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    Post  sepheronx Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:06 pm

    Khepesh wrote:I don't know, but I will speculate that it is part of making him and others "persona non grata", to demonize them.

    And what would they gain out of demonizing him? It seems pretty well granulated he is a Pro Russian. This would cause much protest in Russia and the Authorities are well aware that their population isnt stupid.
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    Post  Khepesh Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:19 pm

    sepheronx wrote:

    And what would they gain out of demonizing him? It seems pretty well granulated he is a Pro Russian. This would cause much protest in Russia and the Authorities are well aware that their population isnt stupid.
    Difficult question. Who tried to assasinate him last year? nobody knows. Why was he arrested with a group of others in Donetsk in early January this year? nobody knows. Nobody knows about Ishchenko, Bednov, Mozgovoi or exactly why Purgin was purged. Nobody knows anything and those who should know something say nothing. The people are not stupid, but the people have no power and do not control the news, or even the non news of what we are not meant to know. Cynical perhaps, but while there are unexplained deaths....
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:07 pm

    auslander wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:[quote="auslander Looking forward to hearing how Kiev is, word on the street is that people are getting more and more fed up as the ATO has largely grinded to a halt, people still waiting for the promises of wealth for almost two years now, and winter is about to descend upon them. Overall, the situation is very relatable to a pressure cooker left unattended.

    I'm having a lot of trouble posting regularly, but I am still monitoring the development over in 404 and this thread.

    I'm sitting in Florida of the moment, been here the whole time mostly. I will meet with someone who has been in 404 for a while and quite recently. We should have an interesting chat and I'll pass on what I can.


    Waiting to hear more from you,
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:09 pm

    Khepesh wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    And what would they gain out of demonizing him? It seems pretty well granulated he is a Pro Russian. This would cause much protest in Russia and the Authorities are well aware that their population isnt stupid.
    Difficult question. Who tried to assasinate him last year? nobody knows. Why was he arrested with a group of others in Donetsk in early January this year? nobody knows. Nobody knows about Ishchenko, Bednov, Mozgovoi or exactly why Purgin was purged. Nobody knows anything and those who should know something say nothing. The people are not stupid, but the people have no power and do not control the news, or even the non news of what we are not meant to know. Cynical perhaps, but while there are unexplained deaths....

    Somebody knows, but whether they ever talk, they may never.
    Or maybe persons were assassinated so they couldn't talk...
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:18 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:I don't know, but I will speculate that it is part of making him and others "persona non grata", to demonize them.

    And what would they gain out of demonizing him? It seems pretty well granulated he is a Pro Russian. This would cause much protest in Russia and the Authorities are well aware that their population isnt stupid.
    Many of Donbass fighters have been killed by insiders despite being pro-Russian.
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    Post  Ispan Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:51 pm

    TASS: World - Donetsk republic may postpone weaponry withdrawal due to repeated shellings
    http://tass.ru/en/world/833761

    this evening reports

    Ukie tanks in Mayorsk hitting NAF positions in Zaitsevo, northern suburbs of Gorlovka

    Near Avdeevka mass ukie tanks reported , near Marinka ukies are moving heavy caliber artillery in position

    Someone pointed out that the Ukrops have a penchant for attacking on Soviet festivities, thinking they may achieve some degree of surprise, so next likely date for an attack is on 7 November, anniversary of the October Revolution

    From Novorussia Today

    The situation in DPR still remains complicated and tense. The Ukrainian military have violated the ceasefire 14 times over the past 24 hours. The settlement of Spartak was shelled from 82 and 120mm mortars from the positions of the so-called “volunteer battalions» deployed in the settlement of Avdeevka. Besides, the «Volvo-centre» area in Donetsk was shelled from small-arms and AGLs from the settlement of Peski.


    DPR intelligence keeps recording a concentration of Ukrainian servicemen at the demarcation line. The arrival of up to 100 people of the personnel of the battalion Aydar with heavy weapons and vehicles was observed in the settlement of Rozovka.

    The frequency of shellings by the Kiev forces suggests that the Ukrainian authorities have withdrawn from meeting the Minsk Agreements and do not control the actions of the Ukrainian military anymore. Besides, the facts mentioned above clearly indicate a desire to disrupt the withdrawal of mortars scheduled for the near future.

    EDIT:

    Ukranian forces have been given the order to attack under the pretext of returning fire.

    ATO PRESS CENTER: UA commanders on the ground were authorized to open fire in response


    Heavy fights in Donetsk, and now also in the outskirts of Mariupol
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    Post  max steel Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:58 pm

    What Russia Could Look Like in 2035, if Putin Gets His Wish


    PR drivel but still must read.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:38 pm

    Anymore chatter about Yarosh, and Right Sector? I read somewhere that he was arrested, but they let him go.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:53 pm

    Begging bowl out in Kiev again. My highlight

    Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatseniuk has asked the European Commission to help with forming the payroll fund for government employees in Ukraine.

    "The reformation of the system of payment for work and the help of our European partners, which I have already requested from the European commission, is to form the fund for an increase in government employees' salaries. This is being done so that we've got real professionals, those who are aware of what they are doing and those who are able to carry out respective reforms in the system," Yatseniuk said at a cabinet meeting on Wednesday.

    Corruption won't be rooted out if salaries haven't been doubled, he said.

    "We should frankly acknowledge that if we don't increase salaries in the public sector, in the State Fiscal Service, we won't be able to eliminate corruption. And we won't be able to hire professionals, as they would prefer the private sector then if there is no motivation to work in government agencies," Yatseniuk said.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/301584.html
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:15 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Begging bowl out in Kiev again. My highlight

    Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatseniuk has asked the European Commission to help with forming the payroll fund for government employees in Ukraine.

    "The reformation of the system of payment for work and the help of our European partners, which I have already requested from the European commission, is to form the fund for an increase in government employees' salaries. This is being done so that we've got real professionals, those who are aware of what they are doing and those who are able to carry out respective reforms in the system," Yatseniuk said at a cabinet meeting on Wednesday.

    Corruption won't be rooted out if salaries haven't been doubled, he said.

    ..................................


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/301584.html

    You can quadruple it but it will not matter one bit, corruption stays.

    I speak from experience.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:02 am

    Just found this, its a pro Kiev site but the satellite photos in this thread are well worth the look. Lots and lots of trucks!

    Certainly makes a total mockery of the claims by Kiev of thousands of Russian troops, but no photos, last year. These are commercial not HD military too.

    https://informnapalm.org/en/yandex-maps-in-the-service-of-the-kyiv-junta/
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:05 am

    JohninMK wrote:Just found this, its a pro Kiev site but the satellite photos in this thread are well worth the look. Lots and lots of trucks!

    Certainly makes a total mockery of the claims by Kiev of thousands of Russian troops, but no photos, last year. These are commercial not HD military too.

    https://informnapalm.org/en/yandex-maps-in-the-service-of-the-kyiv-junta/

    But it doesnt prove that those are Russians.  Just pictures of locations with pictures of the facilities with people holding guns and outdated gear.  So in other words, Novorussians.  Still doesnt back up the claim of "Russian invasion".
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:27 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Just found this, its a pro Kiev site but the satellite photos in this thread are well worth the look. Lots and lots of trucks!

    Certainly makes a total mockery of the claims by Kiev of thousands of Russian troops, but no photos, last year. These are commercial not HD military too.

    https://informnapalm.org/en/yandex-maps-in-the-service-of-the-kyiv-junta/

    But it doesnt prove that those are Russians.  Just pictures of locations with pictures of the facilities with people holding guns and outdated gear.  So in other words, Novorussians.  Still doesnt back up the claim of "Russian invasion".
    Certainly doesn't show much apart from lots of trucks. My interest was in the shear numbers of them and the quality of the pictures.
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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:11 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Begging bowl out in Kiev again. My highlight

    Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatseniuk has asked the European Commission to help with forming the payroll fund for government employees in Ukraine.

    "The reformation of the system of payment for work and the help of our European partners, which I have already requested from the European commission, is to form the fund for an increase in government employees' salaries. This is being done so that we've got real professionals, those who are aware of what they are doing and those who are able to carry out respective reforms in the system," Yatseniuk said at a cabinet meeting on Wednesday.

    Corruption won't be rooted out if salaries haven't been doubled, he said.

    ..................................


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/301584.html

    You can quadruple it but it will not matter one bit, corruption stays.

    I speak from experience.

    Kyiv just want money. They are out of money very fast and they have to make some reasons to ask for more fund. Even the most ridiculous one.

    Actually terrible level of corruption may be one of the reason for the thirst for fund...
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    Post  Ispan Thu Nov 05, 2015 12:54 pm

    Did something happen yesterday? Or it was a quiet day? Total news blackout.

    There are reports this morning of shelling of Petrovsky District in Donetsk, seems is not mortars anymore, but artillery

    Ok, found a report of last night shelling

    http://novorossia.today/more-ceasefire-violations-committed-by-the-poroshenko-regime-bombing-of-civilian-areas/

    From 9:30 p.m. to 1:30 a.m. the Nazi Ukrainian Forces shelled the village of Spartak and the industrial zone of that area. At around 2 a.m. the Nazi Ukrainian military opened fire at the Volvo Center area. The artillery bombardment lasted for several hours. He added that the enemy had used 82-mm and 120-mm mortars, automatic grenade launchers and small arms.
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    Post  Akula971 Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:39 pm

    http://topwar.ru/85598-prigorody-donecka-vpervye-za-poslednee-vremya-obstrelyany-ukrainskimi-silovikami-iz-rszo-grad.html

    Ukrops used BM 21 Grad against Donetsk.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:30 pm


    Article comments disabled of course... lol1  

    Ukranian nationalist 'planned terror attack on Russian embassy in London'

    Court hears how Vadim Bezkorovainiy became 'radicalised' by the tensions in eastern Europe

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ukranian-nationalist-planned-terror-attack-on-russian-embassy-in-london-a6720091.html

    A Ukrainian nationalist planned a terror attack on the Russian embassy in London after becoming “radicalised” by the tensions in eastern Europe, a court heard.

    Vadim Bezkorovainiy, 35, is said to have carried out three reconnaissance missions to the embassy from his home in Luton, Bedfordshire, during a three-day period in March 2014 – one of several indications he was plotting violence against the embassy or its ambassador, prosecutors said.

    His trial at the Old Bailey heard how the father-of-two had allegedly become radicalised having briefly left the UK to return to Ukraine at a time when political and diplomatic conflict involving Russia and the Ukraine escalated.

    It was only when police raided Bezkorovainiy’s home on suspicion of using false identification documents that detectives discovered images and video files suggesting he was plotting a terror attack.

    Handwritten notes were also recovered, which prosecutors said were a rough draft of a press release or speech to be issued after the attack. He denies engaging in conduct in preparation for giving effect to an intention to commit acts of terrorism.

    Robin Sellars, for the prosecution, said: “This case involves what the Crown say  was a deliberate and definitive course of action by this defendant in preparation of an act or acts of terrorism.

    “You will hear that he carried out protracted research on the internet into the manufacture of detonators and explosives of varying strengths and effectiveness. That was all with a political target in mind – to promote his political motive and ends at the time.”

    The court heard that notes recovered from his home in Old Bedford Road on 15 March last year included the phrase: “Being under the constant cover and surveillance by Scotland Yard, the Russian embassy in London did not manage to avoid destruction… Security ended up powerless. Now one [sic] can imagine what will happen to Moscow, St Petersburg, the regional centres, if we redeploy fighters who are simply going to smash everything around them.”

    A laptop seized from Bezkorovainiy’s home contained details of internet searches for explosives and flame throwers, while a memory card showed images of the embassy buildings, the court heard.

    Mr Sellars said the defendant returned to Ukraine from the UK between September 2012 and January 2013. He told the court: “This is of significance as the Crown alleges that in effect his exposure to the tensions in that region first-hand had the effect of radicalising Mr Bezkorovainiy to the extent that he decided to take matters into his own hands once back in the UK.”

    The prosecution said there was further evidence of Bezkorovainiy’s alleged radicalisation in the days before his arrest, when he was overheard talking to his nine-year-old daughter about using guns, setting the neighbour’s garden on fire, and bomb-making.

    Mr Sellars said: “The Crown say everything is moving towards one ultimate conclusion – this is someone exhibiting radicalised behaviour.”

    The trial, which continues, is being held before His Honour Judge Tim Pontius.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:23 am

    So what's happening? I get the feeling that there were persons in Russia and Eastern Ukraine who wanted a country not controlled by Russia or Putin, and not controlled by Oligarchs, and those ppl, or some of them, have been assassinated and / or removed... correct?

    & now there is MINSK, and Ukraine "integrity", i.e. at least by words, but one comment on this article says:

    Is it possible that these are part of early moves to eventually re-integrate Donbas with Russia? wrote:

    Changes in the DPR and the LPR
    Posted by babeuf79 ⋅ November 5, 2015 ⋅ 1 Comment


    http://slavyangrad.org/2015/11/05/changes-in-the-dpr-and-the-lpr/#more-6451
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:25 am

    Remember this guy? I wonder if he's still there? still alive?

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:39 am

    Kravchuk calls for rejection of western overlordship and rejection of Minsk II


    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/11/kravchuk-calls-for-rejection-of-western.html
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:05 am

    Novorossiya News (#46) UN's Stephen O'Brien Delivers Results of LPR Meeting

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:37 am

    (Eng subs) Graham - Special Reportage #6 - Donetsk Under Shelling and the OSCE

    Published on Nov 3, 2015

    Filmed 31.10.2015, Donetsk, Kubishevsky region. Thanks to Alexander Diskovsky for English subs.

    Leonid: The Ukrainian army moved back but these, who don't obey Poroshenko stay here. aidar, Donbass 1, Donvass 2, azov, Sich...


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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:44 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Kravchuk calls for rejection of western overlordship and rejection of Minsk II


    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/11/kravchuk-calls-for-rejection-of-western.html

    His speech sounds crazy, but if we think about it, it perfectly describes the pathetic situation of current Kyiv goverment. Porkie and his subordinates are just puppets of the West, even if they want to attack Donbass they also need the agreement of the West.

    If the West desires peace and dialouge with Russia, then Porkie cannot ignore Minsk, Porkie cannot attack Donbass without the permission of Western masters.

    That's it. Kyiv regime is no independent goverment, it is the servant of the West. Servant cannot do much without the masters.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:02 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Kravchuk calls for rejection of western overlordship and rejection of Minsk II


    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/11/kravchuk-calls-for-rejection-of-western.html

    His speech sounds crazy, but if we think about it, it perfectly describes the pathetic situation of current Kyiv goverment. Porkie and his subordinates are just puppets of the West, even if they want to attack Donbass they also need the agreement of the West.

    If the West desires peace and dialouge with Russia, then Porkie cannot ignore Minsk, Porkie cannot attack Donbass without the permission of Western masters.

    That's it. Kyiv regime is no independent goverment, it is the servant of the West. Servant cannot do much without the masters.
    K only wants Ukraine to keep the Brotherly tribute flowing, it has Nothing to do with independence. This war has destroyed à couple of oligarchs and rendered some more powerful. K just wants the old balance back. That's not possible with the myopism of the US. That's all.
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