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    Syrian Civil War: News #2

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:36 am

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia’s military participation in operations in the fight against the Islamic State in Syria could be discussed in a bilateral format should such a request surface, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Friday. “If there’s a request, then it would naturally be discussed and reviewed in the framework of bilateral contacts and bilateral dialogue. This is so far difficult to discuss hypothetically,” Peskov told journalists.

    Syrian Foreign Minister said Thursday that Damascus may ask Moscow to send troops to fight alongside the government forces against terrorist groups in the war-torn country if necessary.

    Moreover, Syria's envoy to the United Nations said earlier that Russia had every right to carry out airstrikes against ISIL on the country's soil.

    Syria has been mired in civil war since 2011, with the government of President Bashar Assad fighting against many opposition factions and militant groups, such as ISIL and the Nusra Front.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150918/1027179859/russia-syria-isil.html#ixzz3m56Yelu6
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:09 pm


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    US Says Ready to Negotiate With Russia, Assad on Syria

    US State Secretary John Kerry said that the US is willing to negotiate with the Syrian government to resolve the Syrian conflict without the Syrian president's removal as an apparent precondition
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    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150919/1027238781.html#ixzz3mD2CpDtl
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    Post  zg18 Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:04 pm

    Russian TV with Syrian army near Palmyra

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:29 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Suspect

    US Says Ready to Negotiate With Russia, Assad on Syria

    US State Secretary John Kerry said that the US is willing to negotiate with the Syrian government to resolve the Syrian conflict without the Syrian president's removal as an apparent precondition
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    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150919/1027238781.html#ixzz3mD2CpDtl

    First they planned a Maidan to topple Assad and push Russia out of the region... but later their lackeys are either a bunch of useless bullshit (FSA) or fight back at them (IS)... then they have to lick the foot of Russia and have no choice but support Assad...

    That is a real humiliation for Obama and Wall Street oligarchs.

    Fact is fact that the U.S. cannot support anybody outside of Assad and Russia during this war.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:06 pm

    This must be very embarrassing back in Washington

    BERLIN, September 20. /TASS/. Russia should take part in the Syrian settlement efforts, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Sunday after talks with German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier.
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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:05 am

    Islamist Militants Kill 71 Syrian Soldiers at Seized Airbase in Idlib

    Jabhat al-Nusra, the Turkestan Islamic Party and other Islamist factions executed at least 56 soldiers of the Syrian forces who were arrested in the airbase of Abo al-Dohur airbase, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR).

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The number of Syrian government soldiers executed by rebels at the Abu al-Duhur military airbase in the northwestern province of Idlib has reached 71, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reported Saturday.

    "Jabhat al-Nusra, the Turkestan Islamic Party and other Islamist factions executed at least 56 soldiers of the regime forces who were arrested in the airbase of Abo al-Dohur airbase rising the number of soldiers who have been executed since seizing the airbase to 71," the SOHR reported.

    A group of Syrian rebels supported by US politicians for their “moderate” position, and who received US military equipment, has disbanded after heavy losses.

    According to the organization, the mass murder occurred several days ago.

    On September 9, Syria lost control of Abu al-Duhur, the last regime military airbase in Idlib, which Syrian government troops had been defending from rebel forces for almost two years.

    Syria has been engulfed in civil war since 2011, with the government fighting against opposition factions and militant groups, including Islamic State and the Nusra Front.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150919/1027240260.html#ixzz3mK4z3HH5
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    Post  George1 Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:05 am

    Militants in Northwestern Syria Kill Over 100 Jihadists

    According to a source from the Fua militia, militants from the northwestern Syrian Shiite towns of Kefraya and Fua in the Idlib governorate killed more than 100 extremists within two days.

    DAMASCUS (Sputnik) – Militants from the northwestern Syrian Shiite towns of Kefraya and Fua in the Idlib governorate killed more than 100 extremists within two days, while 8,000 civilians are still surrounded in the area by jihadists, a source from the Fua militia told RIA Novosti Sunday.

    "Terrorists from Jabhat al-Nusra and Jaish al-Fatah continue to bear losses. At least 100 militants in two days were killed. The humanitarian situation in Fua and neighboring Kefraya is catastrophic," the source stated.

    Syrian extremists, including al-Qaeda-affiliated fighters, started firing rockets and mortar shells on the residential area of the two besieged Shiite-majority towns on Saturday, killing tens of civilians and wounding hundreds.

    The second attack was launched by the suicide bombers driving in mined infantry fighting vehicles and trucks.

    In response, Syria’s Air Forces launched 20 airstrikes on the Islamists’ convoys that were carrying reinforcements to the front, the source said.

    At the moment, the fighting has stopped, the terrorists had to retreat.

    Civil war started in Syria in 2011. The country's army is fighting several opposition and extremist groups, including the Nusra Front. Syria's internal conflict has claimed some 220,000 lives so far, according to UN estimates.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150920/1027261331.html#ixzz3mK55JK7c
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:44 am

    TOKYO, September 21. /TASS/. The airstrikes carried out by the US-led coalition against the positions of the Islamic State (IS) terrorist group in Syria have not produced any result, Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad has told Kyodo News in an interview. The airstrikes "were not effective and they in fact achieved nothing," Mekdad said on Sunday. The IS terrorist group "has become stronger in both Iraq and Syria under the American war against terrorism."

    The diplomat also stressed that increased cooperation with the Syrian government is indispensable in the campaign against the IS.

    Syria is using new weapons provided by Moscow and will not hesitate in requesting the deployment of Russian troops depending on future developments in the conflict, he said. "Russia is helping Syria and this is the main source of armament of our army," Mekdad said. "Russian military support does help our capacity," which will "definitely help the Syrian army advance in the struggle against terrorists," he said.

    Mekdad also added that Russian troops are not yet deployed in Syria.
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    Post  Dima Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:58 pm

    From Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA)

    Updated-Army establishes control over blocks in Daraa, kills 24 terrorists in Lattakia
    The numbers is too low, the cleansing of the international terrorists have to be accelerated in the hundred's, if not thousands.
    I'm sure just the presence of Russian military, even without any hard hitting yet now, have surely given a morale boost to all the fighting forces be it the SAA, NDF, Armenian and other volunteers and the Syrian people. a 12 month sustained campaign will bring in a very positive result.


    Syrian-Armenians Refuse to Back Down to Al-Qaeda and Sectarian Rebels in Aleppo
    http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-armenians-refuse-to-back-down-to-al-qaeda-and-sectarian-rebels-in-aleppo/

    Since the inception of the Syrian Conflict (2011-present), the Syrian-Armenian community has remained ardently loyal to the Syrian Arab Army and Syrian Government, serving on the frontlines of every major battle against the Syrian Opposition forces.

    Known as fierce fighters, many Syrian-Armenian men conscripted in the Syrian Arab Army tend to serve in the 106th Brigade of the Republican Guard – a predominately Christian contingent of the Special Forces that is predominately made-up of Syrian Armenians from Aleppo and Syrian Christians from the northern Hama city of Mhardeh.

    The Syrian Army’s Collapse in Idlib and Palmyra: Based on Strategy Not Manpower
    http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/the-syrian-armys-collapse-in-idlib-and-palmyra-based-on-strategy-not-manpower/

    ^ This is an issue...hope they rectify failures and move ahead stronger. We cant discount the US aid to the terrorists in the form of intelligence either..
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    Post  Dima Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:54 pm

    George1 wrote:Islamist Militants Kill 71 Syrian Soldiers at Seized Airbase in Idlib

    Jabhat al-Nusra, the Turkestan Islamic Party and other Islamist factions executed at least 56 soldiers of the Syrian forces who were arrested in the airbase of Abo al-Dohur airbase, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR).

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The number of Syrian government soldiers executed by rebels at the Abu al-Duhur military airbase in the northwestern province of Idlib has reached 71, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reported Saturday.

    "Jabhat al-Nusra, the Turkestan Islamic Party and other Islamist factions executed at least 56 soldiers of the regime forces who were arrested in the airbase of Abo al-Dohur airbase rising the number of soldiers who have been executed since seizing the airbase to 71," the SOHR reported.

    A group of Syrian rebels supported by US politicians for their “moderate” position, and who received US military equipment, has disbanded after heavy losses.

    According to the organization, the mass murder occurred several days ago.

    On September 9, Syria lost control of Abu al-Duhur, the last regime military airbase in Idlib, which Syrian government troops had been defending from rebel forces for almost two years.

    Syria has been engulfed in civil war since 2011, with the government fighting against opposition factions and militant groups, including Islamic State and the Nusra Front.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150919/1027240260.html#ixzz3mK4z3HH5
    This is real frustrating and sad to hear. Every single uniformed men counts and its foolish and a crime to loose so many soldiers and a base. What was the last known fight for retaking the base or rescuing these soldiers?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:40 pm

    Dima wrote:From Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA)

    Updated-Army establishes control over blocks in Daraa, kills 24 terrorists in Lattakia
    The numbers is too low, the cleansing of the international terrorists have to be accelerated in the hundred's, if not thousands.
    I'm sure just the presence of Russian military, even without any hard hitting yet now, have surely given a morale boost to all the fighting forces be it the SAA, NDF, Armenian and other volunteers and the Syrian people. a 12 month sustained campaign will bring in a very positive result.


    Syrian-Armenians Refuse to Back Down to Al-Qaeda and Sectarian Rebels in Aleppo
    http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-armenians-refuse-to-back-down-to-al-qaeda-and-sectarian-rebels-in-aleppo/

    Since the inception of the Syrian Conflict (2011-present), the Syrian-Armenian community has remained ardently loyal to the Syrian Arab Army and Syrian Government, serving on the frontlines of every major battle against the Syrian Opposition forces.

    Known as fierce fighters, many Syrian-Armenian men conscripted in the Syrian Arab Army tend to serve in the 106th Brigade of the Republican Guard – a predominately Christian contingent of the Special Forces that is predominately made-up of Syrian Armenians from Aleppo and Syrian Christians from the northern Hama city of Mhardeh.

    The Syrian Army’s Collapse in Idlib and Palmyra: Based on Strategy Not Manpower
    http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/the-syrian-armys-collapse-in-idlib-and-palmyra-based-on-strategy-not-manpower/

    ^ This is an issue...hope they rectify failures and move ahead stronger. We cant discount the US aid to the terrorists in the form of intelligence either..

    Actually the situation is far more complicated. It's not a withdrawal problem, is a manpower problem and a capability problem. The SAA cannot monitor effectively that much space and that deep. Look at the distance between Palmyra and Idlib.

    The issue is strategy, but in the other side. The strategy followed by Jaysh Al Fateh and Daesh is one of silent cooperation. You got two completely different battlefields, that are covering each other. The Syrian Army is stretched thin in capability and while JAF would advance on Idlib fighting, Daesh would move silently towards Palmyra. This, no matter how you call it is cooperation and coordination. That coordination comes from somewhere up north.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:46 pm

    Hundreds of ISIS and Al Nusra militants surrender their arms, and return to civilian life:

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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:07 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Hundreds of ISIS and Al Nusra militants surrender their arms, and return to civilian life:



    this is good to see, Russian involvement only has two influences on the enemy they will either be enraged and want to target the Russians or they will think oh crap its time to think twice and give up. and on the plus side the regime can use the weapons and ammo handed in to good use. To be honest you can't blame them wanting to give up, when you have the potential of facing Su-25 aircraft i think i would think twice. lol
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    Post  George1 Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:29 am

    Russia, US to create precedent for interaction over Syria, struggle with IS

    MOSCOW, September 21. /TASS/. Washington and Moscow are about to start the search for a joint approach to settling the Syrian crisis and the struggle against the terrorist organization calling itself the Islamic State, thereby creating a precedent for tighter interaction to advance common interests in the Middle East, the director of the Institute for US and Canada Studies under the Russian Academy of Sciences, Sergey Rogov, has told TASS in an interview.

    Over the past two weeks US Secretary of State John Kerry has had three telephone conversations with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. And last Saturday Kerry asked Russia and Iran to use their influence on Syria’s President Bashar Assad to persuade him to enter into political negotiations for a settlement of the conflict in his country. Kerry said that although the United States remained adamant Assad should step down, at the same time it was not expecting the resignation should happen overnight.

    Kerry was speaking the next day after US Secretary of Defence Ashton Carter and Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu spent nearly an hour discussing the situation in Syria by telephone.

    "It looks like despite the divergence of views within the US Administration President Barack Obama supports Secretary of State John Kerry and Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter, who tend to cooperate with Russia in the Syrian settlement and the struggle against the terrorist Islamic State. This explains the frequent contacts Kerry and Lavrov had of late, as well as Carter’s decision to break the ‘vow of silence’ which the Pentagon chief has observed since his appointment and to talk to Shoigu at last," Rogov said.

    "I believe that official statements by both sides to the effect Carter and Shoigu stated the similarity of their countries’ stances on Syria were pretty close to the reality. Alongside the agreement over the Iranian nuclear program there is emerging another precedent of tighter interaction by Moscow and Washington in advancing their common interests in the Middle East and in fighting against the common threat - the Islamic State."

    Rogov believes that the latest reports US and Russian secret services had contacts regarding joint steps that might be taken to fight against the Islamic State were mostly confined to exchanges of information about likely attacks against terrorist bases, their command centres, armed groups and munitions depots.

    "Another aspect of the latest contacts between the two countries’ secret services is the prevention of incidents that may result in casualties among advisers and military specialists as a result of ‘friendly’ fire. It is not accidental the Pentagon has started using a new term - deconflictization - in relation to possible actions by the United States and Russia in Syria. This term implies both sides will be informing each other about their current operations and plans for future steps in that country. But it is very unlikely such delicate matters will be ever discussed in public," Rogov remarked.

    "In a sense the Islamic State terrorists are a unique enemy for Washington and Moscow. It is hard to imagine a different situation where Russian and US interests would be practically the same. So the absence of any cooperation by Russia and the United States on that score could not but raise many eyebrows," he said.

    At the same time Rogov used the adjective "adamant" to describe Washington’s stubborn insistence Syria’s President Bashar Assad should be promptly removed from power. "In the meantime, Syria’s government troops remain the main obstacle to IS militants. The so-called moderate Syrian opposition has demonstrated its weakness and inability to resist Islamic terrorists. The United States’ failure to train combat-ready troops for the Syrian opposition has ended in failure, although a hefty $500,000 million has been spent on that program," Rogov recalled.

    In the current situation in Washington, he said, not only the Republicans, but many members of the Democratic Party are reluctant to vote for a resolution that would empower the president to use US troops against the Islamic State. "The US Congress surely does not want to see a rerun of 2003, when the corresponding resolution on Iraq was used by the George W. Bush’s Administration for the invasion of Iraq and its occupation. Obama himself does not look very enthusiastic about the idea the US might launch a ground operation in Syria," he recalls.

    "In this context Russia’s readiness to step up military assistance to Syria has drawn a mixed response from the United States. On the one hand, Washington fears that Russia may gain a much firmer foothold in the Middle East against the backdrop of ineffective US policies. On the other hand, the arrangement that resulted in the elimination of Syria’s chemical weapons is about to be replicated again. The Obama Administration then preferred to cooperate with Russia in eliminating these arsenals," Rogov pointed out.

    "Does that mean that the United States is withdrawing its demand for Assad’s resignation? Very unlikely. But Washington looks prepared not to push ahead with this demand for the time being. At the same time Russian officials have been hinting that support for the Syrian government at the moment does not imply Assad will certainly stay in office in the foreseeable future. Various options are possible: Assad may be replaced by some of his associates, if the issue of forming an interim government incorporating all of the Islamic State’s opponents is put on the agenda. But one should not be in a hurry to jump at such hasty conclusions for now," Rogov warned.

    "The latest shifts in Washington’s and Moscow’s policies regarding Syria indicate that Russian-US relations may get more balanced in defiance of the sanctions, and that some sort of balance of cooperation and rivalry may be established. Although at the current phase confrontational attitudes prevail, Russian-US cooperation over Syria may play a positive role, preventing a further worsening of another Cold War," Rogov believes.
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:21 pm

    The Brit still tries to be a hard boy.

    http://www.rt.com/uk/316192-russia-syria-military-talks/

    Britain has not discussed military operations in Syria against the Islamic State with Russia, UK Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said on Tuesday, adding that Moscow’s presence in the region ‘complicates’ the situation.

    Fallon made the comments to the British defense and security think tank Royal United Services Institute (RUSI).

    US and Russian defense chiefs spoke on the telephone on Friday for the first time in more than a year to discuss Moscow’s military presence in Syria.

    When asked by RUSI if the UK had also spoken with Russia, Fallon denied any communication had taken place between London and Moscow.

    “We have not discussed military operations against ISIL [Islamic State, IS/ISIS] in Syria with the Russians,” Fallon said.

    “The Russian action in the last few weeks of putting ships and aircraft into the region obviously further complicates an immensely complex situation.”

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:08 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:The Brit still tries to be a hard boy.

    http://www.rt.com/uk/316192-russia-syria-military-talks/

    Britain has not discussed military operations in Syria against the Islamic State with Russia, UK Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said on Tuesday, adding that Moscow’s presence in the region ‘complicates’ the situation.

    Fallon made the comments to the British defense and security think tank Royal United Services Institute (RUSI).

    US and Russian defense chiefs spoke on the telephone on Friday for the first time in more than a year to discuss Moscow’s military presence in Syria.

    When asked by RUSI if the UK had also spoken with Russia, Fallon denied any communication had taken place between London and Moscow.

    “We have not discussed military operations against ISIL [Islamic State, IS/ISIS] in Syria with the Russians,” Fallon said.

    “The Russian action in the last few weeks of putting ships and aircraft into the region obviously further complicates an immensely complex situation.”

    Fallon is in the alternative universe that still has the UK in a position where it's voice matters. Why on earth would Moscow and Washington even take a phone call? It really is about time that we started to play the role that our size and reduced power dictates. We are a bit like the small bloke we all know with puffed up hair, a loud voice and built up shoes. A few Tornados and Typhoons attacking 'ISIS' over Iraq out of Cyprus doesn't impress anyone, including from the rumours of of their effectiveness, ISIS.
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    Post  Solncepek Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:03 pm

    Who cares anymore about these british retards ???
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:24 pm

    Solncepek wrote:Who cares anymore about these british retards ???

    Well how about not posting blatantly offensive comments, for a start.

    Wouldn't feel very nice if someone said 'who cares anymore about these russian retards'.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:40 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Solncepek wrote:Who cares anymore about these british retards ???

    Well how about not posting blatantly offensive comments, for a start.

    Wouldn't feel very nice if someone said 'who cares anymore about these russian retards'.
    Quite, we are not retards, afterall many of the world's TPTB are here, but that we have a disillusional Government is for certain.

    Still no Russian comments on the Israeli team visit to Moscow.
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:46 am

    Now that explains why there is still only 4 or 5 US-trained Syrian are still fighting Laughing

    http://www.rt.com/news/316247-us-syrian-rebels-surrender-nusra/

    Around 70 US-trained Syrian rebel fighters allegedly surrendered a weapons stockpile to the extremist Jabhat al-Nusra group after crossing the Turkish border. There have been conflicting reports as to whether the recruits betrayed the US or were captured.

    The Telegraph cited sources claiming that the “moderate” rebel group, known as Division 30, had surrendered their weapons to the Al-Qaeda affiliated fighters in Syria.

    The British newspaper quoted a Twitter statement from a man claiming to be a member of Jabhat al-Nusra named Abu Fahd al-Tunisi: “A strong slap for America... the new group from Division 30 that entered yesterday hands over all of its weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra after being granted safe passage.”

    “They handed over a very large amount of ammunition and medium weaponry and a number of pick-ups,” he wrote.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:01 pm

    Moscow twisting the knife again. Look to be trying to prep the ground prior to perhaps showing how it should be done!

    The existing coalition does not effectively attack ISIL terrorists despite being informed of their locations, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The coalition against the Islamic State is ineffective and looks more like a demonstration, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Wednesday. "Unfortunately, we continue to see within the frameworks of the coalition, which has the stated goal of fighting against the IS, that this fight is not real or full-fledged. Even when knowing where the insurgents are and getting information on their locations and movements, strikes are not made against them. We have this information," Zakharova said. "It seems to me that the question of this flirtation that there are good terrorists and bad terrorists, or a moderate and unmanageable opposition, this logic has been fully exhausted," Zakharova added.

    A US-led international coalition has been conducting airstrikes against ISIL positions in Syria and Iraq since 2014. Russia has criticized the coalition for not initially seeking the approval of the UN Security Council or Damascus prior to the start of the bombing.

    Moscow has been urging the US-led coalition to ally itself with the Syrian government in its fight against the violent extremists.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150923/1027384591.html#ixzz3mZARvBvm
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:06 pm

    Given this 'we are friends' how does Turkey play their support for ISIS now that Russia is building up its stuff in Syria? What with the Israeli team on Monday, Turks today and the UN in a few days, busy times for Russian diplomacy. They must be twitching a bit in Washington at not being involved in what could be crucial discussions.

    Turkey hopes to boost trade turnover with Russia to $100 billion over eight years, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Wednesday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The Turkish leader noted positive progress in his country’s trade with Russia despite global economic turbulence. Trade between Turkey and Russia was estimated to be over $30 billion at the end of 2014.

    "Our goal is to reach $100 billion. That is the level we hope to attain by 2023," Erdogan said during a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, where he attended the grand opening ceremony of one of Europe’s largest mosques earlier in the day. Erdogan noted Ankara’s bilateral relations with Moscow and thanked Putin for promoting Muslim culture in Russia, where Muslims are the largest religious minority.


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    Post  mutantsushi Wed Sep 23, 2015 10:24 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:Hundreds of ISIS and Al Nusra militants surrender their arms, and return to civilian life:
    this is good to see, Russian involvement only has two influences on the enemy they will either be enraged and want to target the Russians or they will think oh crap its time to think twice and give up.
    No doubt, and it further destroys the NATO narrative for the conflict...
    I heard a US state media broadcast that casually tossed around the idea that Syrian refugees won't be able to return for at least a decade, or basically, never.  
    Well, if the Afghanistan-in-Core-of-Middle-East plan continued, sure.
    But if the Syrian gov is reinforced with air+ground support, and NATO/GCC support dries up in face of Russian ultimatum to escalate or give up, then Syrian gov should be able to win within 2 years.
    (Turkey can hardly pretend to confront Russia head on when it is dependent on Russia for 50%+ of gas/energy needs)
    Atop fact even BBC polling shows popular support for FSA/Nusra/ISIS is much less than government and small enough that democratic majority can be formed while ignoring that extremist fringe,
    (with a small anti-"rebel" majority even possible or at least conceivable solely within Sunni demographic IMHO)
    the government amnesties to armed rebels (and ongoing payment of salaries and other services within "rebel" areas) shows the government can offer an acceptable peace to these people.
    I.e. there is no reason to think that the government cannot achieve peace acceptable enough to live under without undue persecution, even for "rebel supporters".
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:55 am

    Really don't understand Turkey on this one... Assad might not be a mate, but his shared interest in retaining territory would at least deal with PKK attempts to create kurdistan which would include much of Syria, northern iraq, turkey and iran.

    the alternative is a bunch of nutters who want the entire region (ie ISIS) or al quada/saudi backed sunni nutters that like hard core sharia law muslim states that like to party like it is 1699... how long before they think that turkey is a bit too liberal and try to convert it to the 15th century way of doing things?

    the result is that turkey is trying to ensure Syria remains a sht hole where terror groups of all types will thrive.

    Ahh well... traditional allies are a bitch...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:03 am

    GarryB wrote:Really don't understand Turkey on this one... Assad might not be a mate, but his shared interest in retaining territory would at least deal with PKK attempts to create kurdistan which would include much of Syria, northern iraq, turkey and iran.

    the alternative is a bunch of nutters who want the entire region (ie ISIS) or al quada/saudi backed sunni nutters that like hard core sharia law muslim states that like to party like it is 1699... how long before they think that turkey is a bit too liberal and try to convert it to the 15th century way of doing things?

    the result is that turkey is trying to ensure Syria remains a sht hole where terror groups of all types will thrive.

    Ahh well... traditional allies are a bitch...

    It's time we give the Grey Wolf Turks a taste of their own medicine. Support the PKK, and Kurdish separatists to cause a civil war in Turkey, and carve out a Kurdish State in Turkey...yeah let's just take a page out of Turkish books!Razz Twisted Evil

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