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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:50 pm

    UNITED NATIONS, September 29. /TASS/. Moscow and Washington agree on "some fundamental principles" for the resolution of the Syrian conflict, Secretary of State John Kerry told MSNBC TV channel on Tuesday.

    "There was agreement that Syria should be a unified country, united, that it needs to be secular, that ISIL (the Islamic State terrorist organization) needs to be taken on, and that there needs to be a managed transition," Kerry said following two rounds of talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

    Kerry said Russia and the US remain divided on the future of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin in his Monday’s address to the UN General Assembly said it was "a big mistake to refuse to cooperate with the Syrian authorities and government forces" in counter-terrorism issues while the US authorities insist that Assad should go.
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    Post  ultron Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:54 pm

    JohninMK wrote:UNITED NATIONS, September 29. /TASS/. Moscow and Washington agree on "some fundamental principles" for the resolution of the Syrian conflict, Secretary of State John Kerry told MSNBC TV channel on Tuesday.

    "There was agreement that Syria should be a unified country, united, that it needs to be secular, that ISIL (the Islamic State terrorist organization) needs to be taken on, and that there needs to be a managed transition," Kerry said following two rounds of talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

    Kerry said Russia and the US remain divided on the future of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin in his Monday’s address to the UN General Assembly said it was "a big mistake to refuse to cooperate with the Syrian authorities and government forces" in counter-terrorism issues while the US authorities insist that Assad should go.

    So Putin sells out Assad after saying only the Syrian people can determine the fate of Assad. Okay fine. Assad goes. But who replaces him? Another Alawite or a Sunni? Two Sunnis ran against Assad in last year's election but they both lost.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_presidential_election,_2014

    Assad lost the entire Idlib and a big chunk of Latakia. He is incompetent. IMO Assad should step down and be replaced by one of the VPs. But which one? Both are Sunni nevertheless.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_Syria
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:00 pm

    Are you incapable of reading? It says they are still divided on the support of Assad. Russia supports Assad. Hence why he said what he did in UN.

    Read your own article. Whatever Kerry said means jack shit you dope. Is Kerry Putin? No. I Lavrov? No. Is Putin? Yes.

    I hope the mods do their job and get rid of you again, you annoying twat.
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    Post  ultron Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:00 pm

    America says Putin says Assad must go and Syria needs transition.

    http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/wh--russia-agreed-syria-needs-transition-534252099654

    Turkey says Assad cannot be part of transition.

    http://news.yahoo.com/turkeys-davutoglu-says-no-assad-syria-transition-155954407.html

    France says Assad cannot be part of transition.

    http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_turkey-france-oppose-syrian-transition-involving-assad_400072.html
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    Post  ultron Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:03 pm

    Assad lost all of Idlib and a huge chunk of Latakia. He is incompetent. He has no more face to remain as president. He must step down and be replaced by his PM or by one of his two VPs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

    If Assad remains as president, all of Syria, including the coasts, will be lost to jihadists. The world cannot afford this. This is why, Assad the eye doctor, must go.
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    Post  Prince Darling Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:12 pm

    ultron wrote:Assad lost all of Idlib and a huge chunk of Latakia. He is incompetent. He has no more face to remain as president. He must step down and be replaced by his PM or by one of his two VPs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

    If Assad remains as president, all of Syria, including the coasts, will be lost to jihadists. The world cannot afford this. This is why, Assad the eye doctor, must go.

    huge chunk of latakia, is mountainous terrain that the rebels have held for years.

    lol

    more or less every EU leader is saying Assad can stay and he will go sometime in the future, its not Assad must go now, then we will defeat ISIS with imaginary FSA pro democracy activists
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    Post  NationalRus Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:13 pm

    ultron wrote:Assad lost all of Idlib and a huge chunk of Latakia. He is incompetent. He has no more face to remain as president. He must step down and be replaced by his PM or by one of his two VPs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

    If Assad remains as president, all of Syria, including the coasts, will be lost to jihadists. The world cannot afford this. This is why, Assad the eye doctor, must go.

    a fucking military strategist we got here

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    please go ahead tell us more about the SAA performence in 4 years against jihadist from half around the globe supported by a dozen of countrys

    in all seriousnes i readed a couple of your posts and it looks to me personaly that you are a mentaly retaded child that can only through out in to the web over simplistic one-liners
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    Post  ultron Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:22 pm

    Assad lost 80% of the country. He lost Idlib this year alone. When Maliki lost half of Iraq to ISIS, he was replaced by Abadi who is gaining over ISIS and now Iraqis have 80% of their country back. When an employee is incompetent, what happens to him? He gets fired. Assad is way past incompetent. He should have been fired a long time ago.

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    Post  Prince Darling Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:27 pm

    ultron wrote:Assad lost 80% of the country. He lost Idlib this year alone. When Maliki lost half of Iraq to ISIS, he was replaced by Abadi who is gaining over ISIS and now Iraqis have 80% of their country back. When an employee is competent, what happens to him? He gets fired? Assad is way past incompetent. He should have been fired a long time ago.

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    one square km of damascus has the same value as one square km of barren desert, i agree with your analysis.

    Iraq lost several large cities to ISIS, like +1M population Mosul
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:31 pm

    A better political map of Syria which  takes into account that most territory is desert where no-one lives.

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    Post  ultron Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:32 pm

    Prince Darling wrote:one square km of damascus has the same value as one square km of barren desert, i agree with your analysis.

    Iraq lost several large cities to ISIS, like +1M population Mosul

    It don't matter. Territory is territory. Siberia is just as Russian as is Moscow. Assad lost 80% of Syria, including half of Aleppo, Idlib. He has no right to remain president. He is incompetent. He cannot fight and is too arrogant to ask for Russian air strikes. He must go in order for Syria to be saved from jihadists.

    I'm sure Putin will come to the understanding that Assad must go. This is not about Assad. This is about Syria. Assad is incompetent, so he needs to be FIRED.

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    Post  NationalRus Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:46 pm

    are you a moron? a change of head doenst do anything, the SAA has been very effective with the equipment it has against the amount of enemys it faces, a change of a head doesnt mean shit! assad actaully rallied not onyl the alawaits but also every minority and seculars if he is gone (now) in the middle of a war the whole army can fall in to disstress chaos, power struggles would bracke the minoritys would now dezentralise and rallie around ther own local leaders breaking the power structure of the last state instituations and general command, it would be a disasster!

    at certain points with surrten equipment troop numbers doesnt mean shit anything if its also true that assad is now flooded with modern weaponary much better Intelligence information and even possible air strikes with cordination of a ground force army even 1 battalion can take out 10.000 of savages with turbans and a AK in ther hands.

    the % nummber of territory in specific situations doesnt mean shit also, it doesnt mather how much of a lifeless desert you hold, and with a good ground operation surten points of the front can be reconquered in days or even hours like the palmyra front were ther is no way to flee and no way to hide against even just a few Hinds with FLIR supported by some special forces with a tank battalion.

    stop embarrassing yourself with your verbal diarrhea you mock george patton for tramps! if you have no idea about military history, tactics the ratio and relationship of hardwere to troops in specific geographical areas with a certain flora and fauna, the rolle of a leader in a fragile state in times of war and the psychological outcomes of it on the troops and power structure.

    did you start to follow this war a week ago and missed all the devolopments of this war in the last 4 years or are you just wrtting straight out of a mental asylum??
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:48 pm

    Once again, Kerry himself said that they still disagreed with each other on future of Assad.

    Assad is doing quite well in trying to fight against the foreign funded terrorists. Now there is a reason why Russia is placung plenty of military equipment in Syria. As well, Putin needs Assad in due to his popularity in the assad controlled regions.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:51 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Once again, Kerry himself said that they still disagreed with each other on future of Assad.

    Assad is doing quite well in trying to fight against the foreign funded terrorists. Now there is a reason why Russia is placung plenty of military equipment in Syria.  As well, Putin needs Assad in due to his popularity in the assad controlled regions.

    Polls show that Assad has the support of 70% of Syrian citizens, and not surprisingly 70% of Syrian citizens believe the rebellion is a complete foreign operation.
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:54 pm

    But our Ultron (flagship victory) states Putin is abandoning Assad. But the links/details he provides not only having Putin state his support for the Syrian Authorities, but also how Kerry and Lavrov disagree with each other on future of Assad. So that is proof that Russia wants assad. Transition of power is a broad term and can be associated with turning Syria into republics like a kurd republic and what not. Doesnt mean any of the sort of overthrowing Assad.
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    Post  NationalRus Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:59 pm

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    sepheronx wrote:Are you incapable of reading? It says they are still divided on the support of Assad. Russia supports Assad. Hence why he said what he did in UN.

    Read your own article. Whatever Kerry said means jack shit you dope.  Is Kerry Putin? No. I Lavrov? No. Is Putin? Yes.

    I hope the mods do their job and get rid of you again, you annoying twat.

    Dude, that is Flagship Hsushofer, just dump him on ignore list... attack

    or this guy is mentally retarded and we must feel sorry for him or he is a troll and that would be the only accaptable thing to ban him for on this forum since all opinions are allowed here, but it looks more and more that he is a troll
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    Post  ultron Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:59 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Polls show that Assad has the support of 70% of Syrian citizens, and not surprisingly 70% of Syrian citizens believe the rebellion is a complete foreign operation.

    In 2014 election turnout was 73% and he got 88% of vote = 64% support. A majority support. But he is incompetent, so he should resign even though he has majority support.

    In 2014 jihadists left Homs as part of a deal to booster Assad's popularity ahead of election. But otherwise SAA would not have recatpured Homs from jihadists. This year Assad lost Idlib and his popularity has hit rock bottom. He won't win election again because he lost 80% of Syria to jihadists.
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    Post  NationalRus Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:04 pm

    ultron wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Polls show that Assad has the support of 70% of Syrian citizens, and not surprisingly 70% of Syrian citizens believe the rebellion is a complete foreign operation.

    In 2014 election turnout was 73% and he got 88% of vote = 64% support. A majority support. But he is incompetent, so he should resign even though he has majority support.

    start to put some FACTS AND DATE behind it, were and in what he is incompetent in, he fought the war damn effective in the face of the amount of terrorist that flooded his state while managing to maneuver his country geopoliticaly from (major) military involvment against the SAA

    so start to back up your shit with somthing SPECIFIC or by god i will turn to the mods to get you banned for trolling, you are repeating one-liners son its all you do
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    Post  Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:48 pm

    ultron wrote:Assad lost 80% of the country. He lost Idlib this year alone. When Maliki lost half of Iraq to ISIS, he was replaced by Abadi who is gaining over ISIS and now Iraqis have 80% of their country back. When an employee is incompetent, what happens to him? He gets fired. Assad is way past incompetent. He should have been fired a long time ago.

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    But the thing is, 85% of what rebels/ISIS hold is plain sand...desert, plateaus, hills... without anything of the value except occasional oil instalations. Majority of urban areas and citizens is in areas controlled by Assad.
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    Post  victor1985 Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:41 pm

    [quote="ultron"][quote="Prince Darling"]one square km of damascus has the same value as one square km of barren desert, i agree with your analysis.

    Iraq lost several large cities to ISIS, like +1M population Mosul[/quote]

    It don't matter. Territory is territory. Siberia is just as Russian as is Moscow. Assad lost 80% of Syria, including half of Aleppo, Idlib. He has no right to remain president. He is incompetent. He cannot fight and is too arrogant to ask for Russian air strikes. He must go in order for Syria to be saved from jihadists.

    I'm sure Putin will come to the understanding that Assad must go. This is not about Assad. This is about Syria. Assad is incompetent, so he needs to be FIRED.

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    what target have those air strikes?
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    Post  ultron Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:47 pm

    Losing Idlib this year means Syria is a dead end. There is no way to stop hundreds of thousands of jihadists from central Asia pouring into Latakia from Idlib via Turkey. Syria is a lost cause. Next year Latakia will be lost to jihadists and Assad will end up caught and killed by jihadists.

    Putin realizes this so he did one last effort at saber rattling in Latakia to get the west to drop sanctions on Russia or least to talk to him when he came to speak at the UN for the first time since 2005.

    After Syria the next target of jihadists is Russia. They can even go to Ukraine to launch attacks on Russia from Ukraine.
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    Post  Guest Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:38 pm

    ultron wrote:Losing Idlib this year means Syria is a dead end. There is no way to stop hundreds of thousands of jihadists from central Asia pouring into Latakia from Idlib via Turkey. Syria is a lost cause. Next year Latakia will be lost to jihadists and Assad will end up caught and killed by jihadists.

    Putin realizes this so he did one last effort at saber rattling in Latakia to get the west to drop sanctions on Russia or least to talk to him when he came to speak at the UN for the first time since 2005.

    After Syria the next target of jihadists is Russia. They can even go to Ukraine to launch attacks on Russia from Ukraine.

    Hundreds of thousands? Aint you overestimating there abit Very Happy Official numbers estimate that whole ISIS atm has between 30 and 50.000 actual fighters with amount of supporters being somewhat above 200.000... thats not... hundreds of thousands.
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    Post  Prince Darling Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:34 pm

    ultron wrote:Losing Idlib this year means Syria is a dead end. There is no way to stop hundreds of thousands of jihadists from central Asia pouring into Latakia from Idlib via Turkey. Syria is a lost cause. Next year Latakia will be lost to jihadists and Assad will end up caught and killed by jihadists.

    Putin realizes this so he did one last effort at saber rattling in Latakia to get the west to drop sanctions on Russia or least to talk to him when he came to speak at the UN for the first time since 2005.

    After Syria the next target of jihadists is Russia. They can even go to Ukraine to launch attacks on Russia from Ukraine.

    captain doffus you do realize, that various rebel groups have held the border with turkey in idlib for a few years, it didnt happen when idlib city was taken
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    Post  ultron Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:45 pm

    Militarov wrote:Hundreds of thousands? Aint you overestimating there abit Very Happy Official numbers estimate that whole ISIS atm has between 30 and 50.000 actual fighters with amount of supporters being somewhat above 200.000... thats not... hundreds of thousands.

    The problem with jihadists is every jihadist killed 10 jihadists take his place. This was why Afghanistan was such a pain for the USSR and why Russia had so much trouble in tiny Chechnya. After next year there won't be a Syria left.

    This is why Putin came to speak at UN for the first time in 10 years, because he knows there won't be a Syria after next year. He does a saber rattling in Latakia to get the west to lift sanctions on Russia.

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