me think of WW2 and partisans guarding railroads. I reckon there is still plenty for the Militia to do, and that they are doing even with Minks agreement.

    You are most welcome, my lady. Yes, much work for the local eyes and ears to do and I fear it will be some years before total peace reigns in Novorossiya. The coming fighting will be very hard, this will be the orc's big push. They will lose but the cost to our boys and girls will be very high.

    Auslander, you said you been to Kiev to sort out passport recently, any interesting observations or stories to tell?

    I was misunderstood, I went to US to get the passport. The probability of us making it to and from Kiev is low. That fat prick at embassy in Mockba has forgotten who he works for and is refusing any services to any US citizens residing in Krimea Peninsula. Once my health is back to normal I'll make a report about that trip behind enemy lines. I am appalled at what I saw and heard.
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    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:26 am

    Su-25 from country 404 air force crashed in Zaporozhie. Pilot died in crash.

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