Syrian Civil War: News #2

Airbornewolf wrote:

max steel wrote:nice to see you back airbornewolf , any new stuff about NATO that you'd like to share? Last time you mentioned how Netherlands air base contains more tactical bombers hidden underneath layered base where no dutch can go without an american accomplice .

im still in the game, ive been switching jobs and currently moving to a new town to work/live so i did not had much time. i got some news regarding U.S weapon stationing, nuclear weapon upgrading of the USAF in Europe and some serious dissent among NATO forces as a result of the refugee matter. long story short its spinning out of control. also EU weapon industry is pressing heavily on Politicians to re-establish contacts with Russia.

also i got "rumours" out of Turkey from my own millitary after EU/U.S contact with Russian operations in Syria. but again i need time to write all that down here when i get some peace of mind.

i need to get first my private life on the rails and ill be back sharing my info on those matters. should take me no more than a few weeks from now .  

d_taddei2 wrote:you have to laugh, i hate the UK press, Russia isn't even using Mig-29's in Syria, if indeed a plane has been shot down and it is a Mig-29 then it can only belong to the Syrian air force. I can't see Turkey shooting down a Russian aircraft.



http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/611157/Russia-Turkey-jet-plane-shot-down-airspace-Syria-ISIS-Islamic-State?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-news-showbiz+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+News+%2F+Showbiz+Feed%29&ref=yfp

zg18 wrote:Syrian troops entered suburbs of Salma , Latakia governorate

Cyberspec wrote:

zg18 wrote:Syrian troops entered suburbs of Salma , Latakia governorate

Great News....I suspect it will take a while to clear it though. It's suppose to be heavily fortified

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The Rats using some heavy home made mortar

George1 wrote:How CIA Backing of Syria Rebels Drew Russia Into the Conflict

Syria government was in a bad place due to a vast CIA program to funnel arms to opposition

BEIRUT — American antitank missiles supplied to Syrian rebels are playing an unexpectedly prominent role in shaping the Syrian battlefield, giving the conflict the semblance of a proxy war between the United States and Russia, despite President Obama’s express desire to avoid one.

The U.S.-made BGM-71 TOW missiles were delivered under a two-year-old covert program coordinated between the United States and its allies to help vetted Free Syrian Army groups in their fight against President Bashar al-Assad. Now that Russia has entered the war in support of Assad, they are taking on a greater significance than was originally intended.

So successful have they been in driving rebel gains in northwestern Syria that rebels call the missile the “Assad Tamer,” a play on the word Assad, which means lion. And in recent days they have been used with great success to slow the Russian-backed offensive aimed at recapturing ground from the rebels.

Since Wednesday, when Syrian troops launched their first offensive backed by the might of Russia’s military, dozens of videos have been posted on YouTube showing rebels firing the U.S.-made missiles at Russian-made tanks and armored vehicles belonging to the Syrian army. Appearing as twirling balls of light, they zigzag across the Syrian countryside until they find and blast their target in a ball of flame.

The rebels claim they took out 24 tanks and armored vehicles on the first day, and the toll has risen daily since then.

“It was a tank massacre,” said Capt. Mustafa Moarati, whose Tajamu al-Izza group says it destroyed seven tanks and armored vehicles Wednesday.

More missiles are on the way, he said. New supplies arrived after the Russian deployments began, he said, and the rebels’ allies have promised further deliveries soon, bringing echoes of the role played by U.S.-supplied Stinger antiaircraft missiles in forcing the Soviet Union to withdraw from Afghanistan in the 1980s.

The hits also plunged Washington into what amounts to a proxy war of sorts with Moscow, despite Obama’s insistence this month that “we’re not going to make Syria into a proxy war between the United States and Russia.”

“It’s a proxy war by happenstance,” said Jeff White of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, who counted at least 15 tanks and vehicles destroyed or disabled in one day. “The rebels happen to have a lot of TOWs in their inventory. The regime happened to attack them with Russian support. I don’t see it as a proxy war by decision.”

Whether it will become one is one of the key questions confronting the Obama administration in the wake of President Vladimir Putin’s decision to throw Russia’s support behind Assad’s regime.

The TOW missile program overseen by the CIA is entirely separate from a failed program run by the Pentagon that was intended to influence the outcome of the other war being waged in Syria, the one in the northeastern part of the country against the Islamic State.

The CIA program got underway before the Pentagon one, in early 2014, with the goal of propping up the flagging rebellion against Assad’s rule by delivering training, small arms, ammunition and the antitank missiles, which have proved instrumental in eroding the government’s key advantage over the lightly armed rebel force — its tanks and heavy armor.

Supplied mostly from stocks owned by Saudi Arabia, delivered across the Turkish border and stamped with CIA approval, the missiles were intended to fulfill another of the Obama administration’s goals in Syria — Assad’s negotiated exit from power. The plan, as described by administration officials, was to exert sufficient military pressure on Assad’s forces to persuade him to compromise — but not so much that his government would precipitously collapse and leave a dangerous power vacuum in Damascus.

Instead, the Russian military intervened to shore up the struggling Syrian army — an outcome that was not intended.

   “A primary driving factor in Russia’s calculus was the realization that the Assad regime was militarily weakening and in danger of losing territory in northwestern Syria. The TOWs played an outsize role in that,” said Oubai Shahbandar, a Dubai-based consultant who used to work with the Syrian opposition.

   “I think even the Americans were surprised at how successful they’ve been,” he added.

It was no accident, say U.S. officials and military analysts, that the first targets of Russian airstrikes in Syria were the locations where the rebels armed with TOW missiles have made the most substantial gains and where they most directly threaten Assad’s hold over his family’s heartland in the coastal province of Latakia.

Those areas were also where the first offensive since the Russian intervention was launched, with columns of Syrian armored vehicles and tanks setting out from government strongholds into the countryside of the provinces of Hama and Idlib.

What the TOWs have done, White said, is “offset the regime’s advantage in armor. The TOWs have cut away at that edge, and that’s what we’ve seen playing out. It’s like the Stingers in Afghanistan.”

It is unclear whether the TOWs will be able to change the course of the war, as did the Stinger antiaircraft missiles introduced in the 1980s by the CIA in Afghanistan, where they were used by the mujahideen to shoot down Russian helicopters and paralyze the Soviet army.

Now that the Russians have introduced more intensive and heavier airstrikes and, for the first time, combat helicopters have been seen in videos strafing villages in the Hama area, the TOW missiles may only be able to slow, but not block, government advances.

The rebels have appealed for the delivery of Stinger missiles or their equivalents to counter the new threat from the air, but U.S. officials say that is unlikely. The Obama administration has repeatedly vetoed past requests from the rebels, as well as their Turkish and Saudi allies, for the delivery of antiaircraft missiles, out of concerns that they could fall into extremist hands.

But the TOW missile program is already in progress, and all the indications are that it will continue. Saudi Arabia, the chief supplier, has pledged a “military” response to the Russian incursion, and rebel commanders say they have been assured more will arrive imminently.

Under the terms of the program, the missiles are delivered in limited quantities, and the rebel groups must return the used canisters to secure more, to avoid stockpiling or resale.

The system appears to have helped prevent the missiles from falling into extremist hands. Robert Ford, who was serving as U.S. envoy to Syria when the program got underway, said he was aware of only two TOWs obtained by the al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra, while “dozens and dozens” have been fired by moderate groups.

“Nusra made a big public display of having these two missiles,” said Ford, who is now a fellow at the Middle East Institute. Had they acquired more, he said, “they would be using them now.”

The supplies of the missiles, manufactured by Raytheon, are sourced mainly from stocks owned by the Saudi government, which purchased 13,795 of them in 2013, for expected delivery this year, according to Defense Department documents informing Congress of the sale. Because end-user agreements require that the buyer inform the United States of their ultimate destination, U.S. approval is implicit, said Shahbandar, a former Pentagon adviser.

But no decision is required from the Obama administration for the program to continue, Shahbandar said. “It doesn’t need an American green light. A yellow light is enough,” he said. “It’s a covert effort and it’s technically deniable, but that’s what proxy wars are.”

max steel wrote:Btw how many helos and fighter planes did mujis destroy with stingers?

If soviet knew CIA is waging a war against them by bringing first ever terror group in existence then why didnt they attack muricans ?

max steel wrote:Btw how many helos and fighter planes did mujis destroy with stingers?

If soviet knew CIA is waging a war against them by bringing first ever terror group in existence then why didnt they attack muricans ?

JABLEH (Sputnik) — The Syrian army has continued its ground operation in the territory captured by terrorists.

"After causing massive losses to the Islamic State organization, our troops took control over large areas," Gen. Ali Mayhoub told reporters.

A large number of terrorists is moving from Syria to the Turkish border amid the Syrian government-led army's offensive.

"Success achieved by our armed forces since the beginning of the operation, concentrated strikes from the air, as well as artillery strikes on the terrorists' control and command points are undermining their spirit. Many of them are moving to the Turkish border."

Syrian General Staff Lt.-Gen. Ali Abdullah Ayyoub said Thursday that the country's Armed Forces had launched a large-scale operation to retake occupied areas from the terrorists.

The Syrian government's forces launched the offensive after Russia’s Sukhoi Su-25, Su-24M and Su-34 attack aircraft, with the support of Su-30 jets, had commenced precision airstrikes against ISIL targets in Syria on September 30, following a request from Syrian President Bashar Assad.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, airstrikes have done considerable damage to ISIL command and logistics networks, as well as to infrastructure used to equip suicide bombers.

sepheronx wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:you have to laugh, i hate the UK press, Russia isn't even using Mig-29's in Syria, if indeed a plane has been shot down and it is a Mig-29 then it can only belong to the Syrian air force. I can't see Turkey shooting down a Russian aircraft.



http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/611157/Russia-Turkey-jet-plane-shot-down-airspace-Syria-ISIS-Islamic-State?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-news-showbiz+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+News+%2F+Showbiz+Feed%29&ref=yfp

Please, we already have gone through this.  Stop this fricking nonsense already.

No aircraft of any type was shot down.

d_taddei2 wrote:hi anyone got a good website showing an up to date map of SAA, rebel, ISIS controlled areas in Syria? and one that is fairly accurately some of the ones ive been vary a lot.

Monarchist wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:hi anyone got a good website showing an up to date map of SAA, rebel, ISIS controlled areas in Syria? and one that is fairly accurately some of the ones ive been vary a lot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cities_and_towns_during_the_Syrian_Civil_War

JohninMK wrote:US stoking the fire if true, it is CNN.

A group of US cargo aircraft airdropped overnight some 50 tons of small fire ammunition and explosives to rebels in northern Syria’s Hasakah province, CNN reported Monday citing a US official speaking on condition of anonymity.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The broadcaster claimed that this was a first step in a US effort to boost support to what the White House refers to as moderate opposition forces fighting regular Syrian troops loyal to President Bashar Assad. C-17 cargo planes dropped ammunition on 112 pallets to be retrieved by opposition fighters on the ground from a US-vetted group called by Washington the Syrian Arab Coalition.

According to the CNN, the newly-named Syrian anti-government force was first mentioned by Christine Wormuth, policy undersecretary at the US Defense Department, during Congressional testimony in September. She said the group was being trained as part of a train-and-equip mission for anti-Assad opposition factions in Syria.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151012/1028413080/us-airdrops-ammo-syrian-rebels.html#ixzz3oN3zhnGH