http://www.zinio.com/reader.jsp?issue=416207138&e=true
Seems if war erupts in Syria it will put to test Russias latest AD against the EW might of Israel Air Force
Austin wrote:Latest AW&ST says that Israel is worried with Syria getting BUK-M2 , Pantsyr-SE1 and Yakhont but are confident it can defeat it
Seems if war erupts in Syria it will put to test Russias latest AD against the EW might of Israel Air Force
As systems gets more advanced, i see little chance for them to break the spell.
SYria doesn't have S-300.NickM wrote:And what were the Syrians able to achieve with their S 300 , BUK and Panstir ??
The Israeli F 16s came and bombed the daylight out of them and this is what's gonna happen till kingdom comes.
TR1 wrote: SYria doesn't have S-300.
TR1 wrote:Pantsir and Buk are relatively short range.
TR1 wrote:Syria has few of them.
TR1 wrote:Their AD radar network is in dissaray.
TR1 wrote:Can you put 2 and 2 together, or do I have to spell it out for you?
NickM wrote:They do have S 300 . What they don't have is high level aptitude .
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150059#.UYzJoqIzMfl
NickM wrote:You mean the Israelis bombed them from another plant ?? Their F 16s flew into Syria and bombed them .
NickM wrote:How many do you want them to have ? A few hundred ....before they prove anything .
NickM wrote:Obviously . With outdated Pantsir , Buk , S 300 what more do you expect . Now some wise soul in this forum will write an entire script as to how only downgraded , export versions of Russian equipment are sold to 3rd world shitholes like Syria . And how these aholes fall for it .
Thats hardly a reliable source. I did a quick google search (Note: quick ) and they are the only media outlet saying that. Besides, if Syria does have S-300's, with their massive detection ranges, I doubt the Israelis would pull a stunt like that.
They do have S 300 . What they don't have is high level aptitude .
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150059#.UYzJoqIzMfl
Short range systems with only a few dozen km range, cant be expected to protect against squadrons of fighters. Thats what bigger, longer range systems like the s-300 and s-400 are for, I believe.You mean the Israelis bombed them from another plant ?? Their F 16s flew into Syria and bombed them .
A dozen or two Pantsirs is hardly adequate.How many do you want them to have ? A few hundred ....before they prove anything .
I assume that you claim otherwise? I mean, I for one, dont see any reason why Russia would sell their best short range AD vehicle (or atleast the best version of it) to Syria, a troubled country, whose military's capabilities (or to be more precise, loyalty) is questionable. Thats just my logic.Obviously . With outdated Pantsir , Buk , S 300 what more do you expect . Now some wise soul in this forum will write an entire script as to how only downgraded , export versions of Russian equipment are sold to 3rd world shitholes like Syria . And how these aholes fall for it .
ali.a.r wrote:Besides, if Syria does have S-300's, with their massive detection ranges, I doubt the Israelis would pull a stunt like that.
ali.a.r wrote:assume that you claim otherwise? I mean, I for one, dont see any reason why Russia would sell their best short range AD vehicle (or atleast the best version of it) to Syria, a troubled country, whose military's capabilities (or to be more precise, loyalty) is questionable. Thats just my logic
Well, Damask is only 40 km from Lebanon border and we all know Israel air force is flying unopposed in Lebanon airspace on daily basis.
I think missiles where launched from there.
Still Syria should have by now 1 full BUK-M2 regiment and 6 Pancir-S1 batteries which by itself should be more than enough to
repel missiles too not just fighters. But on the other hand who knows what really happened there.
ali.a.r wrote:
True. But I think that if a S-300 system was available to the Syrians, and if it was protecting Dimishk (proper Arab way of saying it ), then its radar should be able to cover the nearest IDF air bases as well. I mean its not like the IDF planes are landing and taking off from Lebanon. They originate from Israel proper, and a s-300 system located around Dimishk should detect f-15's and f-16's as soon as they go up.
So another reason to think Syria doesnt have s-300's.
You mean the Israelis bombed them from another plant ?? Their F 16s flew into Syria and bombed them .
Mindstorm wrote:A group of SU-24s armed with Х-29ТЭ could do the same mission much faster, much safer, and with much higher chances, for the delivered weapons, to overcome eventual air defences present in the area.
Viktor wrote:I remember seeing captured by the rebels 3D low altitude Chinese radar in Syria. I remember reading some PVO bases being overrun by the
terrorists and about special attention rebels placed towards Syrian PVO bases. I dont know the extent to which they managed to
damage Syrian PVO but 2.5 years of fighting must have done a significant affect. Besides it very constraining for PVO troops
not being able to move freely because of roads blocked or area affected by battle and such as movement (and fast to) is essential for them.
NickM wrote:Mindstorm wrote:A group of SU-24s armed with Х-29ТЭ could do the same mission much faster, much safer, and with much higher chances, for the delivered weapons, to overcome eventual air defences present in the area.
Only over the airspace of some 3rd world state . I hope you are not suggesting that Su 24s which are in any case obsolete can fly over NATO airspace un detected .
What is the EW system on board the SU 24 ?
Does it even have an AESA radar ?
Are Russian AESA radars as evolved as the APG 77 ?
MEADS provide full 360-degree coverage & also provides continuous on-the-move protection for maneuver forces. IRIS-T SL can eliminate the SU 24 from 30 kms away .
Israeli Air Force struck SSRC facility without entering Syrian airspace
Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2013/04/israeli_air_force_struck_ssrc.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LongWarJournalSiteWide+%28The+Long+War+Journal+%28Site-Wide%29%29#ixzz2T1WTjNyF
Toss bombing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toss_bombing
Cyberspec wrote:Some losses are to be expected in over 2 years of fighting but IMO so far they've been minor losses in the overall scheme of things.
Cyberspec wrote:That said, the Syrian AD is largely equipped with older systems reinforced with some more modern equipment since 2007/08. But they do have a large force covering a relatively small area. Israel could establish local air superiority but it would require a major and large scale operation which isn't politically palatable at the moment. They have to calculate whether such an operation would lead to a major regional war.
Cyberspec wrote:I was just reading the news and it seems the rebels are under heavy pressure on many fronts. If the situation continues in that direction, they're facing defeat without outside intervention....I wonder whether the latest bomb blasts in Turkey (near the Syrian border) will be used as a pretext for some sort of intervention
Only over the airspace of some 3rd world state . I hope you are not suggesting that Su 24s which are in any case obsolete can fly over NATO airspace un detected.
Does it even have an AESA radar ?
Are Russian AESA radars as evolved as the APG 77 ?
MEADS provide full 360-degree coverage & also provides continuous on-the-move protection for maneuver forces. IRIS-T SL can eliminate the SU 24 from 30 kms away .
Mindstorm wrote:Scientific knowledge behind Active ESA radars for fighter aircraft is firmly within the knowledge's pool of our Institutes (the same that have realized the first electronically scanned phased array at world mounted on a fighter aircraft ) since at least a pair of decades .
It is considered not even worth of naming or particularly complex.
The real problem (as often happen with domestic engineering's process of electronic components) is, instead, constituted by COST and RELIABILITY of manufacture of MMIC.
Mindstorm wrote:Clear now?
Mindstorm wrote:MEADS ?
Mmhh.....very interesting, as for the AESA radar on strategic/tactical bombers, i would be very glad to you if you could point to me what airspace on this planet is today defended by MEADS.
NickM wrote:
MEADS will replace Patriot missiles in the United States, the older Hawk system in Germany, and Italy’s Nike Hercules missiles . The system will incorporate its own 3-radar set, along with networked communications for use as either a stand-alone system, or a component of larger air defense clusters that include other missiles.Two 360-degree, Multifunction Fire Control Radars (MFCR). The X-band MFCR employs active phased array technology, using transmit/receive modules developed in Germany. It also incorporates advanced identification-friend-or-foe (IFF) sensors with improved capabilities.
It's a generation ahead of anything that Russia can field in the near future . Even the S 500 is no match for it .
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