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    Post  sepheronx Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:29 pm

    Well, hopefully Russia strikes them hard and next planes to fly, hopefully Syaaf shoots it down.
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    Post  max steel Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:46 pm

    I'm expecting Russian powerful strikes on Hasakah in a short while.
    I like to watch in the morning the US millions dollars worth future junk blowing up in smoke.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:51 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:US stoking the fire if true, it is CNN.

    A group of US cargo aircraft airdropped overnight some 50 tons of small fire ammunition and explosives to rebels in northern Syria’s Hasakah province, CNN reported Monday citing a US official speaking on condition of anonymity.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The broadcaster claimed that this was a first step in a US effort to boost support to what the White House refers to as moderate opposition forces fighting regular Syrian troops loyal to President Bashar Assad. C-17 cargo planes dropped ammunition on 112 pallets to be retrieved by opposition fighters on the ground from a US-vetted group called by Washington the Syrian Arab Coalition.

    According to the CNN, the newly-named Syrian anti-government force was first mentioned by Christine Wormuth, policy undersecretary at the US Defense Department, during Congressional testimony in September. She said the group was being trained as part of a train-and-equip mission for anti-Assad opposition factions in Syria.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151012/1028413080/us-airdrops-ammo-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3oN3zhnGH

    Yeah apparently yesterday was formed new coalition of "rebels" under name Syrian Democratic Force or SDF also aided apparently by Kurds.

    Syrian Civil War: News #2 - Page 26 CRGqWLKUcAMOJVm

    And US decided to back up this new coalition, apparently info mentioned in that article and some others came directly from Pentagon.

    Since when are the Kurd's siding with the so called 'moderate' FSA? They've been fighting them since day one of the conflict! All of a sudden hundreds, if not thousands of deaths between each other, simply forgotten? Let bygones be bygones at a snap of a finger lol?

    Me thinks that this is pure black propaganda, just like the idea that the Wahabi rebels are now allies to the Kurd's, is just like the idea that Wahabi rebels are moderates....pure BOLLOCKS!!! But what is true is that the YPG have stated that they want to cooperate with the Russian VKS, they're requesting airstrikes to help them, and we've found no evidence so far that they (YPG) want to fight Russia.
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    Post  medo Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:11 pm

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    CH4 in Syria? Filmed above Ghab Plain.

    CH4 could only mean, that Chinese army is in Syria too. Russia doesn't have them and I don't know, if China deliver them to Syria. They deliver them to Iraq, but I'm not sure for Syria.
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    Post  Guest Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:16 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:US stoking the fire if true, it is CNN.

    A group of US cargo aircraft airdropped overnight some 50 tons of small fire ammunition and explosives to rebels in northern Syria’s Hasakah province, CNN reported Monday citing a US official speaking on condition of anonymity.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The broadcaster claimed that this was a first step in a US effort to boost support to what the White House refers to as moderate opposition forces fighting regular Syrian troops loyal to President Bashar Assad. C-17 cargo planes dropped ammunition on 112 pallets to be retrieved by opposition fighters on the ground from a US-vetted group called by Washington the Syrian Arab Coalition.

    According to the CNN, the newly-named Syrian anti-government force was first mentioned by Christine Wormuth, policy undersecretary at the US Defense Department, during Congressional testimony in September. She said the group was being trained as part of a train-and-equip mission for anti-Assad opposition factions in Syria.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151012/1028413080/us-airdrops-ammo-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3oN3zhnGH

    Yeah apparently yesterday was formed new coalition of "rebels" under name Syrian Democratic Force or SDF also aided apparently by Kurds.

    Syrian Civil War: News #2 - Page 26 CRGqWLKUcAMOJVm

    And US decided to back up this new coalition, apparently info mentioned in that article and some others came directly from Pentagon.

    Since when are the Kurd's siding with the so called 'moderate' FSA? They've been fighting them since day one of the conflict! All of a sudden hundreds, if not thousands of deaths between each other, simply forgotten? Let bygones be bygones at a snap of a finger lol?

    Me thinks that this is pure black propaganda, just like the idea that the Wahabi rebels are now allies to the Kurd's, is just like the idea that Wahabi rebels are moderates....pure BOLLOCKS!!! But what is true is that the YPG have stated that they want to cooperate with the Russian VKS, they're requesting airstrikes to help them, and we've found no evidence so far that they (YPG) want to fight Russia.

    These are just certain groups apparently among "rebels". FSA itself already proved useless.
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:25 pm

    You guys know those ISIS convoys like they road in Iraq without any interference by US in the hundreds to thousands. I hope russia will get a chance of dealing with such convoys by using FOAB. I would love to see that deployed against that terrorist scum or moderate terrorist scum.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:30 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:US stoking the fire if true, it is CNN.

    A group of US cargo aircraft airdropped overnight some 50 tons of small fire ammunition and explosives to rebels in northern Syria’s Hasakah province, CNN reported Monday citing a US official speaking on condition of anonymity.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The broadcaster claimed that this was a first step in a US effort to boost support to what the White House refers to as moderate opposition forces fighting regular Syrian troops loyal to President Bashar Assad. C-17 cargo planes dropped ammunition on 112 pallets to be retrieved by opposition fighters on the ground from a US-vetted group called by Washington the Syrian Arab Coalition.

    According to the CNN, the newly-named Syrian anti-government force was first mentioned by Christine Wormuth, policy undersecretary at the US Defense Department, during Congressional testimony in September. She said the group was being trained as part of a train-and-equip mission for anti-Assad opposition factions in Syria.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151012/1028413080/us-airdrops-ammo-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3oN3zhnGH

    Yeah apparently yesterday was formed new coalition of "rebels" under name Syrian Democratic Force or SDF also aided apparently by Kurds.

    Syrian Civil War: News #2 - Page 26 CRGqWLKUcAMOJVm

    And US decided to back up this new coalition, apparently info mentioned in that article and some others came directly from Pentagon.

    Since when are the Kurd's siding with the so called 'moderate' FSA? They've been fighting them since day one of the conflict! All of a sudden hundreds, if not thousands of deaths between each other, simply forgotten? Let bygones be bygones at a snap of a finger lol?

    Me thinks that this is pure black propaganda, just like the idea that the Wahabi rebels are now allies to the Kurd's, is just like the idea that Wahabi rebels are moderates....pure BOLLOCKS!!! But what is true is that the YPG have stated that they want to cooperate with the Russian VKS, they're requesting airstrikes to help them, and we've found no evidence so far that they (YPG) want to fight Russia.

    These are just certain groups apparently among "rebels". FSA itself already proved useless.

    But don't you think the so-called alliance with the Kurds seem's a bit fraudulent? I'm calling BS on the so called alliance, if the Kurds want to be protected from Neo-Ottoman bombing raids by the hands of Erdogan, then the last thing they want to do is anger Russia.
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    Post  Rodinazombie Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:48 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:US stoking the fire if true, it is CNN.

    A group of US cargo aircraft airdropped overnight some 50 tons of small fire ammunition and explosives to rebels in northern Syria’s Hasakah province, CNN reported Monday citing a US official speaking on condition of anonymity.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The broadcaster claimed that this was a first step in a US effort to boost support to what the White House refers to as moderate opposition forces fighting regular Syrian troops loyal to President Bashar Assad. C-17 cargo planes dropped ammunition on 112 pallets to be retrieved by opposition fighters on the ground from a US-vetted group called by Washington the Syrian Arab Coalition.

    According to the CNN, the newly-named Syrian anti-government force was first mentioned by Christine Wormuth, policy undersecretary at the US Defense Department, during Congressional testimony in September. She said the group was being trained as part of a train-and-equip mission for anti-Assad opposition factions in Syria.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151012/1028413080/us-airdrops-ammo-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3oN3zhnGH

    Yeah apparently yesterday was formed new coalition of "rebels" under name Syrian Democratic Force or SDF also aided apparently by Kurds.

    Syrian Civil War: News #2 - Page 26 CRGqWLKUcAMOJVm

    And US decided to back up this new coalition, apparently info mentioned in that article and some others came directly from Pentagon.

    Since when are the Kurd's siding with the so called 'moderate' FSA? They've been fighting them since day one of the conflict! All of a sudden hundreds, if not thousands of deaths between each other, simply forgotten? Let bygones be bygones at a snap of a finger lol?

    Me thinks that this is pure black propaganda, just like the idea that the Wahabi rebels are now allies to the Kurd's, is just like the idea that Wahabi rebels are moderates....pure BOLLOCKS!!! But what is true is that the YPG have stated that they want to cooperate with the Russian VKS, they're requesting airstrikes to help them, and we've found no evidence so far that they (YPG) want to fight Russia.

    These are just certain groups apparently among "rebels". FSA itself already proved useless.

    But don't you think the so-called alliance with the Kurds seem's a bit fraudulent? I'm calling BS on the so called alliance, if the Kurds want to be protected from Neo-Ottoman bombing raids by the hands of Erdogan, then the last thing they want to do is anger Russia.

    Well, its such a coincidence that everyone is trying to find these invisible 'moderates' and suddenly this springs up, very clever use of the word 'democratic' in its name i have to say. And you know who is always talking about democracy....I think this is just a bit of propaganda fluff by someone and wont change a thing on the ground. I

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    Post  zorobabel Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:03 pm

    SAA pushed out of Kafr Nabudah again today. Step up or shut up time now. Winning villages and hilltops is nice, but they have to be able to take towns.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:13 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:US stoking the fire if true, it is CNN.

    A group of US cargo aircraft airdropped overnight some 50 tons of small fire ammunition and explosives to rebels in northern Syria’s Hasakah province, CNN reported Monday citing a US official speaking on condition of anonymity.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The broadcaster claimed that this was a first step in a US effort to boost support to what the White House refers to as moderate opposition forces fighting regular Syrian troops loyal to President Bashar Assad. C-17 cargo planes dropped ammunition on 112 pallets to be retrieved by opposition fighters on the ground from a US-vetted group called by Washington the Syrian Arab Coalition.

    According to the CNN, the newly-named Syrian anti-government force was first mentioned by Christine Wormuth, policy undersecretary at the US Defense Department, during Congressional testimony in September. She said the group was being trained as part of a train-and-equip mission for anti-Assad opposition factions in Syria.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151012/1028413080/us-airdrops-ammo-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3oN3zhnGH

    Yeah apparently yesterday was formed new coalition of "rebels" under name Syrian Democratic Force or SDF also aided apparently by Kurds.

    Syrian Civil War: News #2 - Page 26 MediaKUcAMOJVm

    And US decided to back up this new coalition, apparently info mentioned in that article and some others came directly from Pentagon.

    Kurds are playing a dangerous game if true, i do not see logic on their part here. Everyone is equal before KAB-500...
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    Post  Monarchist Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:17 pm

    zorobabel wrote:SAA pushed out of Kafr Nabudah again today. Step up or shut up time now. Winning villages and hilltops is nice, but they have to be able to take towns.

    These are the ape's defeating them. Rolling Eyes
    Hezbollah would annihilate these but they dont have enough men or will to fight all over Syria.
    30 or something russian jets and heli's wont bring Syria total victory, without a russian or iranian ground intervention it's impossible. I have strong doubts they will even hold this territory when the russian air bombing campaign ends.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:42 pm

    has anyone heard anything on the Syrian air force and whats going on with them? i presume they are still bombing other areas? or they taking a break from the action? there air force is still capable
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:44 pm

    Monarchist wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:SAA pushed out of Kafr Nabudah again today. Step up or shut up time now. Winning villages and hilltops is nice, but they have to be able to take towns.
    These are the ape's defeating them. Rolling Eyes
    Hezbollah would annihilate these but they dont have enough men or will to fight all over Syria.
    30 or something russian jets and heli's wont bring Syria total victory, without a russian or iranian ground intervention it's impossible. I have strong doubts they will even hold this territory when the russian air bombing campaign ends.
    Valid point. One suspects that part of the strategy is to attack the resupply infrastructure so that the 'activists' at the front run out of ammo/food/new fighters etc

    Also, with large numbers of particularly ISIS fighters claimed to be foreign mercs they will need to continue getting paid, plus if it gets really bad for them they will have problems melting away into the local population.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:52 pm

    Now what ?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/12/us-military-airdrops-50-tons-ammo-for-syrian-fighters-after-training-mission/



    US military airdrops 50 tons of ammo for Syrian fighters, after training mission ends

    The U.S. military airdropped 50 tons of small arms ammo and grenades in northern Syria on Sunday, a senior defense official told Fox News, representing the Pentagon's shift from training rebel fighters to equipping them.

    Coming just two days after the Defense Department announced it was effectively ending its current training program, the airdrop delivery was made Sunday by four C-17 transport aircraft. The 112 pallets contained ammunition for M-16s and AK-47s.

    "All the pallets reached friendly forces," the official said, adding that the drop "looked similar to what we did in Kobani." This referred to one of the few bright spots in the war against the Islamic State when the U.S. military dropped weapons to Syrian Kurdish fighters, known as the YPG, who successfully expelled ISIS from the Turkish-Syrian border town of Kobani earlier this year.

    This time, the official said Syrian Kurds were not recipients of the U.S. airdrop -- only Syrian Arabs fighting ISIS. There is sensitivity in Washington over arming Syrian Kurds, whom Turkey sees as an enemy but the U.S. counts as a NATO ally.

    The 50 tons of supplies were airdropped into Al-Hasakah province, home to Syrian Kurds, Arabs and a minority Assyrian community.

    The ammunition originally was intended for the U.S. military's "train and equip" mission, the official said. But that program was canceled last week.

    "So now we are more focused on the 'E' [equip] part of the T&E [train & equip]," said the official, who described equipping Syrian Arabs as the focus of the new strategy against ISIS.

    The Defense Department announced Friday that it was overhauling the mission to aid Syrian rebel fighters. After the program fell far short of its goals for recruiting and training Syrian fighters, the DOD said it would focus instead on providing "equipment packages and weapons to a select group of vetted leaders and their units so that over time they can make a concerted push into territory still controlled by ISIL."

    The shift also comes as Russia continues to launch airstrikes in Syria, causing tension with the U.S. amid suspicions Moscow is only trying to prop up Bashar Assad.

    Col. Steve Warren, spokesman for the U.S.-led anti-ISIS coalition, confirmed that coalition forces conducted the airdrop on Sunday.

    "The aircraft delivery includes small arms ammunition to resupply counter-ISIL ground forces so that they can continue operations against ISIL. All aircraft exited the drop area safely," he said in a statement.

    President Obama, in an interview on CBS' "60 Minutes" aired Sunday, said there's "no doubt" that the training mission "did not work." But he noted he was "skeptical from the get-go about the notion that we were going to effectively create this proxy army inside of Syria."

    Obama said while there are no "silver bullets," the U.S. is "prepared to work both diplomatically and where we can to support moderate opposition that can help convince the Russians and Iranians to put pressure on Assad for a transition."

    Lucas Tomlinson is the Pentagon and State Department producer for Fox News Channel. You can follow him on Twitter: @LucasFoxNews

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    Post  Rodinazombie Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:56 pm

    Monarchist wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:SAA pushed out of Kafr Nabudah again today. Step up or shut up time now. Winning villages and hilltops is nice, but they have to be able to take towns.

    These are the ape's defeating them. Rolling Eyes
    Hezbollah would annihilate these but they dont have enough men or will to fight all over Syria.
    30 or something russian jets and heli's wont bring Syria total victory, without a russian or iranian ground intervention it's impossible. I have strong doubts they will even hold this territory when the russian air bombing campaign ends.

    I dont think the russian bombing campaign will stop until victory, or something that can be portrayed as a victory happens, putin has a reputation to uphold and I doubt he is going to allow them to reemerge as soon as he stops the air strikes. One of the themes of this intervention is that putin is doing what the west has been unable to, so a half job is unacceptable and would make his efforts look as bad as the wests.

    I do agree though, syrian manpower alone doesnt seem enough, though that may well change when the tide turns visibly, volunteers will appear for the winning side and isis goons will start to slip away.


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    Post  par far Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:08 pm

    zorobabel wrote:SAA pushed out of Kafr Nabudah again today. Step up or shut up time now. Winning villages and hilltops is nice, but they have to be able to take towns.


    Do you have a link? A source?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:24 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:Now what ?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/12/us-military-airdrops-50-tons-ammo-for-syrian-fighters-after-training-mission/



    US military airdrops 50 tons of ammo for Syrian fighters, after training mission ends

    The U.S. military airdropped 50 tons of small arms ammo and grenades in northern Syria on Sunday, a senior defense official told Fox News, representing the Pentagon's shift from training rebel fighters to equipping them.

    Coming just two days after the Defense Department announced it was effectively ending its current training program, the airdrop delivery was made Sunday by four C-17 transport aircraft. The 112 pallets contained ammunition for M-16s and AK-47s.

    "All the pallets reached friendly forces," the official said, adding that the drop "looked similar to what we did in Kobani." This referred to one of the few bright spots in the war against the Islamic State when the U.S. military dropped weapons to Syrian Kurdish fighters, known as the YPG, who successfully expelled ISIS from the Turkish-Syrian border town of Kobani earlier this year.

    This time, the official said Syrian Kurds were not recipients of the U.S. airdrop -- only Syrian Arabs fighting ISIS. There is sensitivity in Washington over arming Syrian Kurds, whom Turkey sees as an enemy but the U.S. counts as a NATO ally.

    The 50 tons of supplies were airdropped into Al-Hasakah province, home to Syrian Kurds, Arabs and a minority Assyrian community.

    The ammunition originally was intended for the U.S. military's "train and equip" mission, the official said. But that program was canceled last week.

    "So now we are more focused on the 'E' [equip] part of the T&E [train & equip]," said the official, who described equipping Syrian Arabs as the focus of the new strategy against ISIS.

    The Defense Department announced Friday that it was overhauling the mission to aid Syrian rebel fighters. After the program fell far short of its goals for recruiting and training Syrian fighters, the DOD said it would focus instead on providing "equipment packages and weapons to a select group of vetted leaders and their units so that over time they can make a concerted push into territory still controlled by ISIL."

    The shift also comes as Russia continues to launch airstrikes in Syria, causing tension with the U.S. amid suspicions Moscow is only trying to prop up Bashar Assad.

    Col. Steve Warren, spokesman for the U.S.-led anti-ISIS coalition, confirmed that coalition forces conducted the airdrop on Sunday.

    "The aircraft delivery includes small arms ammunition to resupply counter-ISIL ground forces so that they can continue operations against ISIL. All aircraft exited the drop area safely," he said in a statement.

    President Obama, in an interview on CBS' "60 Minutes" aired Sunday, said there's "no doubt" that the training mission "did not work." But he noted he was "skeptical from the get-go about the notion that we were going to effectively create this proxy army inside of Syria."

    Obama said while there are no "silver bullets," the U.S. is "prepared to work both diplomatically and where we can to support moderate opposition that can help convince the Russians and Iranians to put pressure on Assad for a transition."

    Lucas Tomlinson is the Pentagon and State Department producer for Fox News Channel. You can follow him on Twitter: @LucasFoxNews


    Time to draw a red line, deliver weapons any you'll be shot out of the air!
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:24 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:Now what ?

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/12/us-military-airdrops-50-tons-ammo-for-syrian-fighters-after-training-mission/



    US military airdrops 50 tons of ammo for Syrian fighters, after training mission ends




    Time to draw a red line, deliver weapons any you'll be shot out of the air!
    Perhaps if they try to deliver closer to the Russian area of interest. These were dropped about as far away from Latakia as it is possible to get whilst staying in Syria.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:32 pm

    That is true. Hence why Syrian airforce has to protect their skies. They have MiG-29's and MiG-23BM. They need to make it clear to US and its allies that they are unwanted.

    Add to that, russia is doing good. But need to do better. They really need to assist SyAF in training and maybe modernization to strike and provide assistance to ground troops. If Syrian troops were pushed out of an area, that means they didnt get the support needed.
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    Post  zg18 Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:58 pm

    Todays battles around Kafr Naboudah



    Rebels/terrorists managed later to recapture parts of the town from Syrian army in counter attack.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:03 pm

    So only part of the town was recaptured by terrorists? I guess you cannot win them all. Hopefully SyAF will fly in to provide support for the ground troops in the next encounter.
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    Post  Cyberspec Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:45 am

    Militarov wrote:These are just certain groups apparently among "rebels". FSA itself already proved useless.

    It's basically the Kurds and some smaller allied groups that helped them when they were hard pressed at Kobane a few months ago. The Americans reportedly need a group they can support openly so as to have someone to represent them if/when negotiations start....this new group might try and make a move towards Raqqa from the east.

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    Some twitter news (to get a rough idea what's happening)...heavy fighting reported with some settlements changing hands several times.

    #SAA captured Al-Mansoura village according to SOHR / Al Ghab Plain
    https://twitter.com/watanisy/status/653682090949668864

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    Sukayk was reported captured by SAA yesterday, then retaken by Al-Nusra....now retaken again?

    #Syria #Hama #حماة New Militant Map Shows #Sukayk under #SAA control.
    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/653635695924281344


    Same with 'Kafr_Nabudah' which has been retaken by the rats but there's still heavy fighting going on around it

    Cyberspec wrote:It's starting to look like a lot of the jihadi commanders are going to have a short life span


    Central Division" Military Commander Abu Iskandar killed by #SAA @ #Sukayk #سكيك Front.
    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/653470100650110976


    #Syria #Hama #حماة #SAA #SyrianArmy Soldier's responses to news of #FSA 60th Division Commander's Death
    https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/653468513257025536

    One more....some Al-Nusra "Emir" this time

    #Syria - #SAA #NDF killed Jabhat al-Nusra Emir - Ayman Yousif Al-Hawrani
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    Graphic!
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRJnMlHWoAAw7dO.jpg

    Hezbolah also lost a commander near Idlib

    #Hezbollah announces its commander Mahdi Hasan Abeed from aka "Hajj Abu Rida" KIA battles in Idlib countryside.
    https://twitter.com/F1ea1337/status/653684768987611136
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    Post  Cyberspec Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:57 am

    medo wrote:
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    CH4 in Syria? Filmed above Ghab Plain.

    CH4 could only mean, that Chinese army is in Syria too. Russia doesn't have them and I don't know, if China deliver them to Syria. They deliver them to Iraq, but I'm not sure for Syria.

    One of the new Iraqi ones maybe?
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    Post  Svyatoslavich Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:33 am

    Something that is surprising me regarding the Russian intervention in Syria is Israel's silence. There can be no doubt that Israel is fully interested in getting rid of Al-Assad and weakening Syria, but surprisingly I've seen no criticism or strong declarations on the part of Israeli officials regarding Russia's intervention (differently from the US or Turkey). I am pretty sure Netanyahu and Putin reached an agreement when the former traveled to Moscow right before the start of Russia's involvement, but I can't see what. Does anybody have any idea?
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    Post  soigneerin Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:10 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:Something that is surprising me regarding the Russian intervention in Syria is Israel's silence. There can be no doubt that Israel is fully interested in getting rid of Al-Assad and weakening Syria, but surprisingly I've seen no criticism or strong declarations on the part of Israeli officials regarding Russia's intervention (differently from the US or Turkey). I am pretty sure Netanyahu and Putin reached an agreement when the former traveled to Moscow right before the start of Russia's involvement, but I can't see what. Does anybody have any idea?

    Israel can't bark post-factum against a nuclear superpower. I have no doubts that if Russia would have started the bombing campaign without informing Israel, Israel would simply have nothing to say. It happened, and you can't reverse it. Therefore condemning it would only be a waste of political energy.

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